Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[harem.king]

In some EU countries the system is different
College -> middle school (11-15)
Lyceum -> high school (15-18)

And if I remember University is an all around term for post-secondary. Everything is university apart from some being called "school of ____" which is usually reserved for art degrees and whatnot.

when I asked what country, it was because I was trying to figure out if it was english or not.
AFAIK post brexit there are no longer english speaking countries in the EU.
So, I am still wondering what language uses "college" for middle school.

some quick checks on common languages shows that in french "collège" is listed as the translation for middle school. and "université" is listed as the translation for college.
but... this is just different languages using similar sounding words to have different meanings

 

[EthanB86]

when I asked what country, it was because I was trying to figure out if it was english or not.
AFAIK post brexit there are no longer english speaking countries in the EU.
So, I am still wondering what language uses "college" for middle school.

some quick checks on common languages shows that in french "collège" is listed as the translation for middle school. and "université" is listed as the translation for college.
but... this is just different languages using similar sounding words to have different meanings

people dont suddenly stop speaking/teaching/learning english just because of brexit lol

 

[FinalZero]

finiah save game i see the quest of art teacher is stuck like that no going i think it end.

 

[harem.king]

people dont suddenly stop speaking/teaching/learning english just because of brexit lol

Learning it as a foreign language in school, and having it as your country's main language, are two completely different things.
In france they speak french, everything is in french. English is used only for interacting with tourists

 

[Count Morado]

when I asked what country, it was because I was trying to figure out if it was english or not.
AFAIK post brexit there are no longer english speaking countries in the EU.
So, I am still wondering what language uses "college" for middle school.

some quick checks on common languages shows that in french "collège" is listed as the translation for middle school. and "université" is listed as the translation for college.
but... this is just different languages using similar sounding words to have different meanings

Might as well add to this off-topic excursion:

Both Ireland and Malta are members of the EU and list English as an official language of their countries. (edit: 98% and 88% fluency)

Yes, your finding of "collège" is apt - and your excuse about different languages using homonyms for different meanings is not - at least not in this case. Because, if you had continued your research, you would have found that the English word is a descendent of the French word around the 14th century which comes directly from the Latin "collegium."

Also, in the mid-nineteenth century, Brits started using the term "college" in the naming of large public schools and institutions of secondary education (particularly private schools) --- as seen with King's College School, Magdalen College School, Cardiff Sixth Form College, Queen Ethelburga's College, and more.

 

[harem.king]

Yes, your finding of "collège" is apt - and your excuse about different languages using homonyms for different meanings is not - at least not in this case. Because, if you had continued your research, you would have found that the English word is a descendent of the French word around the 14th century which comes directly from the Latin "collegium."

Being descended from latin is irrelevant.
Right now those are different words in different languages with different definitions.

The original argument (which I am arguing against) is that the game, in its english version, uses the word "college". And that this word can also mean middle school.
However, this word is used in an english sentence. Meaning it is using the english word and thus the english definition.
Not the latin word, not the french word, not the german word, nor any other latin based language.

In fact, borrowing words and then altering them is the most common reason for having homonyms in different languages with different definitions.
Because those are different languages

I was trying to investigate if there really exists an ENGLISH dialect where people use the ENGLISH word college in an ENGLISH sentence to indicate a middle school.
So far all I found is that in french they use a very similar (but not exactly the same, there is an epee symbol) to indicate a middle school. but you wouldn't expect such a random placement of french word within an english sentence in an english game. and as such there is no ambiguity about what this game means by the term college. (it means place where adults go to learn after graduating from K12 education)

 

[EthanB86]

Learning it as a foreign language in school, and having it as your country's main language, are two completely different things.
In france they speak french, everything is in french. English is used only for interacting with tourists

im not saying that the main language isnt whatever is native to that country, im simply saying that the presence of foreign language (english in this scenario) doesnt suddenly cease to exist because of politics, millions of europeans speak english at least to some degree and that will have a knock-on effect in wider society and culture, many languages have changed in the last 100 or so years to become more anglicised, adopting english words or english-sounding words in place of the "correct" words. much of my family is native italian and they do this. its not like these algicided words will suddenly revert back to the correct native terms now that brexit has happened, they have simply embedded themselves within the country's (or local area's) vernacular and culture, its simply just part of life in a globalised world and a world with heavy american and english influence.

 

[harem.king]

im not saying that the main language isnt whatever is native to that country, im simply saying that the presence of foreign language (english in this scenario) doesnt suddenly cease to exist because of politics, millions of europeans speak english at least to some degree and that will have a knock-on effect in wider society and culture, many languages have changed in the last 100 or so years to become more anglicised, adopting english words or english-sounding words in place of the "correct" words. much of my family is native italian and they do this. its not like these algicided words will suddenly revert back to the correct native terms now that brexit has happened, they have simply embedded themselves within the country's (or local area's) vernacular and culture, its simply just part of life in a globalised world and a world with heavy american and english influence.

Languages change from exposure to each other. Yes.
But I explain the point I was getting to here:

Being descended from latin is irrelevant.
Right now those are different words in different languages with different definitions.

The original argument (which I am arguing against) is that the game, in its english version, uses the word "college". And that this word can also mean middle school.
However, this word is used in an english sentence. Meaning it is using the english word and thus the english definition.
Not the latin word, not the french word, not the german word, nor any other latin based language.

In fact, borrowing words and then altering them is the most common reason for having homonyms in different languages with different definitions.
Because those are different languages

I was trying to investigate if there really exists an ENGLISH dialect where people use the ENGLISH word college in an ENGLISH sentence to indicate a middle school.
So far all I found is that in french they use a very similar (but not exactly the same, there is an epee symbol) to indicate a middle school. but you wouldn't expect such a random placement of french word within an english sentence in an english game. and as such there is no ambiguity about what this game means by the term college. (it means place where adults go to learn after graduating from K12 education)

 

[EthanB86]

In fact, borrowing words and then altering them is the most common reason for having homonyms in different languages with different definitions.
Because those are different languages

this is the reason half of the english language has words which seem similar to french or germanic languages. because english is LITERALLY the result of those languages (and some others) slowly integrating with one another over millenia. for example the words for "cow" and "beef" are different because the poor workers in the 12th century who looked after the cows called them cows but the rich french aristocrats who had just invaded the country called the meat "boeuf" which eventually got simplified to "beef", whereas most other languages call the meat and the animal of original the same thing or something similar to one another (if im remembering correctly)

 

[harem.king]

this is the reason half of the english language has words which seem similar to french or germanic languages. because english is LITERALLY the result of those languages (and some others) slowly integrating with one another over millenia. for example the words for "cow" and "beef" are different because the poor workers in the 12th century who looked after the cows called them cows but the rich french aristocrats who had just invaded the country called the meat "boeuf" which eventually got simplified to "beef", whereas most other languages call the meat and the animal of original the same thing or something similar to one another (if im remembering correctly)

interesting. I do enjoy a good etymology factoid.

 

[EthanB86]

I was trying to investigate if there really exists an ENGLISH dialect where people use the ENGLISH word college in an ENGLISH sentence to indicate a middle school.

as for the answer to this, as a native english speaker living in england i have never heard of this happening though it wouldnt surprise me if somewhere people did call middle school "college". but generally the school system is described as:
"primary school" - ages 5 -> 11
"secondary school" (sometimes "high school") - ages 11 -> 16
and then you go onto EITHER:
"sixth form" (just 2 additional years of high school with different qualifications at the end)
OR:
"college" (same additional 2 years but standalone i.e. no high school on within the same campus/teaching environment etc, and "sixth form" equivalent qualifications at the end

(sixth form and college are equivalent to one another, just different environments. sixth form is more like high school, college is kind of half way between high school and university)

THEN:
"university" where you get undergraduate degrees and above so usually 18+

but there are THOUSANDS of dialects and subtle differences across the country so i wouldnt be surprised at all if the names vary to literally anything across the different parts of the country

 

[Count Morado]

The original argument (which I am arguing against) is that the game, in its english version, uses the word "college". And that this word can also mean middle school.

That was NOT the original argument. You jumped in mid-argument without knowing the terms of engagement. It has NOTHING to do with the term used in the game nor does the person who started the topic appear to have English as their first language - and thus could be using the cognate of the word in their first language, thinking it means exactly the same (whether it does or not have the same exact definition or is meaning a different level of education than what you are arguing).

This was the original argument:




And after this is where you jumped in:

Based upon Sir Anal's conversations, it appears that they may be Flemish, French, or Algerian.

Again, it has nothing to do with the game, hence why I have mentioned before this is an off-topic conversation. And does directly appear to have everything to do with someone (or more than one) who do not have English as their first language.

 

[EthanB86]

That was NOT the original argument. You jumped in mid-argument without knowing the terms of engagement. It has NOTHING to do with the term used in the game nor does the person who started the topic appear to have English as their first language - and thus could be using the cognate of the word in their first language, thinking it means exactly the same (whether it does or not have the same exact definition or is meaning a different level of education than what you are arguing).

This was the original argument:
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And after this is where you jumped in:
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Based upon Sir Anal's conversations, it appears that they may be Flemish, French, or Algerian.

Again, it has nothing to do with the game, hence why I have mentioned before this is an off-topic conversation. And does directly appear to have everything to do with someone (or more than one) who do not have English as their first language.

if in england it is perfectly reasonable to be 16 and in college, thats the normal age of starting college (at least for what "college" normally refers to)

 

[Count Morado]

if in england it is perfectly reasonable to be 16 and in college, thats the normal age of starting college (at least for what "college" normally refers to)

I wasn't doubting their narrative. I was simply recounting the conversation as it stood.

 

[EthanB86]

I wasn't doubting them or their story. I was simply recounting the conversation as it stood.

(yes i thought so i was just clarifying as a TLDR for anyone interested and/or confused)

 

[Glorious Cat]

Here's the clip (I decided to pull it from the VOD when I read your post). Note his vision of 100, 200, 300 total characters in the game. There is no plan to end the development of this game at any foreseeable time.

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I included captions (ai created) for those who can read and kept the audio available for those who cannot (low res because of 10MB limit for attachments on F95, also audio is a bit muddied).

The new phone UI he's come up with looks really nice.

On the same stream, he replied to someone who asked about Debbie's art, saying that she was one of the oldest with 2-frame animation and that this would eventually change, he said "one thing at a time".
Shortly afterwards, he replied to someone who asked what was requested more, Debbie's pregnancy or the Odette/Grace threesome? Without hesitating, he said "Debbie's pregnancy, for sure". The Odette/Grace threesome is asked about once a month, while Debbie's is asked almost every day.

Dude, if people keep asking for Debbie that much, update her art!

 

[Maizemallard]

I got no problem if the dev wants to add 300 characters to the game and shows the Mc full life actually sounds pretty rad, just no more useless tech updates that take years to Implement and require A complete do over, Other than that add as Much content you want. I dont think anyone would get mad if the Dev kept making new stories and characters, people would love that honestly lol. I think peope are just frustrated at how long the tech update took and the pay off being subpar, along with the missing feature. Did not make the best impression. Still I hope for the best, Even people that are mad dont want this game to actually fail, because at the end of the day people do like summertime saga

 

[MisterMeh]

Here's the clip (I decided to pull it from the VOD when I read your post). Note his vision of 100, 200, 300 total characters in the game. There is no plan to end the development of this game at any foreseeable time.

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I included captions (ai created) for those who can read and kept the audio available for those who cannot (low res because of 10MB limit for attachments on F95, also audio is a bit muddied).

This clip is a great example of how his development process is always in flux.

By his own admission, he's not even on the same page as the others working with him, and you've shown several examples of areas he wants to change or update, even admitting he hasn't finalized how he'd like to implement them.

I honestly see him continuing to jump back and forth on pretty much every aspect of the process, trying to find what he envisions is the ideal set up.

 

[l4a2456]

Playing this game I prefer the content is not detailed

 

[mattius77]

this is the reason half of the english language has words which seem similar to french or germanic languages. because english is LITERALLY the result of those languages (and some others) slowly integrating with one another over millenia. for example the words for "cow" and "beef" are different because the poor workers in the 12th century who looked after the cows called them cows but the rich french aristocrats who had just invaded the country called the meat "boeuf" which eventually got simplified to "beef", whereas most other languages call the meat and the animal of original the same thing or something similar to one another (if im remembering correctly)

If memory serves this is also the origin of doublets in English common law traditions. Will and testament.. breaking and entering..assault and battery..free and clear..part and parcel..the first word in the pair derives from French (the language of the ruling monarchs), and the second from English (the language of common hooligans). Decrees and proclamations and such would include both so that the aristocracy and peasantry alike could comprehend.