Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.7b] [Ron Chon]

[abada25]

I think the intention (going top left to bottom right) is

Normal Wear | Undressed | Gym | Swimsuit | Date Night | Spicy Time | Sleep Wear | Cold Weather

The situation you're describing may just be a small bug.

I wonder how exactly Spicy Time works, I (kinda) get how normal/undressed works but it is still a mystery.

 

[Testerguy19]

I'm figuring everything out pretty well this is really well done

 

[RedPandaExpress]

Oh my god that's so cheeky! I don't think the non-code members of the team even knew about this!

Speaking of the code though. (Keeping things mostly simple so non-coders can appreciate what it means)

1) Its remarkably readable, once it is unpacked. (If perhaps lacking in documentation)

This is really great because it means that if/when they want to expand their team, there isn't going to be nearly as much headache with getting somebody up to speed. I'm only average with python and I could already actually code up Logan as a phone contact just by filling in my lack of knowledge of RonChon's coding by referencing the girl's templates. Hell, if I had the assets, I could add Lockheed as a Love Interest just as easily.

2) It is far more nuanced than I expected in places. There are more random variables and specific conditions than I've been able to track down via gameplay.

Beyond the quirks (which are neat and do have their own unique dialogue if discouraged albeit dialogue I haven't been able to consistently trigger), there are multiple variations for a lot of conversations. Some of it is a little simplistic just now (50% this, 25% that, otherwise the other) but this is another framework that allows easy expansion of conditions.

Ex. Right now it would be easy to have a variable forgiveness loop so that instead of just having it be "Kitty stays mad at you until the next day or you buy her a gift", it scales. So instead she starts mad, but the history check shows 'you apologized', 'you bought her a gift', and 'high enough love/trust'...so the cooldown adjusts accordingly. Harder for the player? Slightly. Makes things feel much more dynamic with the relationships? Absolutely! Harder to code in? Only just barely.

3) Most of the bugs I've encountered so far? Fixed with less than a whole line of code.

Absolutely not bashing the existence of day 1 bugs or RonChon's work. Honestly there are no shortage of even AAA games with full coding dev teams that can't get it right. Instead, this is about how easy it will be to get this polished up. A menu hook name isn't typed properly here, or the current variable (in the case of modesty) isn't balanced just right. Nothing to it to fix it once you know the bug is there.

Also, on that note...if you know what you are doing and manually remove the modesty factor on the garments the clothing system works like a dream...at least until you have the piercings + sex issue which I am still puzzling over.

 

[Mtgwo]

So... I managed to get a threesome with Anna and Laura by ''accident'', asked Rogue for a kiss and she started the sex encounter, but i can't seem to ask them for it when we are alone, are they supposed to take the iniciative? i'm 1k in each status with them btw.

Once again, played some more and honestly, this is probably the best frist release i've seen aroud here.

 

[RedPandaExpress]

If you or anyone reading this is on your first playthrough, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND that you do not use these cheats. Just making that clear....

Rogue.love=1000
Rogue.trust=1000
Laura.love=1000
Laura.trust=1000
Jean.love=1000
Jean.trust=1000
Player.cash=100000
Player.XP=9999

....

The love and trust commands you'll probably have to use multiple times since they are capped by the main story event and unlock in increments of 250. You can still use those commands though, only when there is an action that affects a character's love or trust, if they are above the allowed cap for that moment they will lose love and trust to keep them in the current max cap.

For instance: if you use the love=1000 command right at the start of the game, when you interact with a character it will say that that character lost 750 love in an interaction. That's because at that point in the game, the cap is 250.

Also adding to this list

Player.stamina
Rogue.stamina
Laura.stamina
Jean.stamina

You can set these via console as well if you really want to have the time to run through all the different sex positions without it exhausting you. These to reset to cap if you go through any actions which would recharge. (Leave makeout and go about the day).

 

[red1988]

what not our hero his story with beginn 4 skill fighter art here with mutant begin like logan art or fire or like yang in rwby you got hit you get stronger or

 

[Floorboards]

So its Saturday, a couple weeks past when I was first prompted to progress seasons but I chose to do so later (Hadn't finished getting X-23 to date me yet). I have the requirements and the fall chapter reads completed but where do i choose to continue the seasons after initially postponing them?

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

So... I managed to get a threesome with Anna and Laura by ''accident'', asked Rogue for a kiss and she started the sex encounter, but i can't seem to ask them for it when we are alone, are they supposed to take the iniciative? i'm 1k in each status with them btw.

Once again, played some more and honestly, this is probably the best frist release i've seen aroud here.

Yeah, that sounds like a bug. I'll pass it on.

what not our hero his story with beginn 4 skill fighter art here with mutant begin like logan art or fire or like yang in rwby you got hit you get stronger or

I have no idea what you're trying to convey here.

So its Saturday, a couple weeks past when I was first prompted to progress seasons but I chose to do so later (Hadn't finished getting X-23 to date me yet). I have the requirements and the fall chapter reads completed but where do i choose to continue the seasons after initially postponing them?

Go to sleep on Friday, alone. We're adding an option to continue to the next season manually in the next update.

 

[Crel]

Also, on that note...if you know what you are doing and manually remove the modesty factor on the garments the clothing system works like a dream...at least until you have the piercings + sex issue which I am still puzzling over.

instead of editing each individual garment, you can modify the threshold checks from a 1 and 0.4 multiplier (public/private threshold) to something else. I did 0.1/0.1. I'm sure this won't be necessary later in the game as exhibitionism and permissiveness levels increase, but it works for now in these early releases and chapters.

I'm curious why you're puzzling over the piercings issue, is it not just missing graphics files for the garment/piercing/position combo? I imagine if you start sex with the girl already nude, there wouldn't be an issue, but I've not checked. That's assuming all the nude with piercing renders exist for each position.

In a related matter, hopefully they can figure out a redesign for how they're handling piercings. Just the few already in the game require multiple renders for each additional clothing piece, and adding new piercings later would require a lot of renders for most existing clothing items to fully implement the new piercing. Intercompatibility between mods that add piercings and clothing will also be all but impossible without compatibility patches. Scalability of the current system seems questionable, but fuck if I know of a better way to handle it. Wonder if any other games/devs have implemented a less labor intensive system of partially visible/protruding under clothing accessories?

 

[RedPandaExpress]

instead of editing each individual garment, you can modify the threshold checks from a 1 and 0.4 multiplier (public/private threshold) to something else. I did 0.1/0.1. I'm sure this won't be necessary later in the game as exhibitionism and permissiveness levels increase, but it works for now in these early releases and chapters.

I'm curious why you're puzzling over the piercings issue, is it not just missing graphics files for the garment/piercing/position combo? I imagine if you start sex with the girl already nude, there wouldn't be an issue, but I've not checked. That's assuming all the nude with piercing renders exist for each position.

In a related matter, hopefully they can figure out a redesign for how they're handling piercings. Just the few already in the game require multiple renders for each additional clothing piece, and adding new piercings later would require a lot of renders for most existing clothing items to fully implement the new piercing. Intercompatibility between mods that add piercings and clothing will also be all but impossible without compatibility patches. Scalability of the current systems seems questionable, but fuck if I know of a better way to handle it. Wonder if any other games/devs have implemented a less labor intensive system of partially visible/protruding under clothing accessories?

I'm puzzling over it because of the way that the game reacts in some cases. It doesn't just give an error sometimes. Instead, it causes the girl's genitals to disappear and drops the action menu. The same thing has happened during sex scenes where initiating a sex act starts the animation and then drops the menus so no further action can be done.

Mostly, I'm trying to get a better feel for how all the different aspects of the code work together because I have features I'd like to try to implement in a test bed. That and it is an excuse to start brushing back up on my python skills which I haven't really used in years.

I agree with the piercings, but I don't know there is a much better way. They've minimized the art that is needed for them by having the layered artwork, which is probably the best they can do. part of the undressing before laying down into missionary serves as a workaround for this since it drastically reduces the potential artwork needed. As far as compatibility between mods, that's a whole other kettle of fish. With the current selection of positions and varying stages of undress, even without accounting for piercings an additional 'dress up mod' would require a pretty beefy amount of artwork to work properly.

 

[itsfickfuckthings]

Two other things:
If you have a girl with you, go to the mall and let her try something on, they change very quickly so that you dont really get a good look at the clothes. Also: if you let them try on panties, they pull their pants up over them quickly so that you dont really see how the panties look.

Also: If you delay to cum you get thrown out of the sex menu and go back to the room, but the sex menu stays on top of the normal room menu. Did anybody else experience this?

Oh and how do i get them to swim and tan in a bikini? sometimes when they are at the pool they already wear bikini, but when i ask them to change from one-suit to bikini they are "really?"

 

[bigjay720]

Now that I've played 0.2a a little(I'm delaying moving on from Winter at the moment to build stronger relationships with the ladies), I'm going to post my thoughts thus far.
Obviously, Rogue-Like(RL) by Oni is a major influence. But I went in trying to see what's different rather than looking for similarities.
So, there's an actual story here, and thus far it's not bad. The ladies have slightly different personalities than in RL and they seems to be more development here as well.
The art is certainly different, I not going to say it's better or worse than RL, because art is subjective, but it is different.
The map could use a little more information, putting labels on the bedrooms for example.
I would also, maybe, increase LOVE and TRUST gains. But that could be me being impatient.
I haven't noticed any humongous typos or bugs except in text messages, and I can chalk those up to modern text messaging.
Overall, Null Hypothesis is a little grindy, but quite fun so far. And I think there's a lot of potential for it to truly become it's own game, and I'm looking forward to seeing more.

 

[Crel]

I'm puzzling over it because of the way that the game reacts in some cases. It doesn't just give an error sometimes. Instead, it causes the girl's genitals to disappear and drops the action menu. The same thing has happened during sex scenes where initiating a sex act starts the animation and then drops the menus so no further action can be done.

No idea about the first issue, but the second sentence might be related to a separate issue entirely. I am completely spitballing here and might be way off. I haven't encountered your specific example, but the game has issues with responsiveness and skipping steps (like applying or removing menus) if you're clicking too fast. IDK what causes it, but certainly noticeable on the 10 year old laptop I have it installed on. Sometimes I have to roll back and click through slower to get stuff to appear. I'm no programmer and know very little of python, so I might be completely off base here, but it makes me wonder if the processing order can be preempted by newer player commands/interactions, causing some unfinished things to not happen, like a new menu overlay being applied.

 

[Floorboards]

Yeah, that sounds like a bug. I'll pass it on.


I have no idea what you're trying to convey here.


Go to sleep on Friday, alone. We're adding an option to continue to the next season manually in the next update.

Thanks for the help, im enjoying all the extra hand holding i can get up to now

 

[red1988]

you creation a hero with you start like rpg you race you simple you a humanoid dragon like skyrim here dann you choase a fighting sytle like use karate art like ryu or ken fighting style or swordmaster like ryu hayabusa or dante dmc like and you can creation story befor start the game ist just mein idea but this you game ron i just a help here you see this hope you like this idea

 

[red1988]

and i not good english subscribed here but i can good english and i understand here

 

[neroxeon]

Issues I've noticed: Laura has errors on first time having sex if nipples pierced. Rogue has error if trying to get nipple pierced, had an error during sex in doggy position if wearing a bra.
error at the pool if swimming with all the girls. Might have to do with the girls(Laura in this case) having cum down their legs
Ui disappears randomly(Corner and interaction bar. Also the sex one, both Jean and Laura had it disappear )

 

[Nizzquizz]

That was a proof of concept build that was leaked without Ron's permission. We're 0.2 because 0.1 was the three day demo we released a few months back.

Oh I know it was more a poc than an actual play build, and I also remember some of the reactions it got .. lots of nay-sayers, to put it polite - so I just wanted to mention it because this makes it even more so amazing of how far this has come .. and so quickly too!

She is a possibility

Already in the works my dude.

I'm ready to book a seat on the hype train, no need to sell me even harder on it.
(..or so he says, but then, secretly, he still goes: "yaaaay! Kitty! =D")

 

[krazy4games]

After sitting with it pretty much all weekend and playing down multiple paths (One for each of the girls plus a poly one), here are my thoughts on the game, in no particular order.

The music is fantastic. Having the background tunes going while navigating around the school is very nice. There's a lot of different tracks as well depending on your location and things like that, which is also a huge plus.

The art is spectacular as well. I'll admit, it did take me a little bit to come around to the 'realism' type drawings for the girls, but it feels natural and is done well. There's already been talk of "touch ups" on the art to make it look more polished, but as it is for a first release its excellent. The backgrounds for everything look sick too.

Customization is good, both for Null and for the girls. There's plenty of different outfit combinations you can conjure up to have them looking however you want. The clothing menu for the girls can be a little confusing though, perhaps adding a point explanation would be helpful. It would also be nice if there was a button that would just strip them to being nude so building new outfits would be easier.

More clothes are always nice too, but i think those are already planned

There's a handful of different hairstyles too, both for the hair above and the hair below The pubic options in particular i think are well done. They look amazing and there's a style for everyone.

I'm a little torn on the sex stuff though. I really enjoy the UI during the sex scenes, the list of positions is quite impressive and i think i remember them saying more will be added in the future, which will be amazing. However, something about Null's presence during the sex scenes feels off. I'm not sure if its the animations, the angle, or something else, but its different.

Some things that I personally would love to see is i wish there was a pullout option after climaxing where the girl just lays there while you decide what to do next without null in the picture. The doggy style i think could benefit from being zoomed out just a tiny bit more, it feels like a LOT is happening at the bottom of the scene, especially if you use any toys. Speaking of toys, a transparancy option on those would be nice too.

Overall, i love the game. Obviously everybody is going to have their own wants and desires for what they would like to see (Clearly me included), but the Dev team did an AMAZING job with their first release. It felt very well done, well polished, and exceptionally fufilling to play through. I believe they accomplished in one release what other Devs fail to do through an entire developement process. I don't often support things on patreon, but this one was a no brainer with 0 hesitation. The future is very bright for this game and i look forward to seeing it.

 

[Crimx42]

This game is 11/10, I can rain praise upon it for years, literally best game on the website.

So, I want to skip ahead to in the intro,
You ask Xavier "If we're both mutants, why do you look normal and I look... like this?"
and his reply is basically like a scientific dodge, and its a perfectly fine reply. There is nothing wrong with this dialogue or response its a good response...

but I still feel like Xavier would offer some word of comfort towards the idea of 'Normal'

Xmen has always been about that the Mutants represent 'undesirables' in society, whether it be because of racism, sexism, or prejudice views of love and sex. When we are introduced in the story its at a time of great upheaval to the MC, and it just seems like he asks a powerful question but gets back a weak response.

Again, there is no 'problem' here, but it does feel like a missed opportunity.