Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[neub1i]

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well that was something i knew before it was explained... but thanks i guess. every landlady, stepson game is built this way to be modified with a simple wincest patch that has a cute code line in there basically saying: if name = "landlady" {name.change("mom")}"
or something of that sorts.

 

[MisterMeh]

I really hope this is getting blown out of proportion.

He hasn't needed to change the current fauxcest (largely just replacing "mom" with "landlady" and the like) for years. Why screw it up now?

We've got several games out there where the "fan made" mods aren't exactly "fan made", and then we've DC jamming a screwdriver into the story for reasons I don't get. Bummer.

Can you, or someone else please explain why the whole incest thing is so appealing and apparently required for people to enjoy the game? I genuinely don't understand it.

 

[Angora Kitty]

well that was something i knew before it was explained... but thanks i guess. every landlady, stepson game is built this way to be modified with a simple wincest patch that has a cute code line in there basically saying: if name = "landlady" {name.change("mom")}"
or something of that sorts.

There is a relation-tweak for v.0.21. It allows to change the relations manually ingame and it works very well.

 

[j4yj4m]

Can you, or someone else please explain why the whole incest thing is so appealing and apparently required for people to enjoy the game? I genuinely don't understand it.

The incest community has always been very vocal. Given that the game did well even after DC removed the incest - even though quite a few people over here said nobody would play it anymore - I kinda doubt that the vast majority of players really cares.

As to why people like it? Well, it's just a fetish among many...

 

[Aryavajra]

they are turning her from a landlady in name only to just a generic landlady that were trying to work around for years.

Well that's... by far less interesting. I swear every time I look into how this update is going, I only end up hearing something that makes me want to play this less and less.

I guess I'm glad I stopped donating ages ago...

 

[dasmoon874]

Well that's... by far less interesting. I swear every time I look into how this update is going, I only end up hearing something that makes me want to play this less and less.

I guess I'm glad I stopped donating ages ago...

If there is any silver lining here is that we're only getting a slice of Debbies story so people will know if the appeal of her character is getting gutted and hopefully they take the backlash into account on the next update.

 

[Aryavajra]

If there is any silver lining here is that we're only getting a slice of Debbies story so people will know if the appeal of her character is getting gutted and hopefully they take the backlash into account on the next update.

Frankly I'm not sure how they could salvage this, if this really is the direction DC is going. It was fine when Debbie was the "landlady", Jenny was a 'fellow tenant', etc, and we could just use mods to get around it and get back to the original relationships; since, lets be real, that was what drew a lot of us in and kept us around.

But if everybody really are going to be story-locked into just being permanently disjointed acquaintances, then it's hard to take it as anything less than a slap in the face to those of us who have stuck beside DC through everything these past few years.

 

[Zugasan]

Yes, 21.0.0.5091 is the latest version. But the older version 0.20.16 has a lot more content.

The creator is currently working on the "Tech Update" which is a complete overhaul of the game.
That revision began over two years ago!

The creator "DarkCookie" is known for his slow work but no one expected it to take this long.
The "Tech Update" is far from finished and will be released bit by bit.
It will take months until the full scope is reached again and real new content will come.

After the "Tech Update" is finished new content for Rhonda, Annie and Judith is planed.
But we will all be old and gray before we see any of it.

Is the older version 0.20.16 story is finished and getting rework now in the tech update or it just has more content?

 

[dragomon]

alguien tiene los juegos con el truco

 

[Count Morado]

I mostly agree with what youre saying but from what Stray was saying, the depravity of Debbies story was axed. Essentially he said that in Debbies original story if you tried to get too far along with her Debbie she would try to stop it before they went further and then start up again to hit the next goal post. Essentially how her story is now incest or no. It sounds like in the new version Debbie gives in a lot easier and doesnt try to push the goal post back of where their relationship is. And I agree with Stray that sounds like a downgrade.

This is not what this conversation in the video is about. It has nothing to do with incest or not. It's about how they are handling Debbie's reluctance in the rework. It has nothing to do with what you are implying. You've overblown this. They are simply talking about how the procession of Debbie's reluctance slowly dissipating as Anon and Debbie moves forward in their sexual activities.

People should listen for themselves:

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Frankly I'm not sure how they could salvage this, if this really is the direction DC is going. It was fine when Debbie was the "landlady", Jenny was a 'fellow tenant', etc, and we could just use mods to get around it and get back to the original relationships; since, lets be real, that was what drew a lot of us in and kept us around.

But if everybody really are going to be story-locked into just being permanently disjointed acquaintances, then it's hard to take it as anything less than a slap in the face to those of us who have stuck beside DC through everything these past few years.

You are completely overreacting.

The same mods will still do what you want them to do with relationships.

Complaining about miniscule differences between "landlady" and landlady are Henny Penny/Chicken Little hyberbole.

There is nothing said in that video that changes ANYTHING that has been happening for the past 6+ years since the initial change of relationships. Absolutely nothing. Ya'all are being ridiculous.

For those wondering what was said, it's quite clear. And it's been their position since 2018. Listen:

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[josh963]

You are completely overreacting.

The same mods will still do what you want them to do with relationships.

Complaining about miniscule differences between "landlady" and landlady are Henny Penny/Chicken Little hyberbole.

There is nothing said in that video that changes ANYTHING that has been happening for the past 6+ years since the initial change of relationships. Absolutely nothing. Ya'all are being ridiculous.

For those wondering what was said, it's quite clear. And it's been their position since 2018. Listen:

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So… according to the video, Debbie’s route won t be fully done by the end of this month? (English is not my main language)

 

[Count Morado]

So… according to the video, Debbie’s route won t be fully done by the end of this month? (English is not my main language)

No, according to the 2nd video in my post - they specifically state that whatever they have done for Debbie's rework will be put into November's update, but it will not be completed. StrayError states that it "probably doesn't include a whole bunch of loose ends right now." There will be some in November's - but not a significant amount.

They have stated several times in the past 2+ months that Debbie's rework will take more than one update. They really didn't kick it up on the rework until after they had put September's update to bed.

 

[dasmoon874]

This is not what this conversation in the video is about. It has nothing to do with relationships. It's about how they are handling Debbie's reluctance in the rework. It has nothing to do with what you are implying. You've overblown this. They are simply talking about how the procession of Debbie's reluctance slowly dissipating as Anon and Debbie moves forward in their sexual activities.

Depending how the lust angle that Stray describes here plays out it definitely will affect the relationship of the characters. If Debbie doesnt care about the consequences of her 'tenant' cumming inside her all the time like her current iteration then that will make her more like a landlady regardless if they are mentioning the relationships or not in that clip. Im not sure how this will all play out in the end and I hope im wrong but the new approach isnt sounding better.

 

[Count Morado]

Depending how the lust angle that Stray describes here plays out it definitely will affect the relationship of the characters. If Debbie doesnt care about the consequences of her 'tenant' cumming inside her all the time like her current iteration then that will make her more like a landlady regardless if they are mentioning the relationships or not in that clip. Im not sure how this will all play out in the end and I hope im wrong but the new approach isnt sounding better.

You are wrong.

Dude, Sploosh and DC remind StrayError in the video - that people can already replay scenes in the old version. That's all that is being discussed about the rework, besides that some of the scenes may get moved around on when they occur. Stray didn't like that players can repeat in-game the replays with Debbie on sex scenes that already happened in the old version and he doesn't like the idea that they will be able to do it in the rework.

Nothing has changed in that aspect.

Your comment about "if Debbie doesn't care about the consequences of her 'tenant' cumming inside her" does not apply. DC and Sploosh state she will still have reluctance and guilt as Anon and her sexual activities progress ... just like now. And just like now, if players want to replay those scenes, they can. Stray doesn't think that players should have the ability to replay those scenes simply because they've 'unlocked' the scene. But Stray is the coder, not the lead developer. The story and vision for the game is DC's and Sploosh's (though, Sploosh does mention the lust variable that sounds like they may want to have some activities not available for replay unless a person's lust is elevated enough - but sounds like Stray hasn't figured out the code for that yet).

And, as they state in the 2nd video I posted - they aren't changing anything about Debbie's relationship with Anon. Keeping it so that should they ever stop promoting the game on Patreon, they have been writing everything so that making a switch in relationships (to the way you would desire) is simple and easy.

If what you are thinking they are saying were true, then it would make their job much harder down the line to make that switch.

You're overreacting.

In v0.20.16 - does Debbie show reluctance? Yes
In v21.0.0 - does/will Debbie show reluctance? Yes

In v0.20.16 - can players replay in-game Debbie various sex scenes after they have done it once? Yes
In v21.0.0 - can/could players replay in-game Debbie various sex scenes after they have done it once? Yes

 

[brianzzz]

why i just can play the preview?

 

[txe320]

why i just can play the preview?

Because that's all of it for now.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

You are wrong.

Dude, Sploosh and DC remind StrayError in the video - that people can already replay scenes in the old version. That's all that is being discussed about the rework, besides that some of the scenes may get moved around on when they occur. Stray didn't like that players can repeat in-game the replays with Debbie on sex scenes that already happened in the old version and he doesn't like the idea that they will be able to do it in the rework.

Nothing has changed in that aspect.

Your comment about "if Debbie doesn't care about the consequences of her 'tenant' cumming inside her" does not apply. DC and Sploosh state she will still have reluctance and guilt as Anon and her sexual activities progress ... just like now. And just like now, if players want to replay those scenes, they can. Stray doesn't think that players should have the ability to replay those scenes simply because they've 'unlocked' the scene. But Stray is the coder, not the lead developer. The story and vision for the game is DC's and Sploosh's (though, Sploosh does mention the lust variable that sounds like they may want to have some activities not available for replay unless a person's lust is elevated enough - but sounds like Stray hasn't figured out the code for that yet).

And, as they state in the 2nd video I posted - they aren't changing anything about Debbie's relationship with Anon. Keeping it so that should they ever stop promoting the game on Patreon, they have been writing everything so that making a switch in relationships (to the way you would desire) is simple and easy.

If what you are thinking they are saying were true, then it would make their job much harder down the line to make that switch.

You're overreacting.

In v0.20.16 - does Debbie show reluctance? Yes
In v21.0.0 - does/will Debbie show reluctance? Yes

In v0.20.16 - can players replay in-game Debbie various sex scenes after they have done it once? Yes
In v21.0.0 - can/could players replay in-game Debbie various sex scenes after they have done it once? Yes

Lol, what the fuck. So Stray would rather have it be one and done like in a non-sandbox VN. Well, anything to make his workload easier, I bet.

 

[Ataman87]

Ok so fine they will work around Debbie not being the mc's mom . But what will they do about the sex with her twin sister (change her appearance) ? This game was obviously conceived with incest in mid - between the mc and his sister (who look alike and Jenny looks like her mother ) , mother (Debbie) , aunt and group combination between them. Eric and his mom too had obvious incest taboo with the mc discovering their relation . But now finally the dev is addressing the elephant in the room. I bet he will make sure incest is removed and even mods wont be able to restore it (no with a simple conversation patch anyway). This game is falling more and more in my eyes with each passing update. Well at least we have the old pre tech updated. All i want is some modder to add a Debbie Janny mc treesome for the end game and im all set.

 

[Count Morado]

I bet he will make sure incest is removed and even mods wont be able to restore it (no with a simple conversation patch anyway).

First, ever since 2018 - Anon has not been related to Diane, Debbie, or Jenny. Ever since 2018, Diane and Debbie has not been related. Ever since 2018, Eric and Tammy Johnson have not been related. From 2018 to 2021, Debbie and Jenny were not related. In 2021, they restored the relationship of Debbie and Jenny to mother and daughter. Why is this worry about relationships coming up all of a sudden after 6 years of it being one way?

Second, this was addressed in the second video that I posted earlier. They are specifically writing the script in such a way to keep the possibility of reverting the relationships should they stop promoting the game on Patreon.

They do not have the intent (explicit or implicit) to make mods not work (they don't even have that ability).

They are continuing to write the script for a "quick and easy" way to revert all relationships in the future, should they decide to if at some point they step away from Patreon for promoting the game. That's nearly the exact opposite that your tinfoil conspiracy theory is fomenting.

Ya'all need to take a chill pill and stop screaming that the sky is falling.

 

[rivers77]

The incest community has always been very vocal. Given that the game did well even after DC removed the incest - even though quite a few people over here said nobody would play it anymore - I kinda doubt that the vast majority of players really cares.

As to why people like it? Well, it's just a fetish among many...

I was a patron when the switch happened and I was very disappointed, but I understood the reasoning and couldn't fault them. It was assured, at that time, that you'd essentially continue to see poor writing with regard to the home stories and I've been happy it's continued to be the case. Nothing adds up in the story unless it involves incest. I've always appreciated the ability to read between the lines and that modders can easily make the switch back. I used to sloppily hack into the game and re-write much of the dialogue with the .20 version and prior.

I knew with the Roxxy update that the fan base had made a major shift. The Roxxy update was a home run. To be fair, the guys over there could do a complete re-write, change the art, and make the land lady thing work and it not miss a beat. I think they might lose some money, but I don't think it would be enough to make a real difference. It's probably the one thing that could get me to let the game go completely. However, I agree with the Count, I don't believe this is going to happen. I think people are making a mountain out of an ant hill.