RPGM The Last Sovereign [v0.80.6] [Sierra Lee]
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lostone2
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Here is a save just before the new content. It's not superoptimized, but it should serve you well enough.
So maybe this is a stupid question that has been asked elsewhere a billion times that I can't find, but...
I'm curious how recommended it would be to restart my game if I haven't played it in the past ~2 years?
I'm pretty far in it, just started Chapter 5, and I spent a lot of time in my file making sure I did everything I could and optimizing things. I took a rest after Chapter 4 because I wanted to wait for the game to be finished before bumping up against where it stopped, and now that so many patches have come out and the game still isn't done, I'm wondering if it's all added stuff that's only relevant in Chapter 5 besides some art, or if there are significant changes to previous Chapters of the game that I've missed out on, either in terms of story/character content or events/checks that will affect how Chapter 5 plays out?
Basic version of the question is... have patches since Ch. 5 first came out only added art and Ch.5 content, or should I restart despite having put over 100 hours into my file already?
I'm curious how recommended it would be to restart my game if I haven't played it in the past ~2 years?
I'm pretty far in it, just started Chapter 5, and I spent a lot of time in my file making sure I did everything I could and optimizing things. I took a rest after Chapter 4 because I wanted to wait for the game to be finished before bumping up against where it stopped, and now that so many patches have come out and the game still isn't done, I'm wondering if it's all added stuff that's only relevant in Chapter 5 besides some art, or if there are significant changes to previous Chapters of the game that I've missed out on, either in terms of story/character content or events/checks that will affect how Chapter 5 plays out?
Basic version of the question is... have patches since Ch. 5 first came out only added art and Ch.5 content, or should I restart despite having put over 100 hours into my file already?
Fulminato
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if you try to optimize the game you should know the fact of any patch can change the field and require a rework for earlier chapter.
this update release one of the most important event for optimization. community don't had reach a consensus yet (as consensus is possible) but il change investment planning from the ardford summit. so basically 2/3 of the game.
the contnent implemented it's only in progrssive order (some quest can perhaps done earlier, but will be alwasy aviable in the most up to date save) but this mean little for the optimization.
i you played the game even a bit you should know don't exist a "secondary harem" in this game. each character is integrate in the story to make one of them optional will make the event flow crumble
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Maybe an OT, but imho there's no harem in TLS at all, at least not in a classic sense of the word. (Sorry, Yarra!) More like Simon sharing community of heavily armed and lethal women (and some woman-like creatures).
It's incredibly rare to find a "classic" harem in a porn game, since they usually wind up having them engaging in sexual relations with eachother as well. That's basically the standard of the modern western interpretation/adaptaption of a harem.Maybe an OT, but imho there's no harem in TLS at all, at least not in a classic sense of the word. (Sorry, Yarra!) More like Simon sharing community of heavily armed and lethal women (and some woman-like creatures).
In case it's not obvious an "actual", or as you put it "classic" harem is sex only for and with the man. That's it.
The women are there only for his gratification and no one else's. Not even their own. That's something that absolutely wouldn't work in this game, and the majority of porn games.
Tanurak
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lmao back this far? and a lot of people thought that anything before Chapter 4 wouldn't need to be touched again.
now imagine reworking the entire thing all the way back to Ardford for this update, just to have to do it again when Sierra releases whatever she prepared for the Final Battle, especially when she subtitled that thing with
What the hell are you talking about ? the problem is solved by a small edit of the plot where everyone does not fuck each other and disabling scenes of scenes where this character appears. for some minor character who appears a couple of times and 95% of the time is behind the scenes, it shouldn't be difficult. the plot of this game is worked out enough not to stay on one sex.
Like I said, it's very apparent you've never designed a game or written a story in your life, if you think this is a SMALL change.
Here is a fun idea: You try to come up with an example of some main character you would like to make optional, and I very carefully explain to you why that would be an absolute nightmare in terms of game development and writing.
To be clear, are you saying that the changes affect what an optimal investment strategy would be that far back? Or that a choice made back then has consequences to new content?
I don't mind living with consequences of choices I made back then, even if there are new outcomes that weren't predictable at the time. I just want to make sure I'm not missing some major content, or there aren't unique things that will largely affect the fifth chapter that I've missed.
An example would be like if there's a new collectible item that was recently implemented that will make a big difference in the end of the game, or if there's some new relationship that you'd need to have been building up from Ch.2 in order to get max affection by Ch. 5, or things like that.
Fulminato
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100K OoS, Shit Mage, Ardford Supplier
most of game before chapter 4 (chapter 4 optimzing speaking start with the investment round after the war) is ironed out.
but there is some room, expecially for the three investment i write above.
and to mudle the water more we will have anoter return round, and nalili quest it's probable to change the return of few investment. the naval guild return is so increased to make the investment a possibility to evaluate.
i reworked my optimized playthough basically after each chapter 4 major event, and minor adjustment for the event in chapter 5. (starting with succubus tower before erosia invasion for return to stineford)
for anyone interested in optimization he's well aware of it.
but ardan succession resolution was a major block before because you don't know how much resource you need to divert from pure profit investment to be able to shot down ardan candidate at the start of chapter 4. for donovan best result you should need 1M investment, usualy the war monument or social 40 for best result with luanell, but they seem no needed, shit mage can help, if take givini tunnels investment and when for gwanfall... there are a lot of moving part.
I mean I hate to be the "I told you guy" to Fulminato and all the guys blindly following his playthrough... But I told you so, and so did a ton of other people.
There was no scenario where getting the monument early was a necessary precaution. The Return to Stineford section made that abundantly clear, in both statistics (Donovan's suitor score reduced to 0, even without the monument) AND dialogue (Something along the lines of "this has ruined all of Donovans chances at Tyna's hand")
The only thing the "Early Monument" players have done for themselves, is cost themselves the carthasis of buying up hundreds of thousands in additional investments in every playthrough they've done since 2018
There was no scenario where getting the monument early was a necessary precaution. The Return to Stineford section made that abundantly clear, in both statistics (Donovan's suitor score reduced to 0, even without the monument) AND dialogue (Something along the lines of "this has ruined all of Donovans chances at Tyna's hand")
The only thing the "Early Monument" players have done for themselves, is cost themselves the carthasis of buying up hundreds of thousands in additional investments in every playthrough they've done since 2018
Fulminato
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and people were absolutely sure the switch "annah agree" in FL synod vote was crucial in the future. i totally disagree, it's just change annah reply to bertricia on the matter of the resource church must invest against estaven, and i was right.
some time i'm right, some time i'm wrong.
there are situation without the absolutely best you will be screwed. for example in the synod the FL vote, or you reach the best... or you lose at least one orc. and major eustrin is crucial to trigger eustrin final event without expend extra resource for it. there are situation the bare minimun is enough (horde battle the first coming in mind)
the whole succession is very tamed compared other section, in backslash for don't divert to much resource in that section.
and "zero is translate in impossibile" it's just a notch above buzzwords. the real question where the threshold SL will place at score resoultion. and the big payout is lower donovan at 1, not zero.
and everyone making optimization alwasy said "before succession part 2 it's pure guessing". people stop heavy optimization effort for years awaiting this event (me included)
Tanurak
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Honestly there is a chance someone working on optimization will have a mental breakdown up until the end of the game but I believe for the majority of them, they are actually enjoying having to rework their choices and then replaying the game.
Also Ardan Sucession is 5 years old at this point, that I thought that the early War Monument path existed primarily for the +3 Social then it was for to fuck with Donovan.
Also Ardan Sucession is 5 years old at this point, that I thought that the early War Monument path existed primarily for the +3 Social then it was for to fuck with Donovan.
Fulminato
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on the wiki there are at least three partial walkthrough, and at least in one case was a mental breakdown.
the war monument grant a few "plus". the +10 givini mean givini orc return is boosted by a step, +3 social, donovan reduction, elleani rp...
but social 40 don't seem required either. so the appetibility of the monument is greatly reduced.
another "outdated" optimization is aim at best hsopitality threshold for fheliel rp. absoultely not needed. but when was clear it the optimization was mostly on hold awaiting this update.
one of the last advance in optimization was the skip of shrine rennovation in aid station in chapter 3, the little pron gain from it was a significative breakthrough for chapter 4 optimization.
How much more content is there? I played it like a couple of years ago and it was awesome. It ended at the dwarf queen breeding questline i think? If anyone answers this - thank you very much.
lostone2
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Quite a bit, if your last play was in the Return to Eustrin section. Apart from various open ended sections (3 if I'm counting right) there is another Gathering with the other other Incubus Kings, a major conflict with three very distinct phases, and we are now in a huge open world section with quite a few sidequests and some plot sections (the latest update brings the finale of the Ardan Succession crisis that started in early chapter 4).
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The number of discussions about "Annah Agree" compared to discussions on the early monument strategy is like 1:100. Really not the same thing.
You're absolutely right that there are situations that require the best resutls possible, but Sierra also tends to drop major explicit hints when you really don't need to invest more effort into something. Like when the game literally tells you that Donovan has absolutely no shot at Tyna in Stineford.
What has been bugging me about this whole thing is that you have been adamantly arrogant and elitist when it comes to your specific playthrough for years now, encouraging new players to stick strictly to it, when they would likely have had a far more enjoyable experience with a less economically constrictive playthrough that would have allowed them to do so many more things with the insane additional quantities of Pron.
Hmm, I've just played this game up to the Elven Kingdom, and just couldn't handle the disparity. If I had to give it my two-cent, this game was pretty much made by a woman, for women, despite the MC being male. There were a lot of subtle cues, whether it was an exception to having all male incubi, but no exception to the dumb chosens or even the orcs. It's just a parody of how dumb men are, whether how all incubi are stupid, except for, you know, the only female incubus. The chosen of Ivalia all dumb men, all orcs are dumb creatures who can't control their lust, and can be put in a pot to mold their behavior to your liking- and all just happens to be male. The only one who isn't all retarded is MC, and that's because he respects all women and think they're god's miracle on earth. There are three gods- goddess', because there can't be a male god, because males having power is illegal. And sure, you could chalk it up to this being a male fantasy harem, but it wouldn't take away from some fundamental issues, like the only character who is most ideal in being a male, just happens to be an unwomen who you can't thrust into, or how all the priests- priestesses for the god of magic helping the city, are women. Oh yeah, there was a male elf too in the slums who was a chief, he was pretty much useless and saved by Altina. Pretty much aside from MC, any and all men are incompetent creatures who only wants to thrust and get abused by women.
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succession crisis release: 03/2018
synod release: 12/2018
return to stineford release: 11/2019
succession crisis 2 release: 5/2023
the time passed between the switch implementation (synod release) and the point was obviously the switch was irrilevant (return to stineford release) is less then a year. for the succession crisis it's over 5 years. it's obviously the first was discussed a lot less.
and even if the time was egual, it's immaterial. it's one point i were right. color me as someone stubborning take alwasy the wrong guessing it is a bit unfair.
and donovan don't have any chance from the start, his score it's a measure of how much a nuisance he is.
and the thing the critic said "in the first part 0 mean impossible, so 0 is the target to aim" is false as well, the target to aim it's 1. because what where in the first succession mean nothing outside the clod number. and only the threshold in the second part have some value. and the value for donovan it's 1, not zero. not -1
i never encuraged anyone to use my playtrough, if someone was asking some guide i alwasy pointed the only two roughly up to date, thosha and mine. and thosha guide is a lot more friendly. and is in the wiki (where mine is just a bullet list on pastebin) and as most optimized after return to stineford i stopped any serious effort to optimize more because the weight carried by the unsolved succession was simply to big and the last event don't require a lot of prerequisite to complete in a satisfactory way.
but this is true for any optimized, even thosha have done the bare minimum to keep is playthrough up to date.
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