This forum can be more ? (Campaign Against Patreon Censorship)

[Jeancul]

Before all, sorry for my English. Is not my natif language.

Is a question since some majors games on Patreon had been kicked out (DMD, BB, Bomatica...)
I have thinking this community can maybe propose some service to help them ? Why not give them the possibility to raise money from here F95 forum? I don t joke, maybe not everybody know that pirates community are not against Creators and the think they can get money for what they do. I don t know if is possible to make a donator systeme in the OP of game ? Actually i support some developer on Patreon but since few month after the fees crisis and now the censorship of fictionnals games ! I realy want to have an alternative. I realise too that forum are all i like why my political and buisness point of view. I belive in the communauty share system. Is like the major music editor vs alternatif record label. When the censor and stantard are obligatory we lost creativity and possibility to be and feel free.

What will happend the next time ? No Fetish ? No gay stuff ? Disney will Attack all cartoon theme game and patreon will just do what they do for incest "fictionnal" game... And why not game after all ?
Fetish is fantasy. Incest is one of this part. But because is fantasy it doesn t mean people like that want to bang his familly ! I can understand law exist against a father who fuck is daugther because he use psychological think in the reality but here is fictionnal. Is like GTA you don t want to crash your car in all the way after have play at this game. If that happen, is not the game, that kind of people have serious problem before but the problem is in themself (If you realy want to bang or crash your car on other people your mother please consult a psychologist and don t stop before you understand what is wrong in your life and change yourself)

So i don t know if to make Something here against this censorship is possible is the point of my topic ? If people who understand what are a share community and don t want to see that shit continue whitout do Something ... Devellopers want to check for a solution but is hard for different reason. Patreon are where they can have a large audiance of people. But when you see on this forum DMD topic have ben see more of one million of time... Not sure how many people have found Mr.Dots games on Patreon page but i m sure a lot of donator have found him because this forum. Before this forum i even dont know what was Patreon !

Thx for read me.

 

[ＧＡＢ]

tl;dr the block of text
this is a forum. from what I know, ppl make request for a certain game, other ppl will take what the game has and post it here. There won,t be promoting or a different usage. the money gained from charity is for equipment maintenance and there won,t be more to it.

If ppl want to encourage developpers. they may do so themselves. we're not a mass supporter since many ppl have different opinions and don't wan different goals contradicts

 

[smnb]

As much as I agree with the sentiment, this won't work. What you suggest is that this forum should handle money. But as was already written many times, handling money is the troublesome part. Everything is simple until then, but with money it becomes complicated.

As a user (paying customer), you want something simple and safe, synonym of which became Paypal. But Paypal generally doesn't allow adult stuff, so you can forget about that. You must find some other payment processor. It's possible, there's more than one fish in the sea, but... For start, those are less attractive for users. And even though they will allow more than Paypal, they still won't allow everything, because they either can't or it's not worth the risk. And lets face it, adult games are risky. They contain all kinds of questionable behaviour, it's the matter of when (not if) someone feels that some characters "look too young" (even if it's bullshit), etc. And that's bad, because it could bring problems with laws. And they are in business for money, not for any freedom related ideals. So they will work with you, but only to certain point and of course for a price.

In short, becoming such intermediary is not exactly a rewarding prospect for this forum.

 

[Nightcrawler]

Whilst i can see where you are coming from in my opinion it wouldn't work for several reasons.

Do you make F95 a pay forum to support devs ? No whilst their are quite a few members on the forum that activley support devs not every one can due to various reasons .And you also have to remember it is run by volenteers any donations made to the site go towards the cost of running the servers .
Does F95 create a sister site to support payment to devs ? again no The costs of setting up and securing such a site would be astronomical as you would need a full time team dedicated to running it, Managing personnal details, payments ,distribution of funds etc and it would all have to be water tight.Loosing other peoples details money etc a big legal no no in many durestictions.

Again whilst i see where you are comming from it would be a financial and a logistical nightmare to go down that road.

 

[seden]

Indeed, as it is, the first point being related to geograpics (as laws are not the same everywhere, not caring about that is simply bad). Then, they are quite some other pitfalls.

 

[DarthSeduction]

I don't think F95zone is ready for that responsibility. It could exist as it does, as a promotional platform, but it can't host the exchange of currency. It would take an entire new site. If devs wanted to risk it they could open up their paypals for direct donations, however paypal watches that kind of behavior and will investigate. When Paypal learns that you're selling adult content they'll shut down your account, banning you from paypal forever.

The best solution I've heard of is convincing PornHub to open up a platform for a similar funding mechanism to Patreon. They're the only adult platform with the power and influence to do so. Their payment provider is, seemingly, not afraid of incest, and while you'll never find Bestiality or Rape by searching for them on Pornhub, I know hentai containing them gets past their censors, it just isn't tagged with it. It's also very possible, that being an adult content provider first and a freedom of speech fighter second, PornHub might even fight to allow the content, as they bring in enough money to be worth it and they're progressive in their views on fiction.

 

[anne O'nymous]

As a user (paying customer), you want something simple and safe,

No need to go further in fact. I trust F95z for the downloaded files, but would I really trust it for handling my money and give it to the right person ? This even if the process is said direct.
I have nothing against the staff, they seem honest and reliable, but what do I know about them ? The answer is simple, nothing. You can't even be sure that what they say about themselves is true. Not because they lie, but because, well should I really remember you that we are on a pirate site ? They can have a real hard time if they get caught, so obviously they stay in the shadow.

What we all do here is at the limit of the law. A lot of games shouldn't be available for free, in some countries game modifications are illegals, in some other the simple fact to be here can be seen as complicity, this even if you never downloaded anything. All this while what is asked for a funding site need a fully transparent and legal process...
Don't know for you, but for me it seem that there's some kind of incompatibility here.

 

[ReJoe]

I read that Patreon no longer allows mind control VNs etc. So if Patreon were in charge, The Avengers movie never would have been made because Loki used mind control on Hawkeye. I think he should have used it on Black Widow instead!

 

[smnb]

I trust F95z for the downloaded files, but would I really trust it for handling my money and give it to the right person ?

Well... I wouldn't give a site like this my card number. But I really hate doing that with anyone. If there's payment processor I never heard about before, it's not like I can really trust them either. It's a little better than anonymous pirates, of course. But with Paypal, if that was the possibility, then why not. I wouldn't risk that much and if they kept all money for themselves, the word would get out pretty quickly. Of course if they misrepresented the numbers and kept only a part of it, that could go unnoticed. I guess it could happen, because you know, pirates, going after treasure, it's in their blood. But they also gave us this nice forum, so there's a chance they are good people. But I don't think they would want to do it, because it would mean they could no longer stay in the shadow.

Btw, I don't trust files downloaded from here and nobody should, because there's no guarantee where they came from. If I'd post fake links for some awaited new release, many people would use them directly from my post and there's also good chance that they would get added as "official" to OP (I believe someone was able to do this in TP thread recently, posting fake v2.0 renamed from 1.9x). Another thing are various patches. I posted fixed dll for one game myself, it had only single changed byte from original, so anyone could see that it was safe. But I'm pretty sure nobody checked, because it's beyond knowledge of regular user and it's more common to have dlls changed much more from original, so there's really no way how to check how much code changed. So as long as it works, anyone can add any unwanted extra functionality and it would take a long time, before anyone would notice.

 

[DarthSeduction]

I read that Patreon no longer allows mind control VNs etc. So if Patreon were in charge, The Avengers movie never would have been made because Loki used mind control on Hawkeye. I think he should have used it on Black Widow instead!

Sadly Patreon picks and chooses. Game of Thrones is specifically mentioned in their guidelines as acceptable. In spite of the fact that 5 seasons of the show were dedicated to a journey of an aunt and nephew to cum together. Not to mention the twincest apparent from episode one, the entire Targaryan family, and Craster's keep. Also Rape and mutilation from Ramsay... Guro from Joffrey. I'm sure there's more.

 

[seden]

Would not be the first time they are seen (..) in coherent aspect can and will be found/seen in about every actions, dependand on what one know/has experienced. Not that easy in any case.

As to Pornhub, guess its close to the top as to the currently known option. Is there a discussion open somewhere as to this ?

 

[Wayne]

Simple SOlution Distribute ADult COntent FRom YOUr OWn Site ANd GEt Financial sUpport Via Patreon ( provided YOu DON'T Post ADult COntent Publicly ))

 

[DarthSeduction]

Simple SOlution Distribute ADult COntent FRom YOUr OWn Site ANd GEt Financial sUpport Via Patreon ( provided YOu DON'T Post ADult COntent Publicly ))

That's actually not a very simple solution. For that to work you have to already have an established audience who knows to expect adult content from you, then you need to have a separate website set up prior to your move to it, so that your fanbase already knows about it and then you need to never mention patreon again on that site because it would be a violation to do so. Yes, I do know this for a fact, it was in an Email chain with Faerin from them.

 

[gamersglory]

Simple SOlution Distribute ADult COntent FRom YOUr OWn Site ANd GEt Financial sUpport Via Patreon ( provided YOu DON'T Post ADult COntent Publicly ))

You do know patreon has hired a bunch of new staff just to deal with this type of dumb stuff

 

[seden]

Deal ? In which fashion ? On the current trend (banish the games / content who is seen as un fitting) ?

 

[Ryahn]

Even though how much I would love F95Zone to do something like Patreon, it highly doubt this forum could do it. Due to how it is structured and its intentions, it wouldnt be that great. Now if there was a side project that "had no ties" to F95Zone. Then that could be possible but we will just have to wait and see with all the new "adult patreon"s popping up.

 

[gamersglory]

Here is where things would get sticky if F95 were to do this. first, if they are taking a percentage therefor making money off of it then the games forum as is would be counterproductive to F95 getting there cut and counterproductive to Creators. second, if it started to make good amounts of money every taxing agency in the world would be on them like a hawk. EU want's their VAT. Third F95 would have to go LEGIT.