RPGM The Last Sovereign [v0.77.2] [Sierra Lee]

[Waxer]

None of this is his fault. The game makes clear that Wendis' death isn't his fault. Wynn is the one who lost the friendship, because of the whole "desecrating the bodies of loved ones". His defeat in the prologue is shown as the Chosen's fault for being a little shit.


And there was no negative consequences whatsoever. It's also shown as being Megail's fault. She's the one who ends up apologizing when she realizes she was being silly for no reason. But I still liked this part, since it's the closest to an actual mistake on Simon's part.


I wouldn't call that a failure on his part. He did his very best given the hand he was delt. He made absolutely no mistake or error, he just got terribly unlucky.


My point exactly.

To be fair, he's sort of given very discreet character arcs. He comments on his psychological blindspots, try to correct them, etc. But it's just fluff in some dialogues, with very little overall impact.

I don't think I understand your definition of failure then? To me a failure would be any time things don't just automatically go his way, despite his intentions or desire. Things are never easy street for him, as I stated before most of chapter one felt like two steps forward would always add on step back. Progress, but with repeated setbacks.

Is your criticism Simon has never made a completely and utterly wrong and fool hardy action in a event that could have completely been avoided and no one else was involved or to blame except for him?

I guess he's never decided to do anything like slam his erect cock in a door for no reason so that makes him a Gary stu? But I don't know why you single him out, as it is not like anyone else makes over the top mistakes like that. It's not like Aka has ever decided to yolo it and murder the wrong person. And Robin doesn't set children on fire.

The only "Big" mistake I can see like that in the game is Ginasta getting mind warped by the fucklord and wrecking havoc. But using your logic I could just counter and say "She wasn't at fault, it was the Fucklord who made her do it."

So again, I really do not understand what you are looking for in the "Failure" that would stop making Simon a gary Stu. But I would love to know an example.


To me, A gary/Mary stu is a character who is effortlessly the best and loved by everyone almost instantly. And that doesn't really apply to Simon. Let's remember it took him THREE CHAPTERS (and several in-game years) to beat his first Incubus King. And even then it was quite clearly the victory of several nations of the content, not just Simon alone. To me a Gary stu would be if someone saw "Oh you peeps have been at war for 40 years, Wabam I killed the Incubus King in one day, I'm da best." Things don't just come effortlessly to Simon, it always feels earned.

And the same goes for Simon's social interactions, yes Women do tend to fling themselves at his dick, but it's not always so easy. The fact that the Empress literally made Simon eat his own cum at one point should disqualify him from Gary stu status forever!

Lastly I think I didn't properly explain what I meant with solo arcs. I meant that NO ONE has solo arcs. Every Arc is someone & Simon. Everyone who has had their arc, has had it WITH Simon.
The Empress learns to enjoy life again- because of Simon.
Nalili learns to grow up- with Simon.
Carina works through her faith- Talking with Simon.
Wynn and Simon work through their grief.

So Simon doesn't have one big solo arc, he is part of the subplot arc of every other character in the game. You can call these arcs "fluff" if you'd like, but I like them almost as much as I do the Pron. Almost.

 

[Daken9]

That would be very, very cliché tbh
Simobi-wan

Oh, i agree, but keeping it Star Wars, imagine Obi-Wan as the protagonist of A New Hope. Movie would have bombed so hard it's not even funny. Even with Sir Alec Guinness giving it his best it would have been two hours of an old white knight with subtle PTSD going around, amazing everyone and making right decisions. And it's not that Obi-Wan is a gary stu, it's just how it'd be if he were given reins at that point of his life and if we were dropped in his shoes with no prior knowledge of his background.

In other words, some cliches ain't all that bad They can be avoided and subverted, sure, but they need very careful writing.

And, honestly, regarding Simon, i think he's a character best suited for visual for visual media or an actual book. Without facial or body clues, tone and the like, most of his reactions to stuff just fall flat for me, therefore giving a meaningless quality to what he's reacting to.

To give an idea of what i'm talking about, think of the whole thing with Robin, then drop in there some winces, some frowns, some blushes and embarassment, and suddenly it feels like two emotionally stunted people coping with their feelings rather than two droids discussing the morality of humping one's daughter.

Same with Simon's anger at Wynn. Even if inside he's furious, all i'm seeing is mild annoyance. "Because he is the kind of character to react that way," yes, sure, but i still need more to believe it, such as reading his thoughts or seeing his face. Something that can actually clue me in and connect me to him.

It's just not the right media, imo, to portray an extremely stoic and controlled guy. For those of us who are not so willing to fill the blanks, we're missing 3/4 of his character.

 

[monk_56]

Ehhhhhhhhh. Simon is a great character. 90% of characters MC in smut material with male MC are either some dumb-ass horny-kids or abusive manipulative assholes. He is extremely refreshing and I find his mindset and his stoicism relatable and warming.

 

[baneini]

Simon is a great character.

Describe Simon without mentioning what he looks like, what he wears, or what his profession or role in the game is.
Describe him to someone who never played tls.

 

[Fanvor]

Describe Simon without mentioning what he looks like, what he wears, or what his profession or role in the game is.
Describe him to someone who never played tls.

Idealist stoic.

 

[monk_56]

Describe Simon without mentioning what he looks like, what he wears, or what his profession or role in the game is.
Describe him to someone who never played tls.

Is this..... supposed to be hard?

Simon is a man haunted by his past; desperate to make a change in the world, but reticent about making the right changes.

His general ennui with the status quo make him a bit of a jaded old dude- but only in regards to specific aspects of the world- not the entirety of it.

He is a pragmatist who is willing to incorporate new ideas and strategies as situations develop

He is a selfless lover who values his partners well-being and pleasure sometimes to the fault of feeling guilty about his own.

He has a great poker face and doesn't allow all his emotions to bleed everywhere when talking to his enemies or his friends.

He is a a clever man who possess a great understanding of rhetorical skills and can bend the actions of others with the use of just words.

He is intellectually curious- he wants to know how things work and has a broad understanding of many topics as a result

He is a romantic- who values the entirety of a being and has trouble appreciating the sexuality of people he doesn't find the inner beauty of.

He is a big ol' softie...

 

[Daken9]

Is this..... supposed to be hard?

Simon is a man haunted by his past; desperate to make a change in the world, but reticent about making the right changes.

His general ennui with the status quo make him a bit of a jaded old dude- but only in regards to specific aspects of the world- not the entirety of it.

He is a pragmatist who is willing to incorporate new ideas and strategies as situations develop

He is a selfless lover who values his partners well-being and pleasure sometimes to the fault of feeling guilty about his own.

He has a great poker face and doesn't allow all his emotions to bleed everywhere when talking to his enemies or his friends.

He is a a clever man who possess a great understanding of rhetorical skills and can bend the actions of others with the use of just words.

He is intellectually curious- he wants to know how things work and has a broad understanding of many topics as a result

He is a romantic- who values the entirety of a being and has trouble appreciating the sexuality of people he doesn't find the inner beauty of.

He is a big ol' softie...

No offense, i got sleepy just reading that

 

[monk_56]

No offense, i got sleepy just reading that

That is fair. Not everyone has to like the character Simon is, or find him interesting or relatable- but someone denying he is a character doesn't really feel like an accurate criticism.

I found the idea of playing as a Chosen character you floated earlier incredibly cliche, and banal - people do have different tastes in things

I Myself; I like him. I find his character relatable to the way I think myself and I find him likable, interesting and fun to play as.

 

[Daken9]

That is fair. Not everyone has to like the character Simon is, or find him interesting or relatable- but someone denying he is a character doesn't really feel like an accurate criticism.

I found the idea of playing as a Chosen character you floated earlier incredibly cliche, and banal - people do have different tastes in things

I Myself; I like him. I find his character relatable to the way I think myself and I find him likable, interesting and fun to play as.

Cool I was just kidding before, by the way.

Well, i really actually yawned due to Simon-related PTSD, but we're all allowed to like what we like

 

[Druid]

Something I've found funny reading these comments lately is the desire for a "traditional" mind controlling main character. I've watched this game develop from the very beginning, played the original demo, and can honestly say that the game isn't for everyone. At it's core I think it's really picking fun at the major people who complain on porn game pages. Each IK represents a different person:

Incubus Emperor represents the people with the short attention span and who feel the need for every fetish of theirs to be added to a game.

The Fucklord represents those people who think anyone having sex with anyone other than them is NTR and that all the girls belong to them.

The Lustlord is the person who really represents passive acquisitions who wants the best stuff with the least work, he's not abusive, just neglective.

At the end of the day, this isn't really a fap game and anyone who comes here expecting that is going to be disappointed. It's really more like a traditional RPG that happens to use sex and erotic content as it's basis. The arguing back and forth is pretty pointless. Those who came here for what the game is won't be discouraged by haters complaining, while the people who came here expecting a fuck 'em all traditional MC will never be happy that this isn't that game. Shrug your shoulders and move on.

 

[intelpentiuminside]

Is there any downside to using all copies of Trin in sabotaging House Jade quest? I got enough, but still 3 to spare.

 

[Deathwings]

Is there any downside to using all copies of Trin in sabotaging House Jade quest? I got enough, but still 3 to spare.

If you want the best result, then you need to copy everyone you can copy in that game section minus the three clerks that meet at the bar. If you've gotten every other clerks, then those three aren't needed.

 

[Waxer]

Is there any downside to using all copies of Trin in sabotaging House Jade quest? I got enough, but still 3 to spare.

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[Steamystevie]

hey guys, I went back from 0.54 to this current version. Can anyone help me? this game used to be playable on joiplay emulator (emulator app on android), but the current version is said to be unsupported. What happened, did the game change its format or something? Thanks!

 

[Lolicon Kami]

I prefer Simon precisely because he is different from what's usually done especially in porn games, he also fits the game. I get why others may not though we all like or bounce of different characters why variety is good.

Would've definitely liked Kalant to have a bigger role though, similar to Orcent. It'd have been very interesting seeing Simon mentor a chosen he could actually work with and seeing Kalant grow. He feels like a missed opportunity in that regard.

Hopefully he can step up later on in the game

 

[Goi]

Kalant isn't a chosen anymore, the implication is that chosen mind-set and appearance is sort of part of the power givin to them by, almost like a worse version of the incubus shards now I think about it since you either take the mind-set and the power of reject the mind-set and the power

 

[manscout]

It's been a while since I played does anyone know when can you lock Orilise, Lynine and Carina's affection?

You can do all of those except Carina for the time being.

 

[Rugerrell6]

Who are everyones favorite girls? Non Harem members included. This game has so many great characters I dont hate qum dumpe but I like the other 3 Succubi characters alot better. But my favorites are Orilise, Nalili and Megail. Orilise is great and with her scheming she could of just as easily been a antagonist plus elves are just always sexy. Nalili is gorgeous and the most loveable naive slut and an amazing warrior at the same time. And Megail is just so easy to love her intelligence is really sexy. Best body goes to Esthera tho in my opinion.

 

[monk_56]

Who are everyones favorite girls?

Orcent is the best girl

I posted my favorite characters earlier so I'll copy that- but I'll add one more for you since you listed 3 and requested girls.

Orcent, Sarai, and Megail for me- in that order.
All of them are interesting juxtapositions, Orcent is the juxtaposition of sapience and beastliness, Sarai is a juxtaposition of faith and disbelief (also megacute), and Megail is a juxtaposition of ruthlessness and kindness.

Finally- Tyna: what is not to love about pure-hearted, bookish, red-headed queens who are criminally devoted to their countries. I wish she was a LI so badly.

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

Who are everyones favorite girls? Non Harem members included. This game has so many great characters I dont hate qum dumpe but I like the other 3 Succubi characters alot better. But my favorites are Orilise, Nalili and Megail. Orilise is great and with her scheming she could of just as easily been a antagonist plus elves are just always sexy. Nalili is gorgeous and the most loveable naive slut and an amazing warrior at the same time. And Megail is just so easy to love her intelligence is really sexy. Best body goes to Esthera tho in my opinion.

Aka, Esthera, Hilstara, Riala and Megail in that order would probably be my top 5. Least favourite is Robin (not her character more wish I could avoid any romance).

My favourite character in the game is Orcent though.