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Where do you think the word "Patreon" derives from? Patron. It's an endorsement. Historically when you are an artists 'patron' it means you fund them with the hope that that investment turns into something good but it isn't an expectation. Patrons stop funding if they don't get what they want out of that investment.You are the master of embarrassment, aren't you? I had to laugh when I read your post.
What exactly do you say in the first paragraph? I misquoted you? I misunderstood you and DC's " The more pledges, the more time he can spend adding content to the game " ? And I'm just imagining things?
Then in the second you say... that you were wrong and it's written there but I'm still misinterpreting it because he actually means something completely different.... lol i have no words for such stupidity..
You know, if you weren't so absurdly embarrassing, I would try to deal with your statement somehow, but you disqualify yourself with this bullshit that is obvious to everyone, even without my involvementThe only thing you have currently proven is that you have mental problems and are out of touch with reality.
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The problem is you don't understand the meaning of being a patron.
I think it's great that you have the gift of philosophical interpretation and an interest in history. But historically, the word patron comes from the Latin patronus. In ancient Rome, a patronus was someone who provided support and protection for a client, usually in return for loyalty and services. In an artistic context, patronage became particularly important during the Renaissance. This is why Italy is full of art and sculptures...if everyone had been as “industrious” as DC ... Florence would look like a collection of empty underground garages.
But we live in 2024, I'm not DeMedici and DC is certainly no Leonardo DaVinci. I mainly support projects on Patreon, but I don't fund permanent vacations. And you can expect your “patron” to kick you in the butt if you just lie around lazily and don't keep your promises. Perhaps you will at least recognize in my criticism the tendency to maintain this tradition.
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Ahh yes, the philosophy of a words definition. Right. Brilliant analysis. You can cut out the meaningless etymology. That is irrelevant to anything here and a poor attempt to make yourself look smart.
No, here in reality, some of us just understand that Patreon is a play on Patron. It's in the name. You don't need to understand lexical semantics to know that on fucking patreon you are being a patron towards potential products and funding artists/creators despite pretense. You have no consumer rights. You aren't fucking purchasing anything. You are literally donating to them.
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It's literally in their TOS. You are a patron. You AREN'T subjected to receive shit. If you don't like it, stop donating money to someone as a patron.
The person you were responding to was right. You are the one who had childish expectations here because you didn't understand your role in this consumer relationship. No one else here to blame. Maybe you shouldn't throw around money if it isn't something you expect to lose. Crazy how there are no shortage of people like you who think you are buying updates to these games. You aren't. Take it as a moment to learn about your own spending issues. Frankly I'd be shocked if you weren't in your twenties. Given your general argument here that your own incompetence is never reasoned with when you don't get what you want. You are like those gamers that preorder games at full price and then get mad when it wasn't what you wanted without looking into reviews or seeing it played at all.
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mattius77
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I don't think it could be more clear: Donations get you access to certain perks, and that's it. There's no promise of delivery, you're not funding a development pipeline, nothing. Kickstarter? Yes. Patreon? No.
I've never donated to a creator on Patreon, but I've never thought of the platform as funding a budget or anything like that. It's more just "Oh, you make good stuff. Here are a few dollars for your toil, much appreciated." I wouldn't expect anything in return. Just the opposite - I'd only consider donating after I saw the goods, as it were.
I've never donated to a creator on Patreon, but I've never thought of the platform as funding a budget or anything like that. It's more just "Oh, you make good stuff. Here are a few dollars for your toil, much appreciated." I wouldn't expect anything in return. Just the opposite - I'd only consider donating after I saw the goods, as it were.
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you haven't mentioned DC redrawing the whole thing while being halfway finished on the progress
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I mean it's still common sense that you're funding the creator's creations with your donations in one way or another. The Patreon pledge goals pretty much confirm that your pledge isn't a mere donation but a means of production. And the tier benefits you get are often geared towards future content.
You're not gonna tell me that the majority of people don't donate to support continued development of the game and would be completely fine if DC randomly announced the end of development.
I agree that a lot of people here misconstrue how Patreon works and end up saying completely wrong and ignorant things to criticize the game's development. But at the same time I never subscribed to the idea that DC's business being on Patreon makes him exempt from all criticism because it runs on donations so no-one is allowed to have any expectations or standards.
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Neither have I, my thrust has been that people do need to keep in perspective the process of pledges when considering the structure and context of the criticism.
No, but that is the risk THEY are taking and theirs, alone. It is not ours to take on in our criticism of the work. And if a patron decides their pledge enables their need to say something, that is what their subscribers channel on the discord and patreon is for -- their pledge-supported benefit empowers them with direct access to the eyes and ears of the dev team. Here, DC has rarely communicated and this is not his platform for communication and on here no one truly knows if the person criticizing is doing so from their patron-position.
I know I'm preaching to the choir (meaning itsyeboii) on the following, but the millions on this site and the tens of millions across other sites get what we pay for (a free game that everyone has access to directly from the developer) and our criticism should be understood in that way (by us and from us).
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