Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[Mutation8888]

The physics thing is funny because it's all down to the powers' exact mechanics not being nailed down. Like okay, take the example of throwing an object at someone telekinetically. Is it throwing in the sense that it's left the mutant's control and is now obeying normal physics with inertia, or is it like the object is being held in an invisible telekinetic "hand" and it's possible to grab the invisible telekinetic "arm" to stop the motion? The training scenes with the tennis balls would suggest the latter.

Jean does it both ways. At first she just telekinetically controlled the tennis balls and pushed them towards Null all the way until his power countered hers. With the "Sword of Damocles" training she just held tennis balls over his head so that if he countered her power, he would cause the tennis ball to drop on his head. Jean could also just hurl the balls at him, releasing telekinetic control over them a couple of feet before they hit Null. It provides proof both ways that Null does nullify mutant powers but cannot stop the laws of physics even if they were initially being affected by a mutant power. As we have seen, his power is actually quite selective in that Charles can read his thoughts and send to him (communicate) but if he were to try to mind control him (attack), Null's power would counter it. If Magneto destabilized the magnetic field of Earth completely, Null could not nullify his own demise from the catastrophic damage done to the planet even though Magneto's power was the initial instigator.

 

[Clobbertime]

Does it really matter if the character is gay or lesbian or whatever? Somehow I suspect that if they end up letting you date guys, they're not going to stick to the same rules of respecting canon orientation. I don't think Nightcrawler has ever been gay or even bi. Boots would walk off.

But you can argue that they would have to forgo canon in a gay/lesbian mode simply out of necessity, since the entire dating roster could maybe fill one year.

I don't know any lesbian characters I'm interested in so I'm just arguing for the sake of it. It's probably fine to do it the way you're doing it.

They could just have Jean change everyone's orientation like she did to Iceman in the comics.

 

[falafelswoop]

Jean could also just hurl the balls at him, releasing telekinetic control over them a couple of feet before they hit Null.

I don't recall - does she actually do this or is that your speculation?

They could just have Jean change everyone's orientation like she did to Iceman in the comics.

That would be hilarious and referential, and work great in a game like Rogue-Like, but I think at this point TNH has established this Jean Grey wouldn't do such a thing. Although I suppose they have established she doesn't have perfect control of what she can do, Null has been working on that with her for a good bit now.

 

[veil1667]

Is there any way to view the "Achievements" that you earn (or have yet to earn) during your playthrough?

There's an "app" in your phone that shows the Achievements. Hit the bottom right button to bring up all of the apps, then the one with the trophy.

 

[Poker_king70]

Jean does it both ways. At first she just telekinetically controlled the tennis balls and pushed them towards Null all the way until his power countered hers. With the "Sword of Damocles" training she just held tennis balls over his head so that if he countered her power, he would cause the tennis ball to drop on his head. Jean could also just hurl the balls at him, releasing telekinetic control over them a couple of feet before they hit Null. It provides proof both ways that Null does nullify mutant powers but cannot stop the laws of physics even if they were initially being affected by a mutant power. As we have seen, his power is actually quite selective in that Charles can read his thoughts and send to him (communicate) but if he were to try to mind control him (attack), Null's power would counter it. If Magneto destabilized the magnetic field of Earth completely, Null could not nullify his own demise from the catastrophic damage done to the planet even though Magneto's power was the initial instigator.

Problem is that Comic Books play fast and loose with physics. Everytime Superman leaps into the air and flys to the watchtower, he should be leaving a crater behind like Hulk does - that's Newton's Third Law. Juggernaut and Shazam can toss someone into low orbit without similar damage is because their powers are magic-based and some mystic BS yada yada.

So if Jean picks up a car and tosses it, it boils down to whether she is telekinetically controlling the car the entire trajectory or acting like a TK slingshot and simply propelling the car to sufficient velocity to let the momentum carry it forward. Strategically, it makes more sense to toss it and let physics do the dirty work while she takes her attention elsewhere.

Which is sldo why I subscribe to the 'Superman is actually a telekinetic' theory

 

[Mutation8888]

I don't recall - does she actually do this or is that your speculation?

I do not remember if she actually did that, but it could be a use of her power since it would be like a person throwing a tennis ball by hand. You throw the ball, releasing it to continue with the kinetic energy you impart to it. Jean can do the same thing simply by throwing the ball telekinetically then letting momentum carry the ball the rest of the way without telekinetic control. If momentum is imparted to an object and released telekinetically, it would not just fall to the ground as their previous practice confirmed when Null's power nullifies her telekinesis and the tennis balls continued moving towards Null under imparted momentum even though Jean's power was cut off.

 

[Evil13]

They could just have Jean change everyone's orientation like she did to Iceman in the comics.

And everyone hated that moment.

 

[Mutation8888]

Which is sldo why I subscribe to the 'Superman is actually a telekinetic' theory

Precisely. However, a lot of his powers are actually based on what appears to be gravity control. Densifying his own skin, lifting extreme weight without collateral damage (hard to lift a plane or building in ways their structure was not intended to be lifted), moving at will without collateral damage, focusing heat/light into beams, condensing air into super cooled exhalations etc. Gravity control: range self and whatever he touches.
A lot of physics in comic books is hit and miss. I think "The Boys" and "Invincible" and similar stories are getting closer to a more reality based idea of "what if people had powers and how would it affect the world around them." Sure, some powers kind of fudge because "magic" but some can be tightly focused to reduce external influences.

 

[falafelswoop]

Which is sldo why I subscribe to the 'Superman is actually a telekinetic' theory

I think this is what they went with for the Superman expy in Irredeemable too.

And everyone hated that moment.

Twice so far you've made sweeping statements about "everyone" for what isn't actually everyone. Saying it won't actually make everyone agree with you.

 

[Evil13]

Twice so far you've made sweeping statements about "everyone" for what isn't actually everyone. Saying it won't actually make everyone agree with you.

Dude, it's not even a sweeping statement. The fandom despises that scene where Jean "said" Bobby was gay. Their response was that it came off as creepy.

And I don't mind people disagreeing with me if they willing to make a point that tries to counter it. Unlike you. So you get to be ignored. Bye.

 

[Honeyandvinegar]

I don't know any lesbian characters I'm interested in so I'm just arguing for the sake of it. It's probably fine to do it the way you're doing it.

Negasonic, Karma plus Magik and Jubilee in some universes.

 

[King_In_Yellow]

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

I think "The Boys" and "Invincible" and similar stories are getting closer to a more reality based idea of "what if people had powers and how would it affect the world around them."

In the first Homelander is asked why he can't just lift a falling plane after they discover he lasered the controls and he does make a comment about physics. Like he'd be flying in air, what is he using as leverage to push?

In Invincible Mark and Eve can't go five seconds without realizing that their understanding of the concept of "structural integrity" is non-existent.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

In the first Homelander is asked why he can't just lift a falling plane after they discover he lasered the controls and he does make a comment about physics. Like he'd be flying in air, what is he using as leverage to push?

In Invincible Mark and Eve can't go five seconds without realizing that their understanding of the concept of "structural integrity" is non-existent.

Depending on the origin of powers in my settings I usually just give things a veneer of science or a set of rules that the powers abide by. I do like what one story i read had though, with one in universe theory being that all Supers possess reality altering powers to a varying degree, explaining why powers can bend if not ouright break the natural; laws.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Before the discussion gets a bit too much. A reminder that a gay Null or a female Null is no where near on the horizon.

There's a lot of little reasons but the primary two are time constraints and the budget. Just getting background art costs a lot of $$$ and we're doing a sex art overhaul that will also be including a lot of positions that we had to cut for time. As well as trying to get all the wardrobe pieces back.

If we added either a gay or female Null, we'd basically be doubling the work load adding two dudes and then having to do specific sex and standing art for them and then expanding their wardrobe and then we'd go an entire year without getting the finale of chapter 1 done and over with.

By the time we finish things then the devs would be willing and able to have a serious discussion on going back and seeing if it's viable to do. We'd already have the backgrounds and several character art done so it'd mostly be revisions. Though that's relying on if we're not tired of working on Null for so long.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

I do like what one story i read had though, with one in universe theory being that all Supers possess reality altering powers to a varying degree, explaining why powers can bend if not ouright break the natural; laws.

There's a CRPG called Arcanum. Basically the Industrial Revolution happens and it's great... except that it's a magical setting and magic fundamentally relies on altering the laws of physics. Like casting a fire ball from nothing but mana. That is inconceivable by modern science. So say you're on a train and a mage decides to not waste a match on a cigarette. He just accidentally derailed the train because fucking with kinetic energies required for that fire... Which is a thing that happened in universe and now all mages have to sit in the back of the train away from the engine and some mages who are too powerful are banned from riding trains period.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

There's a CRPG called Arcanum. Basically the Industrial Revolution happens and it's great... except that it's a magical setting and magic fundamentally relies on altering the laws of physics. Like casting a fire ball from nothing but mana. That is inconceivable by modern science. So say you're on a train and a mage decides to not waste a match on a cigarette. He just accidentally derailed the train because fucking with kinetic energies required for that fire... Which is a thing that happened in universe and now all mages have to sit in the back of the train away from the engine and some mages who are too powerful are banned from riding trains period.

Loved that game, one of the first fanfics I ever read turned out to be about that game. It very much reminded me of the Abhorsen books by Garth Nix in certain aspects which was fine by me.

More on topic though, since Null's nullification seems to only work on Mutants, would it be able to do anything to Jean or another Mutant Phoenix host? Since the Phoenix force in and of itself seems to not manifest only in Mutants(ish), if counting off planet hosts.


EDIT: The bottom bit is not meant for anyone in particular.

 

[twoEyedCyclops]

I would assume not.

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But we're still learning about Nulls powers, so who knows?

 

[drifter139]

I would assume not.

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But we're still learning about Nulls powers, so who knows?

there's a difference though. Juggernaut's powers aren't a mutation and even if the Phoenix force is different from a mutant power, it still resides in a mutant which means her other powers can be nullified

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

there's a difference though. Juggernaut's powers aren't a mutation and even if the Phoenix force is different from a mutant power, it still resides in a mutant which means her other powers can be nullified

That does beg the question if the Phoenix Force would provide abilities in addition to the mutant powers or amplify/change existing powers, at least when those powers overlap with the Phoenix Forces sphere of influence.