Unity Taffy Tales [S1 Redux] [UberPie]

[bobofthebush]

It takes them at least one month, sometimes 2 or longer to play test, based upon past releases. Once it took them about three and then required a full month of bug fixes after that.

Uberpie did announce that 25 Jul. However neither of the next 2 updates mention anything about how play testing is going.

I shall bow to your knowledge of how long, historically, the game has remained in playtesting. I had assumed, based on the finished product, that playtesting did not take too long. I can now only assume that, at the start of playtesting, the game does not even load.

 

[BlaBlaCat]

I shall bow to your knowledge of how long, historically, the game has remained in playtesting. I had assumed, based on the finished product, that playtesting did not take too long. I can now only assume that, at the start of playtesting, the game does not even load.

Yes, you're both absolutely right about this issue. Maybe they just chose the wrong name for this development phase? Something like - omg why the heck won't this damn thing start?

 

[reeroll]

Wow, I tried to be extremely polite, but it's useless with you. You're quite primitively twisting the conspiracy theory—this is about you, don't put your tinfoil hat on me. I believe his words and the words of other developers, while you just have a rather strange resentment and simply don't believe them. You don't have the other side of the conflict that reflects your opinion, my aggressive, overly confident (without clear reason) friend. Is Uber lying? Are other developers complaining about the same support issues lying? Is the Earth flat? It's quite amusing how you try to reduce your thoughts to the idea that everyone is lying except you (or Patreon? Maybe you asked them?).

All this is generally quite normal, and everyone has their own opinion, but you are a moderator and speak with such aplomb as if you have secret knowledge and are lecturing others. Will you delete this message of mine or answer what your ironclad confidence that everyone is lying except Patreon is based on? Maybe you'll argue that other developers' works have no fewer Patreon rule violations, but they stay afloat, and all checks and deletions are some kind of roulette? Nobody talked about angels, yet another amusing twist lol. So, will you answer, my friend? What makes you think you know better how Patreon support works? What makes you think Uber is lying, and why would he do that? I think he would be happy to remove the red flag content and continue working.

Please don't delete this comment and lay out on the table why we should believe you and not the developer and others like him. They are in the industry, and you are just a literate, attentive moderator on the forum. Don't be offended; there's nothing personal here, really.

He does lie an example is the change for the main route without prior notice nor explanation with just a teaser for a different route than announced.second he changed his overall creative direction for AI art + AI dialogues which aren't checked.
That's why you shouldn't take his speech for granted.
just take a look at his actions not the words to evaluate someone's honesty.

As for the ban I agree with you patreon does ban countless people and often for dumb reasons.But the fact he tells he wasn't told the reason is a bit suspicious,even if you are banned they always tell you the reason.Pixiv for example is Powertripping on double standard they will allow the most violent,morally wrong content for if you are japanese but if you are a NON-japanese you will get scolded even for nudity (censored penis which wasn't there prior)
kinda racist tbh

 

[BlaBlaCat]

He does lie an example is the change for the main route without prior notice nor explanation with just a teaser for a different route than announced.second he changed his overall creative direction for AI art + AI dialogues which aren't checked.
That's why you shouldn't take his speech for granted.
just take a look at his actions not the words to evaluate someone's honesty.

1. I don't quite understand what the lie is regarding the route change and what change you're referring to (is this a separate NTR project build?). How do you even imagine notifying about all changes in the plot? I'm not trying to exaggerate, I really just don't understand what you're talking about. And again, the word "lie" doesn't quite fit here.

2. Regarding AI, I’ll say right away - I agree that I am also not a fan of AI and how it has cluttered all the galleries, etc. There’s no point in talking about all the memes about AI artists either, since it's all quite amusing for now. But he never said he doesn’t use it (i.e., there was no lie).

However, as I see it, he is trying to apply it, first terribly clumsily, then a bit better, and now I really like how AI helps him in his work, although again not without mistakes (fingers lol). I generally don't always understand and see the question – is it AI or not? This means the approach works overall.

As I wrote above, the attitude towards AI now is approximately the same (although who am I kidding, it’s much worse since the threat to artists unwilling to adapt is much more serious) as it was to 3D tracing, rendering, and photobashing in its time. At first, everyone raged, then most artists in the industry started using it. It’s pretty much the same here. Apparently, Uber is afraid to directly say that he uses AI (but again, he’s not lying):
a) Because of the huge backlash in the community, which is really enormous
b) Because everything initially came out very clumsily, and that’s a fact he tries to hide and justify by redrawing unsuccessful experiments.

In other words, he is a controversial figure and inclined towards novelties and shortcuts. But he has never openly lied. In my opinion, his biggest sin is how he crudely photobashed and used references at the beginning of his career when his drawing skills were still weak.
I can't guarantee that he never lied, but I don't see any reasons for it. (Yes, I'm trying to justify again that he’s not my idol, lol).

 

[reeroll]

1. I don't quite understand what the lie is regarding the route change and what change you're referring to (is this a separate project build?). How do you even imagine notifying about all changes in the plot? I'm not trying to exaggerate, I really just don't understand what you're talking about. And again, the word "lie" doesn't quite fit here.

2. Regarding AI, I’ll say right away - I agree that I am also not a fan of AI and how it has cluttered all the galleries, etc. There’s no point in talking about all the memes about AI artists either, since it's all quite amusing for now. But he never said he doesn’t use it (i.e., there was no lie).

However, as I see it, he is trying to apply it, first terribly clumsily, then a bit better, and now I really like how AI helps him in his work, although again not without mistakes (fingers lol). I generally don't always understand and see the question – is it AI or not? This means the approach works overall.

As I wrote above, the attitude towards AI now is approximately the same (although who am I kidding, it’s much worse since the threat to artists unwilling to adapt is much more serious) as it was to 3D tracing, rendering, and photobashing in its time. At first, everyone raged, then most artists in the industry started using it. It’s pretty much the same here. Apparently, Uber is afraid to directly say that he uses AI (but again, he’s not lying):
a) Because of the huge backlash in the community, which is really enormous
b) Because everything initially came out very clumsily, and that’s a fact he tries to hide and justify by redrawing unsuccessful experiments.

In other words, he is a controversial figure and inclined towards novelties and shortcuts. But he has never openly lied. In my opinion, his only sin is how he crudely photobashed and used references at the beginning of his career when his drawing skills were still weak.
I can't guarantee that he never lied, but I don't see any reasons for it. (Yes, I'm trying to justify again that he’s not my idol, lol).

at the end of the prior update he announced the ntr route which was then cancelled by just posting a teaser for main route.
My point is don't take his speech for face value and especially when that person is knwon for shortcuts.
Second AI art can be used in a great way just look at starmaker or other games like my new girlfriend.
they both really used it at full potential if you mastered it.

 

[BlaBlaCat]

at the end of the prior update he announced the ntr route which was then cancelled by just posting a teaser for main route.
My point is don't take his speech for face value and especially when that person is knwon for shortcuts.
Second AI art can be used in a great way just look at starmaker or other games like my new girlfriend.
they both really used it at full potential if you mastered it.

1. Thank you for understanding my words correctly. However, I still don’t see any deceit in the fact that he couldn’t release both the NTR (Netorare) and the regular update simultaneously. They were already enormous and comprehensive updates. Plus, people are upset on both sides.

2. You cited two excellent projects as examples. Regarding Starmaker, I can only say that it’s probably the most successful application of pixel art AI in the adult gaming industry—truly impeccable, bravo. The only thing is that pixel art makes hundreds of times fewer mistakes compared to non-pixel art.

As for My New Girlfriend, the situation is far more interesting. I'll start by saying that the project is indeed excellent and the creator did an outstanding job. However, I spent just three minutes pointing out the numerous issues present in just one screenshot of the game.
That is, almost all the screenshots in the game’s description were practically unedited. In this regard, Uber is currently (!) much better (and gets criticized ten times more harshly). Even though I wouldn’t want to compare them directly, I'll repeat—an excellent example nonetheless.

 

[reeroll]

1. Thank you for understanding my words correctly. However, I still don’t see any deceit in the fact that he couldn’t release both the NTR (Netorare) and the regular update simultaneously. They were already enormous and comprehensive updates. Plus, people are upset on both sides.

2. You cited two excellent projects as examples. Regarding Starmaker, I can only say that it’s probably the most successful application of pixel art AI in the adult gaming industry—truly impeccable, bravo. The only thing is that pixel art makes hundreds of times fewer mistakes compared to non-pixel art.

As for My New Girlfriend, the situation is far more interesting. I'll start by saying that the project is indeed excellent and the creator did an outstanding job. However, I spent just three minutes pointing out the numerous issues present in just one screenshot of the game.
View attachment 3920439 That is, almost all the screenshots in the game’s description were practically unedited. In this regard, Uber is currently (!) much better (and gets criticized ten times more harshly). Even though I wouldn’t want to compare them directly, I'll repeat—an excellent example nonetheless.

I mean he said after the remake he said he would update only one route a time so... if there is any explanation that was provided later i would be glad to hear it.

 

[Whiteblackman0]

Wow, I tried to be extremely polite, but it's useless with you. You're quite primitively twisting the conspiracy theory—this is about you, don't put your tinfoil hat on me. I believe his words and the words of other developers, while you just have a rather strange resentment and simply don't believe them. You don't have the other side of the conflict that reflects your opinion, my aggressive, overly confident (without clear reason) friend. Is Uber lying? Are other developers complaining about the same support issues lying? Is the Earth flat? It's quite amusing how you try to reduce your thoughts to the idea that everyone is lying except you (or Patreon? Maybe you asked them?).

All this is generally quite normal, and everyone has their own opinion, but you are a moderator and speak with such aplomb as if you have secret knowledge and are lecturing others. Will you delete this message of mine or answer what your ironclad confidence that everyone is lying except Patreon is based on? Maybe you'll argue that other developers' works have no fewer Patreon rule violations, but they stay afloat, and all checks and deletions are some kind of roulette? Nobody talked about angels, yet another amusing twist lol. So, will you answer, my friend? What makes you think you know better how Patreon support works? What makes you think Uber is lying, and why would he do that? I think he would be happy to remove the red flag content and continue working.

Please don't delete this comment and lay out on the table why we should believe you and not the developer and others like him. They are in the industry, and you are just a literate, attentive moderator on the forum. Don't be offended; there's nothing personal here, really.

What makes me think uber is full of shit is how i waited a year for an update that "he worked really hard on" but used loads of ai cg so the guy does not think twice about saying something that anyone with 2 braincells will call bullshit

 

[BlaBlaCat]

I mean he said after the remake he said he would update only one route a time so... if there is any explanation that was provided later i would be glad to hear it.

As far as I remember, he said that to stop the war between fans and haters of NTR, he split the project into two versions and that he would support both, but not with the same frequency. Considering that Patreon deleted everything, finding this news will be very difficult. So, the phrase about them going hand in hand wasn't there.

What makes me think uber is full of shit is how i waited a year for an update that "he worked really hard on" but used loads of ai cg so the guy does not think twice about saying something that anyone with 2 braincells will call bullshit

Oh, so many words about shit. And I see you're a connoisseur of shit, categorizing people right away. Buddy, can you determine if it's AI or not?
Mmm? I, for example, cannot. Oh right, the offended ones will tell you it's AI! And they'll also tell you that AI writes his texts too! And probably programs as well, and in general, he lies about everything. Ugh, ugh, ugh. Do you have your own head on your shoulders or are you an NPC and need everything chewed up for you? Rhetorical question.

At the time of the ban, he had a huge fan base, which means that most people liked everything and many of them even followed him to SubscribeStar. You could always write to him to get your money back; as far as I know, there were no problems with that.

And now the most pleasant part. Buddy, how do you imagine AI art? Just type a prompt like AI artists and tweak the generations until you get a good one and everything is ready?)) I'll let you in on a secret – this doesn’t work with big specific tasks and projects. It's a one-time and unreliable strategy. All the tutorials on how AI will quickly do these kinds of tasks for you are scams. AI is just a tool, like 3D and photobashing. It's amazing how people are ready to immediately believe the offended ones and the loudest whiners without understanding the issue at all. I understand that your anger has blinded you and you won't understand half of what I wrote. Another tinfoil hat here.

And the most important thing – the fact that he did it in a way you don't like (and I agree, at first it was terrible, but then he fixed it) doesn't mean he is lying. Although for this logical step, you need more than two brain cells lol.

 

[succhiale]

Oh, so many words about shit. And I see you're a connoisseur of shit, categorizing people right away. Buddy, can you determine if it's AI or not?
View attachment 3921301 Mmm? I, for example, cannot. Oh right, the offended ones will tell you it's AI! And they'll also tell you that AI writes his texts too! And probably programs as well, and in general, he lies about everything. Ugh, ugh, ugh. Do you have your own head on your shoulders or are you an NPC and need everything chewed up for you? Rhetorical question.

At the time of the ban, he had a huge fan base, which means that most people liked everything and many of them even followed him to SubscribeStar. You could always write to him to get your money back; as far as I know, there were no problems with that.

And now the most pleasant part. Buddy, how do you imagine AI art? Just type a prompt like AI artists and tweak the generations until you get a good one and everything is ready?)) I'll let you in on a secret – this doesn’t work with big specific tasks and projects. It's a one-time and unreliable strategy. All the tutorials on how AI will quickly do these kinds of tasks for you are scams. AI is just a tool, like 3D and photobashing. It's amazing how people are ready to immediately believe the offended ones and the loudest whiners without understanding the issue at all. I understand that your anger has blinded you and you won't understand half of what I wrote. Another tinfoil hat here.

And the most important thing – the fact that he did it in a way you don't like (and I agree, at first it was terrible, but then he fixed it) doesn't mean he is lying. Although for this logical step, you need more than two brain cells lol.

Gosh, it's nice to realize that more and more people are starting to realize that AI is a tool. I'm ready to sign every word you say. Sorry, I know it's bad form to give advice when it's not asked for, but don't waste your time with people like that, because you can't prove anything to them. They haven't even tried to create something like this and don't know how much time it takes to get one finished art. And the fact that Uber had bad AI art originally (not all of it, but there were a lot) - I agree. There are far fewer of them now. Anyway, I sign every word, thanks for your time, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one))

 

[KuroiiTenryuu]

So I got a genuine question, what is this genre of games called like where there is a still background and you can click on intractable objects/characters no walking around bullshit just one click to go to next scene or area

 

[Satou Pendragon]

So I got a genuine question, what is this genre of games called like where there is a still background and you can click on intractable objects/characters no walking around bullshit just one click to go to next scene or area

You mean Visual Novels? or maybe even Kinetic Novels?

 

[KuroiiTenryuu]

You mean Visual Novels? or maybe even Kinetic Novels?

Kinetic Novels maybe not simple VN games like Taffy Tales and Summertime Saga

 

[Satou Pendragon]

Kinetic Novels maybe not simple VN games like Taffy Tales and Summertime Saga

I wouldn't say Taffy Tales and STS are a Visual Novel per se since you have "Quests" to do and have to go to different Places and it has the "Sandbox" Tag, something with the Prefix VN on this site and without the "Sandbox" Tag is maybe what you are searching for, e.g. My Dorm or Eternum.

 

[Ntrsugar]

So I got a genuine question, what is this genre of games called like where there is a still background and you can click on intractable objects/characters no walking around bullshit just one click to go to next scene or area

A visual novel

 

[Count Morado]

As far as I remember, he said that to stop the war between fans and haters of NTR, he split the project into two versions and that he would support both, but not with the same frequency. Considering that Patreon deleted everything, finding this news will be very difficult. So, the phrase about them going hand in hand wasn't there.

Nearly all patreon and subscribestar posts are copied to this thread.
See below with the word simultaneously.

Update news!
Hello everyone!
There’s been a lot of confusion recently about the direction with the NTR route in relation to the main route and what our plan moving forward is, and we’d like to finally clear that up properly.
First and foremost, we’re here to confirm we’ll be making both routes as SEPARATE updates simultaneously. The NTR route will be a separate game/route that you download to play independent of the main route.
We are working to streamline and increase production speed as quickly as we can, such as hiring on an additional writer who will handle the NTR route and will consider other viable options if need be.
We are making good progress with both updates, and we are working to make sure this will not affect the waiting times between builds.
As always, thank you all for your support,
Without you guys, none of this would be possible,
-The Taffy Tales Team

Personal thought : Doesn't this line : "First and foremost, we’re here to confirm we’ll be making both routes as SEPARATE updates simultaneously. The NTR route will be a separate game/route that you download to play independent of the main route."
Feels like they are making it overcomplicated or it's just me ?
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Buddy, can you determine if it's AI or not?

Mmm? I, for example, cannot. Oh right, the offended ones will tell you it's AI! And they'll also tell you that AI writes his texts too! And probably programs as well,

Yes, it is AI.
No, the writing is primarily done by lostraven, except for that small netorare (ntr) route introduced 13 months ago in v0.95.7.
I hadn't considered it, but knowing that programming is not Uberpie's strong suit, I would not begrudge him attempting to find a way to use AI to assist him with it. Though, AI programming would actually be worse that Uberpie's own work - and if he did try it, I would bet he realized it would be even more of a morass than doing it himself, unlike the art. He does have help with programming though (or, at least, did - I haven't checked lately), from a person with the discord name of "One."

So I got a genuine question, what is this genre of games called like where there is a still background and you can click on intractable objects/characters no walking around bullshit just one click to go to next scene or area

Point-and-Click, which is the basis of Visual Novels.

 

[ssj782]

I honestly forgot about this game, lol. Only remembered it when I saw a link for it on another site and figured I'd check up on it.

 

[reeroll]

As far as I remember, he said that to stop the war between fans and haters of NTR, he split the project into two versions and that he would support both, but not with the same frequency. Considering that Patreon deleted everything, finding this news will be very difficult. So, the phrase about them going hand in hand wasn't there.




Oh, so many words about shit. And I see you're a connoisseur of shit, categorizing people right away. Buddy, can you determine if it's AI or not?
View attachment 3921301 Mmm? I, for example, cannot. Oh right, the offended ones will tell you it's AI! And they'll also tell you that AI writes his texts too! And probably programs as well, and in general, he lies about everything. Ugh, ugh, ugh. Do you have your own head on your shoulders or are you an NPC and need everything chewed up for you? Rhetorical question.

At the time of the ban, he had a huge fan base, which means that most people liked everything and many of them even followed him to SubscribeStar. You could always write to him to get your money back; as far as I know, there were no problems with that.

And now the most pleasant part. Buddy, how do you imagine AI art? Just type a prompt like AI artists and tweak the generations until you get a good one and everything is ready?)) I'll let you in on a secret – this doesn’t work with big specific tasks and projects. It's a one-time and unreliable strategy. All the tutorials on how AI will quickly do these kinds of tasks for you are scams. AI is just a tool, like 3D and photobashing. It's amazing how people are ready to immediately believe the offended ones and the loudest whiners without understanding the issue at all. I understand that your anger has blinded you and you won't understand half of what I wrote. Another tinfoil hat here.

And the most important thing – the fact that he did it in a way you don't like (and I agree, at first it was terrible, but then he fixed it) doesn't mean he is lying. Although for this logical step, you need more than two brain cells lol.

i am sure you can find the truth through kemono.su and in the thread here but i am too lazy to do that.
But if you used AI Art enough you can recognize right away the images it's akin to training your intuition but I am not sure all of those critics are trained in this department.Or you could run an ai image recognition program lol but people won't investigate that far lol.so your point on AI art seems fair

 

[BlaBlaCat]

Nearly all patreon and subscribestar posts are copied to this thread.
See below with the word simultaneously.

Once again, I (and not only me, you already argued about this here) am amazed at how these two sides of your personality coexist. This time, thank you for finding the post; how well you remember and follow all this is impressive. Only in this post is exactly what I said above - nowhere is it mentioned that the production speed of these update lines is the same. And
considering the colossal size of the updates, it’s clear why they can’t make both so quickly.
That is, the next update before the ban on Patreon could have been NTR (I’m not sure, but why not. As you rightly noted, Uber listens to the loudest voices. And people want NTR).
Not to mention that hiring a second writer doesn’t mean hiring a second artist. In other words, he didn't lie anywhere again. In any case, unironically, thanks for finding this post.

Yes, it is AI.

I seem to be from the industry and can firmly say that if I hadn't been told earlier whether this is AI or not, I wouldn’t know. Plus, AI is also used as a tool here, and you can see how everything is processed afterwards. By the way, it's more noticeable here that the room itself is made in 3D and then traced, but it's not as hyped to get angry about that, right?

doing it himself, unlike the art

Once again, AI is used as a tool, just like a digital tablet, Photoshop, 3D, photobashing, etc. Nothing is drawn by text prompt alone in such tasks. Don’t mislead people. First, he clumsily and ineptly made crap in AI, then completely redid everything, and now it looks great.

He does have help with programming though (or, at least, did - I haven't checked lately), from a person with the discord name of "One."

Yes, as I understand it, they have only 1 artist, one programmer, two writers (or three, I don’t know), and an animator. Uber wrote about this too. Hate towards the programmer is also not particularly justified considering the size of the entire build and how it stacks with each other. I defend Uber’s team so often that they should start paying me with donuts. These are just unfair attacks. Where he could be criticized - I already wrote, but what happened happened.

 

[BlaBlaCat]

Gosh, it's nice to realize that more and more people are starting to realize that AI is a tool. I'm ready to sign every word you say. Sorry, I know it's bad form to give advice when it's not asked for, but don't waste your time with people like that, because you can't prove anything to them. They haven't even tried to create something like this and don't know how much time it takes to get one finished art. And the fact that Uber had bad AI art originally (not all of it, but there were a lot) - I agree. There are far fewer of them now. Anyway, I sign every word, thanks for your time, it's nice to know that I'm not the only one))

Thank you so much, brother. It's really nice to hear that. I understand that arguing is pointless and that I will be overwhelmed here at least by the numbers. But I have to try. This hate is being stirred up by people in this case for no particular reason.

And newcomers, without understanding the issue, immediately hear - he's a liar, he's a cheat, AI does everything for him, and my favorite if AI does everything for him, why has he become so lazy - there's less and less content - yes, guys, that's exactly how it works (no). Working with such tools speeds up the process, makes it easier in some ways, but most of the work remains, only the stages and tasks in the work change, which also take time, effort, and in the end, everything needs to be manually corrected. Not to mention, there was a lot of content in every update. This is not a Daz3D conveyor where you can render a ton of work without bothering, without setting up the camera and light (I don't want to offend the developers and fans of this genre, if you like it - that's okay and that's the main thing, every genre has its own pros and cons).

Thanks again and hugs. There's a little less injustice in the world now (angelic choir in the background).