Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6011] [Kompas Productions]

[enfuego]

Honestly, this recent post is… interesting to say the least. There’s definitely feels like a reaction to DC noticing his number are dropping, due to a simple lack of progress for months, and no small number of patrons getting tired of it, and deciding to drop it, and simply wait for it to come out.

We have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes, but we can all agree, whether we are defenders or not, that this is simply taking too long, and even if it’s not, it feels to more than a few deliberately drawn out and they’re starting to speak with their wallets.

The monthly updates , kind of come off like a stopgap solution, rather than something good for the game. At this point, I think some people would just prefer if we just dropped the entire tech update. And moved onto the update’s behind it,

Simply, because even when the wait is over, and it’s finally out, it’s probably not even gonna be worth it in plenty of people’s eyes. It has taken frankly way too long and I think all of us can agree with that. DC needs to do more otherwise the number will just keep dropping.

Honestly, I was just catching up and I saw the whole pregnancy system discussion on the last page and I gotta say: This game (like a lot of the Patreon games here) has a massive scope creep problem. All this game needed to be was a "dating" sim with a bunch of school girls (and the three incest options) that culminated with the player picking an ending in who they take to prom, that's it. The mafia plotline didn't even need it's own cg, patrons did not care about it that much.

There's a version of this game that could have been much more streamlined with things like the monstergirls and pregnancy system being "DLC" after the game was done.

 

[sirviper235]

Honestly, I was just catching up and I saw the whole pregnancy system discussion on the last page and I gotta say: This game (like a lot of the Patreon games here) has a massive scope creep problem. All this game needed to be was a "dating" sim with a bunch of school girls (and the three incest options) that culminated with the player picking an ending in who they take to prom, that's it. The mafia plotline didn't even need it's own cg, patrons did not care about it that much.

There's a version of this game that could have been much more streamlined with things like the monstergirls and pregnancy system being "DLC" after the game was done.

honestly, I agree. Pretty much everyone especially agreed on the main story. Nobody really like it that much and it really shouldn’t have been foucused on when it did. It honestly should’ve been the last thing for the game.

 

[Artoriasex]

Monthly status updates huh yikes looks like this is gonna drag for a long time.

maybe years...DC is just like that, he is not a trustworthy dev like NLTmedia

 

[srksrk 68]

There's indeed a limit on how much you can include into one game/story before it impacts the writing in a bad way. These are just basic principles and in many cases a little can greatly improve the overall product. It's the same with features, too.

You'll either have to explain/introduce extraordinary stuff (like the monster girls, for example) or you'll have to hope that it's small enough so the average player without OCD won't mind (like the telescope, for example). A pregnant futa or even trans person without vagina on the other hand sits pretty much in between these things doesn't really have a place in SS in my opinion.

I'm not saying that you can't write a game where it's the most normal thing in the world - this just isn't it.

Hey, this is not my discussion. I'm just saying, nothing is normal in this game. And you would not be forced to impregnate StEve, nor are you to boink Aqua, if it kills your immersion.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Honestly, this recent post is… interesting to say the least. There’s definitely feels like a reaction to DC noticing his number are dropping, due to a simple lack of progress for months, and no small number of patrons getting tired of it, and deciding to drop it, and simply wait for it to come out.

We have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes, but we can all agree, whether we are defenders or not, that this is simply taking too long, and even if it’s not, it feels to more than a few deliberately drawn out and they’re starting to speak with their wallets.

The monthly updates , kind of come off like a stopgap solution, rather than something good for the game. At this point, I think some people would just prefer if we just dropped the entire tech update. And moved onto the update’s behind it,

Simply, because even when the wait is over, and it’s finally out, it’s probably not even gonna be worth it in plenty of people’s eyes. It has taken frankly way too long and I think all of us can agree with that. DC needs to do more otherwise the number will just keep dropping.

The problem is that we don't know how difficult the old coding would actually make adding content going forward. If you ask me, they should have made this tech update a long time ago when it was less of an issue to implement, but the Patrons had spoken that they wanted the routes first.

 

[dirgetka]

monthly status updates are probably a wise idea given that we can go 50 days at a time without the progress bar appearing to move. Would allay concerns that things are still happening despite the apparent lack of movement. Interesting change of tack though; you'd have to think something happened behind the scenes to make DC feel this was necessary

 

[sirviper235]

The problem is that we don't know how difficult the old coding would actually make adding content going forward. If you ask me, they should have made this tech update a long time ago when it was less of an issue to implement, but the Patrons had spoken that they wanted the routes first.

I agree we should’ve gone this a long time ago. Frankly the wait would not be so bad. If this happened earlier in the games, lifespan. It is honestly starting to feel deliberately dragged out.

 

[sirviper235]

monthly status updates are probably a wise idea given that we can go 50 days at a time without the progress bar appearing to move. Would allay concerns that things are still happening despite the apparent lack of movement. Interesting change of tack though; you'd have to think something happened behind the scenes to make DC feel this was necessary

Perhaps the patrons starting to leave is a factor. More likely DC maybe getting nervous that people are getting more and more annoyed at how long it’s taking.

 

[StJesuz]

The tech update might be a good business idea but it's gone sideways and the team isn't able to release it as a normal operation. I think it will finish sometime, probably before the end of 2023 but it has been the reason for a lack of progress til now.

 

[Gerardo Nardo]

I wonder how fast the updates will be after tech comes out.

 

[Sothyr]

I wonder how fast the updates will be after tech comes out.

In the videos on Picarto he is or was working on art for future updates, for example the locations. So it is good possible that the next update(s) will be faster.

 

[AshleyRose21]

1% every two years is a worth it pace. Excited for the update

 

[AshleyRose21]

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He pretty much said that it will come 1-2 years later

 

[Count Morado]

I wonder how fast the updates will be after tech comes out.

Not fast.

In the videos on Picarto he is or was working on art for future updates, for example the locations. So it is good possible that the next update(s) will be faster.

There is still writing, coding, posing and playtesting. The art already being done may take a week or so off (because of layering of tasks between the various staff) - but little more. Also, as the dialogue and narrative writing for each update gets more fleshed out - there is always some additional art or revisions to already made art that is needed. I would not get up false hopes that updates will be any faster than they were before the tech update.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Not fast.
There is still writing, coding, posing and playtesting. The art already being done may take a week or so off (because of layering of tasks between the various staff) - but little more. Also, as the dialogue and narrative writing for each update gets more fleshed out - there is always some additional art or revisions to already made art that is needed. I would not get up false hopes that updates will be any faster than they were before the tech update.

One should add: we don't know how far the writing is. That might also be further along than the coding and posing. It's not like writing a story is dependent on how fast someone writes code.

 

[Count Morado]

One should add: we don't know how far the writing is. That might also be further along than the coding and posing. It's not like writing a story is dependent on how fast someone writes code.

This is true - however, in order to not build a false sense of hope, it would be best to think that none of the writing is done and so the update(s) should take longer. If a person entertains the idea that some/all of the writing is also done and therefore updates should be quicker - this sets up that person for a letdown if that is not the case.

Since we are not informed of the status of any of the aspects of of any updates after the tech update, it would be in the best interest of fans to consider nothing is done for any update after the tech update so as not to build one up with expectations that may be unreasonable. People should only make estimates based upon what is known.

 

[Gizmogobum]

The tech update might be a good business idea but it's gone sideways and the team isn't able to release it as a normal operation. I think it will finish sometime, probably before the end of 2023 but it has been the reason for a lack of progress til now.

More like mid to late 2024 or even early 2025. When it comes to this game and its release schedule never ever hope for a good outcome. That being said, keep on milking dev, you are making bank and people are still excusing this shite behaviour.

 

[cloud77777]

The developer is gonna give one update a month and no one should be happy with that. The updates themselves are just proof of working and give no context to the work or any expectation of how much is left. Him calling it the "first monthly update" implies there's going to be a lot more.

This entire tech update was a mistake. I don't think anyone would have wanted it if they knew how long it would take and no one is going to be satisfied with the result unless it is basically a whole new game's worth of content.

 

[itsyeboii]

the status update makes it sound like the tech update is still months if not years away. i wonder if DC felt forced to release these status updates now because he lost another 500 patreons between april 1st and may 1st (correct me if i'm wrong) and it's starting to hurt his buttom line. could be that he is trying to prevent another drop, the timing of this update at the end of the month seems to indicate that. maybe him losing patreons is actually having an effect even though his defenders said otherwise

Honestly I also have some question marks as to the timing of his decision to do monthly updates after all this time. It could just be nothing, but it's not far fetched to think that he's finally feeling some pressure.

 

[itsyeboii]

Honestly, I was just catching up and I saw the whole pregnancy system discussion on the last page and I gotta say: This game (like a lot of the Patreon games here) has a massive scope creep problem. All this game needed to be was a "dating" sim with a bunch of school girls (and the three incest options) that culminated with the player picking an ending in who they take to prom, that's it. The mafia plotline didn't even need it's own cg, patrons did not care about it that much.

There's a version of this game that could have been much more streamlined with things like the monstergirls and pregnancy system being "DLC" after the game was done.

I've been saying this for years, this game would have only benefited from a smaller scope with more focus. That being said, a lot of the fetishes were established very early on, they still could've been implemented in a better way instead of adding way too many ground to cover tho.