the lack of creativity and the waste of good ideas

[_Gutts_]

Hello, I created this thread in order to reflect on porn games in general and how it is being shaped. From 2017 to the present day I have witnessed several games, great games, good games and average games but hardly any game that you look at and say: "damn this game is so amazing!" but like I said it's pretty hard but why?

you must probably be sick of watching another game where the protagonist managed to make a harem of all the women in his neighborhood or ate his whole family... these types of repetition just to earn some money and simply put his foot down.

many creators tend to follow just for money and not for dedication, there are creators who do for little and deliver very incredible projects but there are others who ask for so much they can barely deliver half.

i really love themes related to egyptian, sci-fi, post-apocalyptic, cyberpunk... there are so many ideas that some are put into practice and very few of them use their potential.

at your opportunity, which game did you create?

 

[Deleted member 5410619]

The first reason of a porn game is to sattify a sexual desire.
Complaining about porn in porn games is like complaining about violance in an action movie.

That said i would like to have more games and less:
Skip until sex scene crap.

Fun fact:
Porn games are better at showing evil characters then hollywood is.
It sucks when a single or small group can deliver better story then overpayed proffesionals.

 

[travis-t]

I think the genre is pretty stagnated by and large as well, and leaving aside the monetary issues of games getting shut down and censored ad nauseum, a lot of it just has to do with bad writing I think. Because most of the games are OCs and not parody work, my interest in the characters or what is happening is reliant entirely on how much I enjoy the characters or plot that is going on. Unfortunately, when I start a game and try to get into it, hitting grammatical errors, bad syntax, misspelled words, etc. multiple times in the first 5 minutes makes me go into options and turn the skip option on.

Then, even with the ones where that is not an issue, there is often little to no actual plot going on besides getting laid, and that doesn't do much for character interest either. If it's a parody like Sunsetriders' Something Unlimited, it doesn't really matter as much since I can bring the plot of the actual show to mind to fill out the characters (though I do think he does a fairly good job with that game's writing for how big it's gotten). But if my game is OCs and the main quest is to bang the random bimbo at the bar who has no prior emotional connection to the main character established, nor does the main character have anything else going on in his life for the plot to advance upon, then I'm pretty much done with it as soon as I've gotten that girl. And then another girl is added and it's rinse repeat until it's just tired.

The Eternum game by Carybdis does a great job though of intertwining sexual interest, action plot sequences, and jokes. It even goes so far as to actually have characters I don't want to bang in the plot to fill out the world, which is something most of these games don't do. It feels like you could take the porn out of it and it'd be a real story/game all on it's own. While that's not a necessary standard, it does keep me coming back for more every update because I'm excited to see where the plot will actually advance to. It also doesn't let me just bang every chick up front, it spoon feeds you increasingly erotic and sexual situations so you don't burn out quickly. In example, if the game starts immediately and I'm already banging a girl raw in the booty hole, there's not a whole lot more intense it can go without getting into fetish territory.

TLDR: I like my porn with plot and pacing, and I appreciate the rare games that deliver both.

 

[Geigi]

I prefer to read erotic books and fanfiction than playing porn games. Even when playing games I check for the female protagonist thats written by a woman, so while guys are sick of same plot in games, girls are sick of otome games for the setting that's usually high school or history setting. There are so many variety and ideas, but it's like no one is interested in writing them. If you can't write, draw or program the game then it is what it is. I know that some of the fanfic writers are doing commission, so you can pay for them writing the story how you want and what you want.

 

[CardinalRed]

many creators tend to follow just for money

What money? Less than 1% of creators make a barely decent wage with their projects

 

[haksaw]

The problem is, western porn games is just that - porn games. And I don't get why it is so. In Japan nukige is just a subgenre and there are tons of H games with 3-4 or even a single sex scene per 30 hours of reading. Those games are obviously not based around sex and, like I've said, there are tons of them. But I'm yet to see a single game like that from western developers, it's either no sex at all or sex at every corner. Why is that I wonder.

 

[DawnCry]

you must probably be sick of watching another game where the protagonist managed to make a harem of all the women in his neighborhood or ate his whole family... these types of repetition just to earn some money and simply put his foot down.

I see no issue having a setting over and over, another thing is when it always develops the same. There is no problem about using a common trope but what you need to do is add a personality to the game and that's the main problem, many game developers have 0 idea about what to create or how characters have to interact with each other.

Related to game ideas that I would find interesting to create if I was a developer I will introduce just one of them to not make it too long lol:

a) Prison commander: You are a young general that had dreams of protecting his country and defeating the current enemies of the kingdom, however to your surprise you weren't designated to the battlefield but rather got a strange job as "prison commander", following your orders you arrived at the designated prison and finally learnt what your job is about, the current prison is under a heavy riot in which criminals have taken almost all the prison, fortunately the prisoners disputes have prevented them to unite against the guards last line of defense.

After learning the situation you will also notice that this was a prison for female and futanari criminals and your objective is to fully subjugate the place without pushing the criminals to unite.

Characteristics:

-Simple strategy game with territory management, conquer and maintain as many parts of the prison as possible without incurring the full wrath of the prisoners

-Rescue separated guard groups that are currently trapped in different places before it's too late and the multiple prisoner's gangs get to them.

-Romance prisoners and guards alike, however be careful about their intentions and don't trust them easily!.

-Level up your character and increase your strength thanks to the fights against the prisoners.

-Be careful of rebellions! not all guards are in the clean, no one knows how the riot started and that's very weird, how many of the guards are actually clean?!

-The prisoners can capture the MC or other guards, save them before it's too late!.

-Will you be the dominant partner or the submissive one? establish a harem or be part of one? will you accomplish your mission and solve the riot or be overwhelmed by it?.

Characters:

-Prisoner Ilya (female): Her crime was establishing a sex cult around her, she managed to manipulate multiple villages into believing she is a goddess and got quite a lot of fanatical believers. She enjoys the most to be worshiped, especially in the sexual aspect.

-Prisoner Lyssette (futanari): A very serious offender that used her mind control powers and her looks to impregnate females all around the kingdom, she was caught after getting cocky and starting to make a harem around herself, oddly enough she seems to have enjoyed being in prison.

-Prisoners Daria and Jess (female and futanari): They were slave trainers, which is an illegal activity because the kingdom is against slavery, they seem to have some sort of relationship with each other and are capable of breaking even the strongest will.

-Guard captain Ladia (futanari): She is overall competent in her job, albeit she tends to abuse her power to have fun especially with captured prisoners, likes to be in control but is obedient towards superiors.

-Guard Amelia (female): She is currently in a bad situation, when the riot started she and a few of her fellow guards managed to maintain the canteen, which had enough food to sustain themselves, unfortunately they are surrounded by the 3 main prisoner gangs and it will be hard to rescue them.

-Guard Vanessa (female): She is serious about her job but unfortunately she is a bit of a clutz, she tends to make some mistakes but overall she is a competent one.

-Guard Elyss (female): She is a good fighter however she has some M tendencies, has some fantasies about being raped by prisoners and submitting to their will, after the MC arrived to the prison she was constantly imagining being forced by the commander and it got added as one of her fantasies.



Overall I actually have some other ideas cause I like to think about concepts, like one that is a dungeon crawler in which characters can be affected by multiple curses that would influence their fetishes and how they act with each other but that's about it, I'm a fan of games with gameplay and that has risk/challenge with appropiate rewards.

 

[nulnil]

Because alot of people are straight-up not creative. Besides that, most of these developers are first-timers or are similarly new to coding and can't make anything very complex.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

but hardly any game that you look at and say: "damn this game is so amazing!" but like I said it's pretty hard but why?

Legendary games are legendary precisely because they take an absolute fuck-ton of effort, and creativity, and time, and everything - to make. Any random yolo can make some garbage, but to make some higher-level item you need a lot of stuff, and quite a bit of luck.
Kind of like cooking, to make a high quality dish, you need quality ingredients and skilled cooks.

 

[Wankyudo]

What money? Less than 1% of creators make a barely decent wage with their projects

Pshh, obviously if you make a porn game using the same exact trope as everyone else you're going to become a multi-millionaire by the time your game reaches v.0056721. Definitely not like the vast majority of game devs "super-loaded-patreons" make an average of pennies per month.

 

[haksaw]

Kind of like cooking, to make a high quality dish, you need quality ingredients and skilled cooks.

That's untrue, just like with cooking. Unless "high quality" is some ice cream with gold sprincled on it. But you need neither good ingredients nor some special skills to make a tasty dish. Some dishes require those and some don't. So if you don't have access to some (or any) of that, you just choose the fitting recipe for what you have. Same with games, really. Tetris required no exceptional effort or time to make, just creativity. And that can be said about many games. Some games have shit graphics and no story, but great gameplay and that is enough to make them good. Others have nothing but good art direction and that is still enough to make them enjoyable. But it's undeniable that a game should have at least one outstanding or unique thing goint for it.

 

[aura-dev]

The problem is, western porn games is just that - porn games. And I don't get why it is so. In Japan nukige is just a subgenre and there are tons of H games with 3-4 or even a single sex scene per 30 hours of reading. Those games are obviously not based around sex and, like I've said, there are tons of them. But I'm yet to see a single game like that from western developers, it's either no sex at all or sex at every corner. Why is that I wonder.

Check the reviews on games with lower sexual content and you might see an indication as to why some western h-devs might be afraid of going down that route.

 

[anne O'nymous]

The first reason of a porn game is to sattify a sexual desire.

Probably the reason why the forum present itself as a place where you'll find "adult games", and not "porn games".

Complaining about porn in porn games is like complaining about violance in an action movie.

Yet there's games where it's legit to complain about the sex content, like there's action movies where it's legit to complain about the violence. Not because of its present by itself, but because the way it's inserted in the story.

Imagine an action movie where the Hero punch everyone he met. He enter a bar to take a beer, he start a fight. He exit the bar to go back home, he cross some punks that he'll punch. He enter his building, he cross his drunk neighbor and punch him... And this is just the first two minutes of the movie.
This wouldn't be a movie, just a ridiculous pretext to picture a guy who punch people. And there's adult games that are like this, having a potentially interesting story but also sex behind every corner, totally unjustified and that come out of nowhere.
The Guardian (now rule7 banned) was like that. Not that the story was really interesting, but the MC couldn't see a girl without fucking her. One time he was in hurry to save the life of this sister, goes to say it to two girls, fucked each of them, and don't even said that he was leaving to save his sister's life. It was really ridiculous and, when the game was still available, many reviews contained something along the line of "the sex is so annoyingly invading the story that I skip it most of the time".

Not that you can't have purely fappable games, but the cost of game making is lower than the cost of movie making, so be a bit more creative and don't put sex for the sole purpose to put sex.

 

[Deleted member 5410619]

Probably the reason why the forum present itself as a place where you'll find "adult games", and not "porn games".




Yet there's games where it's legit to complain about the sex content, like there's action movies where it's legit to complain about the violence. Not because of its present by itself, but because the way it's inserted in the story.

Imagine an action movie where the Hero punch everyone he met. He enter a bar to take a beer, he start a fight. He exit the bar to go back home, he cross some punks that he'll punch. He enter his building, he cross his drunk neighbor and punch him... And this is just the first two minutes of the movie.
This wouldn't be a movie, just a ridiculous pretext to picture a guy who punch people. And there's adult games that are like this, having a potentially interesting story but also sex behind every corner, totally unjustified and that come out of nowhere.
The Guardian (now rule7 banned) was like that. Not that the story was really interesting, but the MC couldn't see a girl without fucking her. One time he was in hurry to save the life of this sister, goes to say it to two girls, fucked each of them, and don't even said that he was leaving to save his sister's life. It was really ridiculous and, when the game was still available, many reviews contained something along the line of "the sex is so annoyingly invading the story that I skip it most of the time".

Not that you can't have purely fappable games, but the cost of game making is lower than the cost of movie making, so be a bit more creative and don't put sex for the sole purpose to put sex.

Fire is hot.
Water is wet.
Bad stories exist.

 

[ShinyDarkRai]

The problem is, western porn games is just that - porn games. And I don't get why it is so. In Japan nukige is just a subgenre and there are tons of H games with 3-4 or even a single sex scene per 30 hours of reading. Those games are obviously not based around sex and, like I've said, there are tons of them. But I'm yet to see a single game like that from western developers, it's either no sex at all or sex at every corner. Why is that I wonder.

Simple answer: Because that's what sells. You want more and more people to take a look at your game and play it. But what would you advertise your game with? Hmm... what is the main reason people play porn games? Porn. This is what you advertise the game with and put it as much as you can. You see I was desperately trying to get people to play my game but most people ignored it because there isn't much content in-game.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Fire is hot.

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Bad stories exist.

It's not a question of story, but how the main element of the genre is inserted inside the said story. A story by itself is nothing, and your view over it is directly linked to the way it's presented to you.
This isn't a just question of writing, before anything else, it's the way the story is handled and then presented to you. Depending on the distance you put between the viewer/player and the story, and depending on what you'll focus on, the story will be perceived differently, and then seen and good or bad, independently of its own qualities. Take His Dark Materials, or Eragon, by example. For those who read the books, they are interesting stories, but for those who only watched the movies, they are shitty as hell stories.

 

[CardinalRed]

Simple answer: Because that's what sells.

Says who? People who talk that way think that monkeys can do what we do.

Go watch mad men, it's a great show.

 

[SoulsSurvivor]

What money? Less than 1% of creators make a barely decent wage with their projects

That doesn't mean tons of developers don't make these games and just games in general to make a quick buck.

 

[CardinalRed]

That doesn't mean tons of developers don't make these games and just games in general to make a quick buck.

And it almost never works, but people should try regardless. I think the problem solves itself out.

 

[herbstpoet]

I admit I didn't read most posts here but I did read the OP.

I don't remember who it was but some famous film maker (Scorsese?) once said: "A kids movie that can only be enjoyed by kids isn't a good movie."
I think this can somewhat be translated to porn games. A porn game that doesn't work without the porn isn't a good game. A good porn game can be enjoyed even if you would remove or skip all the porn stuff. Those games exist, but they are very rare. At the moment I could say that about 2 or 3 games at best.