Drages

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Foremost, I don't do anything about the link removals. I know there is no end. Some websites could have better cleaning against forbidden adult content, probably. Even you hate me for your own reasons, it's nice to see that you like the game enough to fight for it. I respect that. I hope you make some creative feedback too, idraigir and others.

I hope, you support it someday if you like the content.
 

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Foremost, I don't do anything about the link removals. I know there is no end. Some websites could have better cleaning against forbidden adult content, probably. Even you hate me for your own reasons, it's nice to see that you like the game enough to fight for it. I respect that. I hope you make some creative feedback too, idraigir and others.

I hope, you support it someday if you like the content.
I plan on buying the 1080p version next month, I'd do it now, but my expenses are a little high at the moment (my debit is relatively okay, but I'm looking to buy a portable monitor for my Series S, and this would push my expenses over the edge.)
 

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I plan on buying the 1080p version next month, I'd do it now, but my expenses are a little high at the moment (my debit is relatively okay, but I'm looking to buy a portable monitor for my Series S, and this would push my expenses over the edge.)
Whenever you want, considering is even enough. thx!
 
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Whenever you want, considering is even enough. thx!
Have you ever thought about appearence customization on Laura? I like your games, this one i have quite the difficult to get on, bcs i honestly such at resource management, but i like your animations, they're amazing.
 
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Drages

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Have you ever thought about appearence customization on Laura? I like your games, this one i have quite the difficult to get on, bcs i honestly such at resource management, but i like your animations, they're amazing.
Hey, thx! You don't need to be hardcore manager, as it's sandbox, there is no "wrong" way. Costumization is impossible as everything is pre-rendered in the game. I really wish to have that but even an armor change for combat means re-render everything and worst, it means more space required.

So, customization will be at ToM 2 when ToM became game of the year and I got a gaming company and use Unreal 8 engine in the future :).
 

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Hey, thx! You don't need to be hardcore manager, as it's sandbox, there is no "wrong" way. Costumization is impossible as everything is pre-rendered in the game. I really wish to have that but even an armor change for combat means re-render everything and worst, it means more space required.

So, customization will be at ToM 2 when ToM became game of the year and I got a gaming company and use Unreal 8 engine in the future :).
WHAT ABOUT COLOR CHANGES?
 

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Damm, how come all the links are being taken down right after they are shared :? when the demo version links was just fine........ It is almost feels like developer itself is reporting those links :p.
Doing great job hiding Resolution settings behind paywall :sneaky: soooo greedy.
BTW used to support this developer on subscriberstar but for the price tag o 25 dollars a month (for 1080p) version of a game i was expecting little better ovarall quality of the game or animations itself. Really this is just to expencive.
 
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Drages

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Damm, how come all the links are being taken down right after they are shared :? when the demo version links was just fine........ It is almost feels like developer itself is reporting those links :p.
Doing great job hiding Resolution settings behind paywall :sneaky: soooo greedy.
BTW used to support this developer on subscriberstar but for the price tag o 25 dollars a month (for 1080p) version of a game i was expecting little better ovarall quality of the game or animations itself. Really this is just to expencive.
Hey Demon, how are you?

25$ is a bit high, so I think same as you but sadly you cannot change those tier prices on the fly. Even you cannot delete them even you wanted if there is even one person left sub at that. So, it's a tier to people who just wants to support more. People pay for a simple art commission more than 200$ easily, so it's up to the person who got money to throw.

As quality, everybody got different tastes. About greed.. we are living in a world with billion dollar microtransactions and 15$ Mac Burgers... I am just a guy trying to survive by developing a niche game for years with my coder. I never said, I am cheap but I expect people to understand the world is expensive too. I don't milk anyone or just jumping from project to another to get attention. I am probably one of the very few developers who release something every month.

This is not your everyday NTR VN with Daz3D still renders which gets 10000 subs day one... I am not the best one out there, my visuals, animations are not the best. I am 43 years old, probably the same age as many people's father. I am using an old 3D program. My coder is at Ukraine and literally survives with the money from this game. We still don't go for the cheap-sure moneymaker content. We create something unique, something even hated by most of the kink community. We do what we love and we want to share this with others who understand this.

I just wanted to share. I sometimes get talkative.. Old guy problem :).
 

xxDemon

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Hey Drages ,

Subscriberstar Tiers aren't really a problem here. I get it, everyone needs to live from something and paying for employees is expensive too.

Well 25$ Tier is not an issue either, if someone wants and have money to spare for the support then why not to keep it!
My problem is the monetization system you are currently using.

You are selling your game for 10$ (monthly sub) in 720p when we are living in era of 4k monitors where 1080p is being replaced by 2k as a standard.
1080p version should not be charged 15 extra dollars when it doesn't offer anything more than 10$ version..

Sure 25$ tier offers some animations archives so you could give it as a reason for this price tier... But there are also people who are looking just for a game in playable 1080p so this at least should be sold under separate tier with fair price. (720p looks just bad on modern monitors)

Mate, I even would support you with this tier if I was anyhow rewarded for this... I'm not exacly rich, and giving away 25$ a month pretty much for no benefit is no go for me....

That's why I called you greedy in my previous comment. In my eyes you are charging extra money with minimal to none effort which doesn't seem to be exactly fair to your supporters.

Thanks,
Demon
 

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Hey Drages ,

Subscriberstar Tiers aren't really a problem here. I get it, everyone needs to live from something and paying for employees is expensive too.

Well 25$ Tier is not an issue either, if someone wants and have money to spare for the support then why not to keep it!
My problem is the monetization system you are currently using.

You are selling your game for 10$ (monthly sub) in 720p when we are living in era of 4k monitors where 1080p is being replaced by 2k as a standard.
1080p version should not be charged 15 extra dollars when it doesn't offer anything more than 10$ version..

Sure 25$ tier offers some animations archives so you could give it as a reason for this price tier... But there are also people who are looking just for a game in playable 1080p so this at least should be sold under separate tier with fair price. (720p looks just bad on modern monitors)

Mate, I even would support you with this tier if I was anyhow rewarded for this... I'm not exacly rich, and giving away 25$ a month pretty much for no benefit is no go for me....

That's why I called you greedy in my previous comment. In my eyes you are charging extra money with minimal to none effort which doesn't seem to be exactly fair to your supporters.

Thanks,
Demon
You should not think this resolution like the other games. The problem here is file size of many videos used in game. The 1080p version will be 10 GB very soon. It's a heavy load at game loading too as the video player in Unity should be able to play videos next to next without lag. The white/black screen problems are mostly about those random heavy video loading problems. As we got limited computers to test, we cannot be sure everything will work for everyone too.

I always planned this game as a "1080p windowed" one. At that point, you don't feel much difference 720p to 1080p. As the game is about videos, 2K is not so logical too. The best way is to play the game windowed 1080p even you got a big 2K or 4K monitor.

I plan to go for 4K renders, not AI upscales and try them in the game but even the game size will be easily more than 15 GB. My max upload is 30 Mbit.. Uploading a build take hours. Imagine this with many builds created at development per month with bug testing, editing stuff before releases.

I think "with minimal to no effort" is not a right way of thinking. It's just to get more support and giving a reason to those subs. And I always say, even for 10$, you DON'T need to sub for every month. You like the game? You want to support? Support it just every end of the December so you get 2 Build with one month payment. You got more money? Do it every 6 months... I am of course thankful for everybody who throws money every month, but as I say again I live in a country one of the most fcked up economy and I know how it feels to pay something like this.

In the end, everyone got their own reasons and excuses. You just don't make it dramatic. This is a problem comes with social media. Everyone starts with aggressive behavior with dramatic attacks when they sit behind keyboard. They became much more reasonable when you respond calmly. I try to do that. It does not work with everyone of course but as I said I am old enough to not care if they refuse to listen.
 

xxDemon

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You should not think this resolution like the other games. The problem here is file size of many videos used in game. The 1080p version will be 10 GB very soon. It's a heavy load at game loading too as the video player in Unity should be able to play videos next to next without lag. The white/black screen problems are mostly about those random heavy video loading problems. As we got limited computers to test, we cannot be sure everything will work for everyone too.

I always planned this game as a "1080p windowed" one. At that point, you don't feel much difference 720p to 1080p. As the game is about videos, 2K is not so logical too. The best way is to play the game windowed 1080p even you got a big 2K or 4K monitor.

I plan to go for 4K renders, not AI upscales and try them in the game but even the game size will be easily more than 15 GB. My max upload is 30 Mbit.. Uploading a build take hours. Imagine this with many builds created at development per month with bug testing, editing stuff before releases.

I think "with minimal to no effort" is not a right way of thinking. It's just to get more support and giving a reason to those subs. And I always say, even for 10$, you DON'T need to sub for every month. You like the game? You want to support? Support it just every end of the December so you get 2 Build with one month payment. You got more money? Do it every 6 months... I am of course thankful for everybody who throws money every month, but as I say again I live in a country one of the most fcked up economy and I know how it feels to pay something like this.

In the end, everyone got their own reasons and excuses. You just don't make it dramatic. This is a problem comes with social media. Everyone starts with aggressive behavior with dramatic attacks when they sit behind keyboard. They became much more reasonable when you respond calmly. I try to do that. It does not work with everyone of course but as I said I am old enough to not care if they refuse to listen.
Drages Thanks for the response buddy, but we have missunderstanding here ;) My point is that i see no reason why would you hide 1080p behind 15$ paywall compared to 720p... This just doesn't feel right... switching between 720/1080p should be included in 10 dollars bracket to be honest.. this is basic game configuration that shoudn't be sold as payed DLC (I guess you are trying to be Ubisoft in porn game industry :FacePalm:. Like i said 1080p is a standard nowdays.

PS: There's nice saying "Haters gonna hate" and considering that now i look like one of them you probably you won't care about our conversation so let's end it up here to avoid unnecesary spam. If you want to continue it at any point let's bring it up to private..
 
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