SiteRip "The JOI Archive" The joi Database Patreon exclusive SiteRip v2.11 [2024-07-15]

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Frank6666

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I would want nothing more than live in a world where what you said was true. Unfortunately, as Sin already pointed out, it isn't the case. Just like in all porn industry, we need to provide some significant extra value for our supporters or the amount of them would drop to such an insignificant number that we would no longer be able to sustain ourselves, the data from our analytics confirms it, as well as the experiments ran by other HJOI creators in the past. And no, you cannot do what we do as a hobby if you have another full-time job. At least not with the amount of content we make. We make over 2h of video content per month on average and it's a full-time job for two people. The script alone is so long that it often takes weeks to write and editing the video takes even longer. And that's not even mentioning the stuff like voice acting, community management, managing the website etc.

The simple truth is the same as with any other porn content (outside of h-gaming industry, this one has a lil bit different culture) - our stuff gets leaked too much, we go out of business, there is no more stuff because we need to find another way to make money to pay our bills. As much as I'd wanna live in the world where we could give away all of our content for free for the sake of people who can't afford the $10 being able to enjoy it, the truth is that it's a choice between that and having money to pay for food.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the leak that happened here is enough to put us out of business. I could barely google it, fortunately this thread is not doing amazingly when it comes to SEO. I'm talking about a scenario where the internet is full of our leaks to the point where almost everyone can find them.
Stop acting like you do so much work lol, adding text onto images and adding sounds is nothing, whilst panning a camera and adding stuff like censors is the bare minimum. You claiming it takes weeks to write a generic porn script is hilarious. The arm movement I do whilst jerking it is more work than you lot do making "content" with stolen images and sounds and music on likely pirated video editing software. Why can't you just be grateful suckers exist instead of coming here and complaining we aren't suckers along with your woe is me I work so hard spiel. I hope all of you "go out of business" because yes I am that petty.
 
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JOIGang

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Stop acting like you do so much work lol, adding text onto images and adding sounds is nothing, whilst panning a camera and adding stuff like censors is the bare minimum. You claiming it takes weeks to write a generic porn script is hilarious. The arm movement I do whilst jerking it is more work than you lot do making "content" with stolen images and sounds and music on likely pirated video editing software. Why can't you just be grateful suckers exist instead of coming here and complaining we aren't suckers along with your woe is me I work so hard spiel. I hope all of you "go out of business" because yes I am that petty.
Panning a camera huh. Alright, let's examine.

How many hours do you think it took me to make that title screen?
How many hours do you think it took me to just make just the title screen's logo?
How many hours do you think it took me to make the map at 19:56? Speaking of buying software, I do own the software I used to make that map. Same goes for my editing software.

Those are obviously just a few examples of the whole vid, but how about we tackle the "generic porn script". Let's leave out the fact that the scripts are written in-character for a moment and assume that it is indeed just a generic 'porn speech' and let's do some math with the assumption that we make no pauses to think what we're writing whatsoever. All of the last month's content we released had a total of 36 192 words in it. An average person can type around 40 words per minute. This means that, with the assumption that the person typing the script would take literally zero pauses to eat, shit or even think, it would have still taken over 15 hours to write it. Obviously, it takes a lot longer because, even if we wouldn't eat or shit, we still need to think about what we're actually writing, especially if we wanna stay true to the character's canon personality. Which we always do unless it's our OC.

Now, the above only takes into account writing the script. After writing it, it needs to be actually voice acted and then put into the vid. Let's skip the voice acting for now and focus on what you said instead. You're right in saying that this part it is indeed just "adding text onto images". So let me ask you, how long do you think does it take to add 36k words worth of lines into a video, so that it matches perfectly with the voice acting? How about you try and do this in less than 40h and if you manage it then I'll buy you a beer.

Look, I know that there are HJOI creators out there that put out shit slideshow content and make most of their work patreon exclusive hoping for some easy money. I have no love for those people either, they pollute our niche with soulless, minimal effort garbage. They won't go out of business though and the reason for that is very simple: They have no business. Those are all the people that had the same mindset like you, thinking they can just put a few generic porn lines over some random images and this will make them easy money. It doesn't. Almost nobody buys their shit. They're lucky if they make more than $50 on Patreon. Everybody just ignores their existence. There's only a handful of those creators that make any sort of 'real' money, but even those only make few hundred $ top.

Anyways, this will be the last rant I'll make here, unless there's something worthwhile to talk about. Contrary to some people's belief, I actually have work to do.

Cheers,
Xan
 

Muad'ib

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Stop acting like you do so much work lol, adding text onto images and adding sounds is nothing, whilst panning a camera and adding stuff like censors is the bare minimum. You claiming it takes weeks to write a generic porn script is hilarious. The arm movement I do whilst jerking it is more work than you lot do making "content" with stolen images and sounds and music on likely pirated video editing software. Why can't you just be grateful suckers exist instead of coming here and complaining we aren't suckers along with your woe is me I work so hard spiel. I hope all of you "go out of business" because yes I am that petty.
i like how you claim what they're doing holds no value yet you're here begging for leaks

they're right to be pissed for us pirating their content cause we are committing theft
 

Swagswagdisease

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Panning a camera huh. Alright, let's examine.

How many hours do you think it took me to make that title screen?
How many hours do you think it took me to just make just the title screen's logo?
How many hours do you think it took me to make the map at 19:56? Speaking of buying software, I do own the software I used to make that map. Same goes for my editing software.

Those are obviously just a few examples of the whole vid, but how about we tackle the "generic porn script". Let's leave out the fact that the scripts are written in-character for a moment and assume that it is indeed just a generic 'porn speech' and let's do some math with the assumption that we make no pauses to think what we're writing whatsoever. All of the last month's content we released had a total of 36 192 words in it. An average person can type around 40 words per minute. This means that, with the assumption that the person typing the script would take literally zero pauses to eat, shit or even think, it would have still taken over 15 hours to write it. Obviously, it takes a lot longer because, even if we wouldn't eat or shit, we still need to think about what we're actually writing, especially if we wanna stay true to the character's canon personality. Which we always do unless it's our OC.

Now, the above only takes into account writing the script. After writing it, it needs to be actually voice acted and then put into the vid. Let's skip the voice acting for now and focus on what you said instead. You're right in saying that this part it is indeed just "adding text onto images". So let me ask you, how long do you think does it take to add 36k words worth of lines into a video, so that it matches perfectly with the voice acting? How about you try and do this in less than 40h and if you manage it then I'll buy you a beer.

Look, I know that there are HJOI creators out there that put out shit slideshow content and make most of their work patreon exclusive hoping for some easy money. I have no love for those people either, they pollute our niche with soulless, minimal effort garbage. They won't go out of business though and the reason for that is very simple: They have no business. Those are all the people that had the same mindset like you, thinking they can just put a few generic porn lines over some random images and this will make them easy money. It doesn't. Almost nobody buys their shit. They're lucky if they make more than $50 on Patreon. Everybody just ignores their existence. There's only a handful of those creators that make any sort of 'real' money, but even those only make few hundred $ top.

Anyways, this will be the last rant I'll make here, unless there's something worthwhile to talk about. Contrary to some people's belief, I actually have work to do.

Cheers,
Xan
Ain't reading allat
This is about leaks DM him if u wanna discuss more
Ts why I made a V2 of this thread with the links
 
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trickster_JK

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i like how you claim what they're doing holds no value yet you're here begging for leaks

they're right to be pissed for us pirating their content cause we are committing theft
As in every existing field there will always be people ready to show their poor point of view
 

JOIGang

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Dec 3, 2023
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i like how you claim what they're doing holds no value yet you're here begging for leaks

they're right to be pissed for us pirating their content cause we are committing theft
Nah I'm not pissed for that, piracy will always exist and if someone can't afford to pay money for porn then I don't mind them watching our leaks. If they wouldn't subscribe anyway then there's no loss for us if they watch the leaks, so no reason to be butthurt about that. It also means that there's more people enjoying my content so that's a plus for me. We can't afford to commission art so we take art from booru sites to make our vids, so it's not like we're that different. I was ranting because someone claimed that I don't put time and care in making my vids.
 

heralder

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Mar 3, 2018
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The other thing that Sin said is also true. It usually takes over a hundred hours just to make one mid-length vid. It also takes a lot of talent if they're voice acted too. It sucks that we're in a niche, since this means we don't make enough money to commission custom art for our vids, but I'd like to think that the artists benefit from the situation as well because we kind of serve as free advertisement for their work and we never use their patreon exclusive art for our projects.
Ah yes free advertisement, of which i can't say I've seen anywhere in the videos where you're giving credit, could you not have easily done that at the end?
 
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Kuroila

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Sup. Xan From JOIGang here.

I know better than to try to ask you to take down our leaks, so instead I'll just butt in for a moment to say hi and second what Sin (Chillanimejoi) was saying before. The HJOI niche sure did change a lot in the past years and yeah, there's a ton of shit quality content out there because many people think this is an easy way to make money. Fortunately this doesn't work and nearly every creator that tries to just spam patreon-exclusive content doesn't even pass the $100 mark on their Patreons. Hopefully people will soon start to notice that it's just a waste of time and will stop ruining our little porn niche.

The other thing that Sin said is also true. It usually takes over a hundred hours just to make one mid-length vid. It also takes a lot of talent if they're voice acted too. It sucks that we're in a niche, since this means we don't make enough money to commission custom art for our vids, but I'd like to think that the artists benefit from the situation as well because we kind of serve as free advertisement for their work and we never use their patreon exclusive art for our projects.

Anyways, I hope that, if you like our leaked content, you'll still consider supporting us. We aren't monetized on Pornhub so the money we make from exclusive content is our only source of income that pays for our bills. If you can't support us and you're watching the leaked stuff because you can't afford to pay, no worries, I get that. I'm from a country where currency is kinda shit, so paying $10 for me is like paying $40 for people living in the west, so I could never really afford to pay for porn either lol.

Enjoy your fap and me and Bunny (writer/VA, the other half of JOIGang) hope you like it. Feel free to leave feedback if you feel like we can improve on something.

Cheers.
Man, i was undestand your side until you say that " but I'd like to think that the artists benefit from the situation as well because we kind of serve as free advertisement for their work and we never use their patreon exclusive art for our projects.", wtf is that bullshit man, no you are not helping the artist, stop saying that bullshit.
 
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