RPGM The Stereotype That Only Girls Play Healers Isn’t True at All!!! [v2.4] [Headpat]

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empe3

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God I wish there was a generally agreed-upon definition that I could link to every time this argument started up again. People get really touchy about whether a game is NTR vs NTS vs cheating vs whatever other term they decide to throw in the ring.
Hi! It's probably not NTS because I'm not particularly interested in that and don't remember making any scenes for it.
The cheating/NTR difference, as far as I'm concerned, comes down to who the initiator is. That seems to hold up pretty well no matter what elaborate definition people are throwing at it.

That said, I think the tone of some people in this thread is way too aggressive and insulting, for a while now. I'm no longer enjoying reading comments in here at all.
 

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Hi! It's probably not NTS because I'm not particularly interested in that and don't remember making any scenes for it.
The cheating/NTR difference, as far as I'm concerned, comes down to who the initiator is. That seems to hold up pretty well no matter what elaborate definition people are throwing at it.

That said, I think the tone of some people in this thread is way too aggressive and insulting, for a while now. I'm no longer enjoying reading comments in here at all.
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dismasx153

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In my opinion, the only thing worth it in this game is its artistic style, which is very good; everything else is very wasted, and I feel it's going to turn out like the previous game where they don't exploit anything, and you will only feel disappointment and that the game could have been more.
 
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Hi! It's probably not NTS because I'm not particularly interested in that and don't remember making any scenes for it.
The cheating/NTR difference, as far as I'm concerned, comes down to who the initiator is. That seems to hold up pretty well no matter what elaborate definition people are throwing at it.

That said, I think the tone of some people in this thread is way too aggressive and insulting, for a while now. I'm no longer enjoying reading comments in here at all.
Yeah sadly people are quick to dogpile once they see other people complaining. The game is great and I'm sure even the haters actually enjoy the game but instead of giving constructive criticism they just flame you because they expect you to magically create a full product after being insulted. Most of us actually like your game, so keep your chin up!
 

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Every thread of every game has this fucking discussion am tired of it, wish the mods would just start deleting the comments everytime this discussion starts is annoying just stop, enjoy the content and shut up, you have a moral issue with the content? dont play it. is fiction, a game is not real it does not matter, just stop yeez...
 

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Yeah sadly people are quick to dogpile once they see other people complaining. The game is great and I'm sure even the haters actually enjoy the game but instead of giving constructive criticism they just flame you because they expect you to magically create a full product after being insulted. Most of us actually like your game, so keep your chin up!
Every thread of every game has this fucking discussion am tired of it, wish the mods would just start deleting the comments everytime this discussion starts is annoying just stop, enjoy the content and shut up, you have a moral issue with the content? dont play it. is fiction, a game is not real it does not matter, just stop yeez...
So, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but unless I have miswrote and misread my own posts I have not done anything to deserve getting those comments deleted. I would be more than happy to have a mod check and see if there is any rule-breaking material that should be removed. More than happy to comply about it.

Yet, I have to say that it is truly disheartening that those that raise actual criticism are getting hit with some unwarranted villification, so I will set the record straight:

I care for the game because I like the art and the general plans it started with, the premise it began with being that it would have been a step forward compared to Sana. And to me, and perhaps some others, it was all about adding more flavor to what Sana had been. Sana had been good, but far from perfect ranging from the fact a lot of scenes were cut back because the team possibly realized they were overextending themselves for it. Kudos on them for catching themselves from getting overworked.

Then the issues with this game started mid-development because it suddenly went down a very similar path as Sana. And by that I mean that they are trying to go 'far' with it by having multiple cities. It would be fine if the first city was fleshed out like the first city in Sana was. It is not. There just a handful of scenes, then we are jumping straight to the second town.

There has been criticism that first, the game was not meant to be a NTR-focused one. That it was going to actually offer the player the chance to play on multiple routes. Something proved from the first encounter with Raze as it offers an 'option' to counter him (which doesn't work). The response: the non-NTR path will be added after the main NTR path is fleshed out.

Splendid! I am glad that there is a coherent idea on how to handle this. No complaint about it, let's see Headpat cook about it!

Now, to the main criticism that now stand unanswered:

Anon/MC being a cardboard character. A cardboard character is what I define a 'blank slate' with little initial personality whose goal to be is for the player to add their own flair to them through actions and interactions. In theory, it is a good idea since it gives the player a chance to 'move' the main character to suit their needs, kinks, and whatevers. The practice, however, is a bit more complex than that.

Especially since you need to give the player the chance to do 'something' beyond watching. And I don't mean 'stop' the NTR but rather do something that gives at least a layer of personality to the character. Why? Well, why does Luna like Anon to the point of being in a relationship with him? How come someone with her attitude ended up with Anon?

The worst bit of this issue isn't even the fact anyone here can say that Headpat can't do it. They can, they did it with their previous games' MCs. Even the first Game's MC had a degree of 'personality' which was shown by his work, by the way he reacted to characters beyond being a bumbling idiot, and overall had a 'reason' to be with his wife. So, it is fair to say that, for some reason I don't know which is not inability to do so, the writers are skimming on some needed details to justify the relationship.

To put it bluntly, what would change if Anon and Luna had just been flatmates? What if Anon being a wimp is what made him unable to land a relationship with Luna to begin with? In simple words, it would lessen the burden of adding more flavour to something as important as a relationship. To have two characters in a relationship in a NTR game is to at least add a line or two saying 'I love him because X, Y, Z' but that doesn't happen. They just are together, they are cute at first, and then they are hollow as a couple. They just 'are' a couple.

Just add a few lines here and there, I am not asking for a lore dump, but give him a layer of 'humanity' to call him a proper living being to begin with;

I don't expect this to be addressed, I don't care for it to be addressed because these last few posts have proved that Headpat is not willing to listen to any form of criticism and would rather joke about it. Good on them, but here is some news:

empe3 your own group uses the same level of snark we critics use in those posts. The example of this is Headpat's recent update. I understand it sucks to hear that there is a lingering big issue, but to go around it by villify folks is vile by itself. So, I will spare you the brunt trauma of having me around and I will just say that I am dropping this game altogether since the real issue at this point is the Devs.

Hope this game ends up improving, and to not die a slow death like Nymphomania Priestess.
 

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In my opinion, the only thing worth it in this game is its artistic style, which is very good; everything else is very wasted, and I feel it's going to turn out like the previous game where they don't exploit anything, and you will only feel disappointment and that the game could have been more.
the previous game is great, and this one is unfinished. If you did not like the first one, why did you even try this game in the first place
 

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So, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but unless I have miswrote and misread my own posts I have not done anything to deserve getting those comments deleted. I would be more than happy to have a mod check and see if there is any rule-breaking material that should be removed. More than happy to comply about it.

Yet, I have to say that it is truly disheartening that those that raise actual criticism are getting hit with some unwarranted villification, so I will set the record straight:

I care for the game because I like the art and the general plans it started with, the premise it began with being that it would have been a step forward compared to Sana. And to me, and perhaps some others, it was all about adding more flavor to what Sana had been. Sana had been good, but far from perfect ranging from the fact a lot of scenes were cut back because the team possibly realized they were overextending themselves for it. Kudos on them for catching themselves from getting overworked.

Then the issues with this game started mid-development because it suddenly went down a very similar path as Sana. And by that I mean that they are trying to go 'far' with it by having multiple cities. It would be fine if the first city was fleshed out like the first city in Sana was. It is not. There just a handful of scenes, then we are jumping straight to the second town.

There has been criticism that first, the game was not meant to be a NTR-focused one. That it was going to actually offer the player the chance to play on multiple routes. Something proved from the first encounter with Raze as it offers an 'option' to counter him (which doesn't work). The response: the non-NTR path will be added after the main NTR path is fleshed out.

Splendid! I am glad that there is a coherent idea on how to handle this. No complaint about it, let's see Headpat cook about it!

Now, to the main criticism that now stand unanswered:

Anon/MC being a cardboard character. A cardboard character is what I define a 'blank slate' with little initial personality whose goal to be is for the player to add their own flair to them through actions and interactions. In theory, it is a good idea since it gives the player a chance to 'move' the main character to suit their needs, kinks, and whatevers. The practice, however, is a bit more complex than that.

Especially since you need to give the player the chance to do 'something' beyond watching. And I don't mean 'stop' the NTR but rather do something that gives at least a layer of personality to the character. Why? Well, why does Luna like Anon to the point of being in a relationship with him? How come someone with her attitude ended up with Anon?

The worst bit of this issue isn't even the fact anyone here can say that Headpat can't do it. They can, they did it with their previous games' MCs. Even the first Game's MC had a degree of 'personality' which was shown by his work, by the way he reacted to characters beyond being a bumbling idiot, and overall had a 'reason' to be with his wife. So, it is fair to say that, for some reason I don't know which is not inability to do so, the writers are skimming on some needed details to justify the relationship.

To put it bluntly, what would change if Anon and Luna had just been flatmates? What if Anon being a wimp is what made him unable to land a relationship with Luna to begin with? In simple words, it would lessen the burden of adding more flavour to something as important as a relationship. To have two characters in a relationship in a NTR game is to at least add a line or two saying 'I love him because X, Y, Z' but that doesn't happen. They just are together, they are cute at first, and then they are hollow as a couple. They just 'are' a couple.

Just add a few lines here and there, I am not asking for a lore dump, but give him a layer of 'humanity' to call him a proper living being to begin with;

I don't expect this to be addressed, I don't care for it to be addressed because these last few posts have proved that Headpat is not willing to listen to any form of criticism and would rather joke about it. Good on them, but here is some news:

empe3 your own group uses the same level of snark we critics use in those posts. The example of this is Headpat's recent update. I understand it sucks to hear that there is a lingering big issue, but to go around it by villify folks is vile by itself. So, I will spare you the brunt trauma of having me around and I will just say that I am dropping this game altogether since the real issue at this point is the Devs.

Hope this game ends up improving, and to not die a slow death like Nymphomania Priestess.
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dismasx153

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the previous game is great, and this one is unfinished. If you did not like the first one, why did you even try this game in the first place
Because of the artistic style I keep playing it and I didn't say I didn't like the previous one, I just meant that the previous game lacked more content, it felt incomplete to me. I expected more content, especially from the elves, who were very underutilized.
 
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I don't know if I'm blind or if I skipped them, but in what I've seen I didn't find any comment that seeks to denigrate or insult the Great Chief, so it seems strange to me that he would say it, Besides, the only thing that is talked about is how empty and stupid the MC is.
 
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Headpat / empe3, you're doing great. You have a vision, a glorious vision, that I agree with and legitimately have no complaints with. I don't even have any critiques to give! You have already proven that whatever you craft will be legendary, and I have no doubt that this game will be too.
 
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Hi! It's probably not NTS because I'm not particularly interested in that and don't remember making any scenes for it.
The cheating/NTR difference, as far as I'm concerned, comes down to who the initiator is. That seems to hold up pretty well no matter what elaborate definition people are throwing at it.

That said, I think the tone of some people in this thread is way too aggressive and insulting, for a while now. I'm no longer enjoying reading comments in here at all.
Sana was good, Luna looks good and will become a good game, not going to lie I wanted more of Sana but if means delay on Luna please no and just work on Luna.
For good or bad people is very vocal here, for bad because sometimes are not constructive and harss, for good because I noticed on other authors the lack of feedback on "Official" channels.
If Luna become a game like Sana will make who like Sana happy then you are doing a good job, but I think Luna is not like Sana because have different taste but still have the "Sana soul" with the random events and the comical situations.

Unfortunately I can't give you negative feedback to "improve" because is too soon and I want to see what is your plan first. I think your team is having fun with this game develop and is the perfect way to do, continue please.
 

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Hi! It's probably not NTS because I'm not particularly interested in that and don't remember making any scenes for it.
The cheating/NTR difference, as far as I'm concerned, comes down to who the initiator is. That seems to hold up pretty well no matter what elaborate definition people are throwing at it.

That said, I think the tone of some people in this thread is way too aggressive and insulting, for a while now. I'm no longer enjoying reading comments in here at all.
I really don't get why people are being so aggressive over it. It's a work in progress, and most complaints can be boiled down to "the game is a WIP and I don't like that it's not a finished product". I honestly wouldn't pay those people any mind, most of them are either complaining about things that are only issues because the game isn't done (lack of content, story confusion, pacing issues, etc.), or likely wouldn't be happy with the game regardless of what was changed (anti-NTR and "I want NTS" crowd mostly).

Game is great, it's just not done yet. Keep up the good work, and try not to let the rude comments get to you too much. I'm sure a good number of them will change their tone once things progress further. Don't feel like you need to pander to them to make them happy or spend too much time agonizing over their complaints, most of them will be happier with the game once it's in a more complete state.

Just take your time and make a product you're content with. People who like it will like it, and people who don't will find something else to enjoy, what's really important is that *you* feel that the game is something you are happy with.
 

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I don't know if I'm blind or if I skipped them, but in what I've seen I didn't find any comment that seeks to denigrate or insult the Great Chief, so it seems strange to me that he would say it, Besides, the only thing that is talked about is how empty and stupid the MC is.
Mostly it's a lot of people harping unnecessarily on points that have either already been addressed (lack of content and whatnot), and the fact that a good handful of those posts talking about MC being made of cardboard being worded in ways that could *absolutely* be interpreted as rude, especially to the writer. Other than that, there were a bunch of very aggressive, extremely rude comments that actually got purged from the thread a while ago. I know, because I responded to one and my response got erased in the cleanup.

Either way, even if you don't personally see it, there's definitely some aggression and rudeness, even if some of it was either unintended or just perceived on the dev's part. It's been going on for a while, and while I don't really blame anyone for voicing their frustrations, that doesn't mean it isn't rough for a dev to read people shitting on their game all the time.
 
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Mostly it's a lot of people harping unnecessarily on points that have either already been addressed (lack of content and whatnot), and the fact that a good handful of those posts talking about MC being made of cardboard being worded in ways that could *absolutely* be interpreted as rude, especially to the writer. Other than that, there were a bunch of very aggressive, extremely rude comments that actually got purged from the thread a while ago. I know, because I responded to one and my response got erased in the cleanup.

Either way, even if you don't personally see it, there's definitely some aggression and rudeness, even if some of it was either unintended or just perceived on the dev's part. It's been going on for a while, and while I don't really blame anyone for voicing their frustrations, that doesn't mean it isn't rough for a dev to read people shitting on their game all the time.
Exactly, the criticism is fine, I agree with most of them, but it's gotten to the point where it's constantly "this writing is so abysmal, I mean look at this cardboard cutout of an mc, horrid writing, I could do better in my sleep. Omg why are they making a second stage, finish the first one first jfc"
It's frustration born from genuine criticism, and I'm sure most of the rudeness is meant more as a joking way to deal with said frustration, but reading all of that as the dev is obviously super demotivating when every update you release it's just people constantly ragging on what's bad.

And to clarify, I'm not some mindless shill either. The game/real life connection should get an explanation, even if it's some weak 'magical console' explanation (already got wolf girls, magic wouldn't even be that far fetched). The main character also desperately needs some justice since indeed rn he's just getting cucked for no reason which makes Luna seem like a total bitch (no pun intended :Kappa:). The story progression admittedly feels a bit bad when you play it update by update, but it's a non-issue long term because the gaps will get filled in with each update. And ultimately it's the end product that matters, each update is technically more of a proof of concept / work for the subscribers.

Just try to be civil and keep criticism constructive without too much negativity since that will just demotivate the dev and hurt the game even more, the whole point of criticism is hoping the dev listens to it and improves on it, no? :WeSmart:
 

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Without words and too much text XD.
In my eyes the reason the thread focuses on the MC is for the same reason that it seems, since he doesn't have any say or vote in the decisions in the game it's easy to empathize with him, It's like in the first game, many complained about the shitty life and ending that the MC of the first game had and that's what's happening now, the fastest way for everything to stop is simply... I don't know how to put in some lines of dialogue about, I know, the usual excuse of a micropenis or that he has no stamina and Pudding talking to her without the MC knowing.That will make him think that it is Pudding who corrupted and gave him Raze's contact number and that's it, it's all over XD
 
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The criticism in the text is 100% valid, and could easily be corrected if the developer wanted to, but that's not his focus, not right now. I guarantee that it wouldn't be difficult to clarify their relationship and not make Luna such a bitch so early on.
I keep playing every update because it's fun and I like the art, but there's no NTR feeling, not even BSS.
 
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