FacelessVixen

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I never said it was, what is funny is how much of a loudmouth she can be for such a mousy girl.
Jean = Anxiety
Laura = High-functioning autism
Kitty = Tourette syndrome

Might as well ask the team which mental illnesses the other TNH girls have, and give some insights to the extent of how far our shonen protagonist will go in order to fix them.

...Except for Rogue, because:
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salscou

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Jean = Anxiety
Laura = High-functioning autism
Kitty = Tourette syndrome

Might as well ask the team which mental illnesses the other TNH girls have, and give some insights to the extent of how far our shonen protagonist will go in order to fix them.

...Except for Rogue, because:
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Wait we playing Katawa shoujo now?!
man, I hope Logan doesn't see or smell that otherwise, your healing factor might not be strong enough to survive what he does to you
Honestly, im sure Logan wouldnt care aslong as Laura gets treated right and is happy, hed just want to not be involved in any way whatsoever, thoug given his sense of smell, im sure he cant tell his little girl is getting plowed.
 
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Nah the comment was more that in most timelines Bruce Wayne met Batgirl around 12 or 13 as in most instances Jim Gordan keeps tabs on Bruce after his parents' deaths and becomes a friend of the family. Bruce Timm really likes the idea of having Batman fuck her when she becomes legal and in some instances get her pregnant.
Playing devil's advocate here:

It's worth pointing out that when Batgirl/Barbara Gordon was first introduced in the 1960s, she was a librarian with a PhD in her mid-to-late 20s. That's closer to Bruce's age, who was (and I believe still is implicitly) in his 30s, than it ever was to Robin's. There's a storyline in the 1970s where Barbara successfully runs for Congress, which means she had to be at least 25. She even goes on a blind date with Clark Kent in one issue. Robin has a crush on her during this era, sure, but she's not far off being a decade older than him and it's not treated seriously as a romance yet.

The reason I bring that context up is because this is the era that Bruce Timm and the rest of the BTAS writers grew up on. It's why their Batman is more low-tech and realistically human, why they directly adapted a number of 70s Batman stories (e.g. 'Appointment in Crime Alley'), and why they didn't focus as much on post-Crisis additions to Batman lore (e.g. their mishandling of Bane, using Rupert Thorne as their main gangster baddie instead of a more famous post-Crisis gangster like Sal Maroni or Carmine Falcone).

And I believe it's why Batman x Batgirl got teased here and there in the DCAU. I assume that, from Timm and co's point of view, the age gap between their conception of Batman and Batgirl isn't anywhere near as much of an "ick" as it is for modern audiences, who are entirely accustomed to the idea of Batgirl being the same age as Dick Grayson. That only came about after Crisis on Infinite Earths, when DC rebooted, Batgirl got de-aged in the process, and eventually Batman titles began properly building up the Dick/Babs relationship in 1990s.

I'd also like to point out that this infamous page:
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wasn't actually written by Bruce Timm. It seems to get brought up a lot as the prime example of "Timm's ship" being fucking weird, except it's a digital-only comic written years after the DCAU ended from a hack named Kyle Higgins. And that other big, infamous sex scene between Bruce and Babs, from The Killing Joke animated adaptation? That was written by Brian Azzarello. Timm was only a producer on the film.

Bruce Timm is a horndog alright, but at least credit him for the correct horndog antics, like the excessive horniness in Batman & Harley Quinn, his brilliant Good Girl coffee table art books, and his tendency for giving all his women banana boobs.

I certainly don't care for the idea of Bruce x Barbara myself at all – partly because it's weirder in the context of modern Babs being much younger and mostly because it just makes Bruce really fucking skeezy if he's getting with the daughter of his closest friend – but hopefully this overly long post explains why somebody would come up this relationship in the first place and how Bruce Timm shouldn't get as much blame for this as he does.
Originally in Batman Beyond, Terry was supposed to be the bastard child of Barbra Gordan and Bruce Wayne. Thankfully, DC got Bruce Timm way the fuck away from the writing room.
I mean, the unnecessary Bruce-connected origin they eventually came up with for Terry in Justice League Unlimited's 'Epilogue' wasn't any better...
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Timm did actually co-write that episode, so it's definitely on him this time round. I can't excuse that. Hope that doesn't invalidate everything I've spent an hour writing up above, haha :HideThePain:


In the end, I love you though Shiny, and I once again express my eternal thanks that you guys aren't including any such ridiculous cuckold shenanigans in The Null Hypothesis. To be sure, this is the uncomfortably weirder side of superhero soap operas. This game is far better off staying well the fuck away from anything close to any of this.

And I apologise for the excessive effortpost. I can't help it.
 
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