Tired of AI slop?

[tittun3]

There has been a massive influx of AI generated content on this site for quite some time now. I've seen a lot of complaints, especially because it is often connected to scam games on Patreon. Personally, I'm in the camp of it being outright banned from the platform but I understand that that may take a lot more moderation. Another site I frequent actually made a separate site for AI content and, while I don't think a different site is necessary, I think there should be a tab that is specifically for AI content.

If the poll gets enough attention, I'll try reaching out to some admins.

 

[Count Morado]

There has been a massive influx of AI generated content on this site for quite some time now. I've seen a lot of complaints, especially because it is often connected to scam games on Patreon. Personally, I'm in the camp of it being outright banned from the platform but I understand that that may take a lot more moderation. Another site I frequent actually made a separate site for AI content and, while I don't think a different site is necessary, I think there should be a tab that is specifically for AI content.

If the poll gets enough attention, I'll try reaching out to some admins.

Not
Gonna
Happen

Always SEARCH before you post something like this.
Here are just some of the threads which you could have found:


From that last link of the list:


Also, Jaike - heads up.

 

[stickymann]

I've seen non-AI games look like slop. People have different opinions on what looks good. I wouldn't force mine down other people's throat tho.

 

[Lerd0]

...funny seein this right after i post another ai game......
....will post a couple more now....wish me luck....

 

[That other person]

Slop is slop... AI slop is no different, it's not bad because it's AI, it's bad because it's bad.

It won't stop, but sometimes we will get games that are actually good and made with AI. You have to use the search and tags. It happens with every single thing that is new, and we get shovelware of everything really. Happens with DAZ, happens with Renpy, happens with Koikatsu, Unreal Engine lol.

Gotta be brave like James Sunderland, just reach deep into the slop and find the shiny thing.

 

[morphnet]

There has been a massive influx of AI generated content on this site for quite some time now. I've seen a lot of complaints, especially because it is often connected to scam games on Patreon. Personally, I'm in the camp of it being outright banned from the platform but I understand that that may take a lot more moderation. Another site I frequent actually made a separate site for AI content and, while I don't think a different site is necessary, I think there should be a tab that is specifically for AI content.

If the poll gets enough attention, I'll try reaching out to some admins.

 

[adrynalyne]

I think there should be a tab that is specifically for AI content

nope

 

[WispDev]

You can filter the "ai cg" tag and never see a single one of those games though.


If that wasn't possible, you might have some kind of point, but right now it seems like a classic case of "I'm militantly against this thing so no one else should be able to enjoy it".

 

[MissCougar]

AI, like any tool, will be as good or bad as the person using it.

I think "slop" is disingenuous because not all AI games are bad games, I've seen lots of terrible non-AI games.

I think it gets a bad rap because it is not just the art side that is bad, but the whole product feels like it is more of a cash in than something a person cared about. One more Patreon sponge.

But, I think it's still important to allow people to thrive and create things and if a programmer needs to use AI rather than pay an artist or draw bad art, I'm fine with that. I like to see people be creative and I hope i can do the same soon myself.

If you don't like the CG side of AI, just exclude the AI CG tag and enjoy! You shouldn't see much of it anymore.

 

[DSSAlex]

I've only grown to dislike then hate it more and more, if I'm being honest. It's not just another tool, it's a constellation of financial scams that are supposed to devalue labor (or invent god if you are a big enough dweeb) and thereby inflate the stock market, but they don't really do that. A wacom tablet isn't going to blow up your 401K and destroy the concept of consensus truth. I think every platform should ban AI. But ultimately it doesn't do the thing that it's being advertised to do, so sooner or later the bubble will pop and all the platforms sloppers use to slop out games will become prohibitively expensive for slop games that no one wants to pay money for.

 

[MissCougar]

I've only grown to dislike then hate it more and more, if I'm being honest. It's not just another tool, it's a constellation of financial scams that are supposed to devalue labor (or invent god if you are a big enough dweeb) and thereby inflate the stock market, but they don't really do that. A wacom tablet isn't going to blow up your 401K and destroy the concept of consensus truth. I think every platform should ban AI. But ultimately it doesn't do the thing that it's being advertised to do, so sooner or later the bubble will pop and all the platforms sloppers use to slop out games will become prohibitively expensive for slop games that no one wants to pay money for.

To get good at something you need to do it often and practice.

The set of skills a programmer learns is exactly not the set of skills a good artist learns. Sure these lines cross sometimes, but not often and not to a degree that they would do better art than a basic AI generation unfortunately.

AI art is depressingly very good. It's better than me and that makes me sad.

So I dont think throwing down a Wacom in front of a programmer is going to give you good art by magic.

I think the programmer can do what they can do and use the tools at their disposal. If they do a good job people won't mind the AI side of it.

 

[obibobi]

AI, like any tool, will be as good or bad as the person using it.

People need to stop parroting this or they may as well have AI do their posts. We still need to discuss how tools will change things, some tools are more exploitable than others.

Don't get me wrong there is obvious value in AI but there should be a discussion on how it affects things, its in our best interests to encourage quality, maybe the AI tag should be disabled by default, and a dev using AI wants to stand out its as simple as making a few posts to show their an actual person putting effort in and not a grifter uploading asset flips.

 

[WispDev]

People need to stop parroting this or they may as well have AI do their posts. We still need to discuss how tools will change things, some tools are more exploitable than others.

Don't get me wrong there is obvious value in AI but there should be a discussion on how it affects things, its in our best interests to encourage quality, maybe the AI tag should be disabled by default, and a dev using AI wants to stand out its as simple as making a few posts to show their an actual person putting effort in and not a grifter uploading asset flips.

I feel like that's dangerously close to Big Brother territory. To use this site you have to be an adult. We're going to try to protect other adults from playing completely free (pirated) games unless the developers of those games (which are being pirated by the way) prove to some high council of adults that their (pirated) games deserve to be seen by other adults? Did I mention this is a pirating website? For adults? A lot of them being in their mid to late 30s?

I genuinely don't understand why people don't use the filter tags feature. One day I was like "Huh, guess people don't make real porn games anymore", then I remembered I filtered the "real porn" tag like 3 years ago. It's just that effective. That goes for any tag on this site. I also filter "no sexual content" because I know what I'm here for. This prevents me from walking into threads with tags I don't like and saying "hey why does this game tagged with things I don't like have things I don't like?".

Conceptually, people like that blow my fucking mind.

 

[morphnet]

People need to stop parroting this or they may as well have AI do their posts. We still need to discuss how tools will change things, some tools are more exploitable than others.

You mean like programs that allow people to create content for products using models / poses / animations / effects whether they paid for them or not, or with permission or not? What's this I see?
or
Do you mean like games that created studios to allow players to create their own private fantasies being used to make content for products?
or
Do you mean programs that allow using other peoples hard work in them to make products? (real porn)
or
etc. etc. etc. ?

Don't get me wrong there is obvious value in AI but there should be a discussion on how it affects things, its in our best interests to encourage quality, maybe the AI tag should be disabled by default, and a dev using AI wants to stand out its as simple as making a few posts to show their an actual person putting effort in and not a grifter uploading asset flips.

You mentioned wanting people to stop parroting things... "encourage quality"? Quality as in? Who's definition or standard of quality are you suggesting we use?

It's strange, people parroting "quality" always seem to leave it vague like that...

These games that "lack quality",

Are they a buggy mess? CTD every few seconds? Error's everywhere?
Maybe the "lack of quality" is they all come across as second hand MTL?
Is it in the music and sounds?
How about the UI? Unintuitive? Broken?
Could it be the controls or the navigation?
How about the program running? memory leaks? stuttering? laggy?

or?



The really strange thing is, artists, musicians, coders, companies etc. have had their works stolen "pirated" for years and no one cared. Stolen "Pirated" assets used with stolen pirated software to create products and not a peep... Programs and tools meant for completely different things, used in making products and still nothing...

Companies used to fund / sell these products, even when they break the rules? still nothing... sometimes even encouraged...

Then along comes AI and suddenly the dev's are evil, AI is evil... oh the horror....

The humor starts with, the vocal opponents stealing "pirating" other peoples work to play while complaining that some dev's are stealing other peoples work... so now they refuse to steal "pirate" those works and would rather have them censored!

I also find it funny that awhile back games were getting yanked left, right and center because SOME people didn't like them and MANY of the vocal community had pages and pages to say about the evils of censorship...

How DARE people take away games we like just because THEY don't like them... and yet...

 

[MissCougar]

People need to stop parroting this or they may as well have AI do their posts. We still need to discuss how tools will change things, some tools are more exploitable than others.

Don't get me wrong there is obvious value in AI but there should be a discussion on how it affects things, its in our best interests to encourage quality, maybe the AI tag should be disabled by default, and a dev using AI wants to stand out its as simple as making a few posts to show their an actual person putting effort in and not a grifter uploading asset flips.

You already got hit with the things I was going to say, so there's not much left to add!

Put it this way, when you saw Tie Fighter in the 90's (assuming you ever saw tie fighter), did you think "some day these blocky things will look photo realistic and I'll be able to jerk off to polygon women as their bodies move realistically, etc"?

Probably not. I was in that era and I can assure you I never saw coming what ended up happening.

AI will be the same thing. In fact I bet we will see a mix of a return of Tie Fighter level graphics and a harder hit into AI and it will be more realistic than anything we can imagine today.

Imagine, a low polygon character labeled doom marine, and you have the graphic renderer and it looks like the first steps of 3D from the 90's except with smooth animation. Then someone invents the "AI overlay" and suddenly doom marine the polygon is rendered with doom marine the AI construct and you can literally see the sweat beads on his forehead if you zoom in close enough, and they interact realistically, and he's in a hell level that may as well be from a movie set, but it's just a block that says "hellish skin wall" and AI makes it look like an artist spent 2,000 hours crafting just that wall alone.

You may hate AI today, because it's at probably at the early 2K era, like Half Life 1 era of graphics. But in 20 years you will be thinking "wow this game that didn't use the AI renderer looks like shit, I wish they used AI here." It'll be the same with the porn games.

You get a layer of AI renderer over a basic RPGM game and suddenly it's more like Diablo 4 levels of art and animation just by doing that alone.

Im fine with people using AI because, like it or not, it will be the future and it will get better. People may as well learn how to use it as it starts so they can be experts later.

 

[obibobi]

You mentioned wanting people to stop parroting things... "encourage quality"? Quality as in? Who's definition or standard of quality are you suggesting we use?

You make some of the most pretentious go nowhere arguments. I guess you eat dog shit because you don't buy into the idea of basic quality control.

I guess steam and mobile phones don't have any issue's either.

You already got hit with the things I was going to say, so there's not much left to add

Not much to add, posts a wall of test multiple times longer than the original post.

Can you just make points instead of making long winded rants.

 

[morphnet]

You make some of the most pretentious go nowhere arguments.

I know, how dare I bring logic into arguments. Maybe I should just copy you, ignore everything and insult ideas instead of addressing them...

I guess you eat dog shit because you don't buy into the idea of basic quality control.

...and I guess you don't know the difference between quality control and personal preference / taste. Your lack of understanding is no excuse though and doesn't give you the right to try bring in censorship.

I guess steam and mobile phones don't have any issue's either.

There is A LOT wrong with steam, not sure how you managed to make the leap comparing software and hardware though but there is A LOT wrong with mobile phones too.

You're not trying to get steam hidden or removed because of the images in the banners they use.
You're not trying to get mobile phones hidden or removed because of the icons they use.

...and the fact that you can somehow link "you don't like a generated image" to steam software or mobile phone hardware shows just how flimsy your point is and how illogical it is.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Can you just make points instead of making long winded rants.

Here we go again...

There are a dozen threads covering this topic, with many, many good points within them.

In a nutshell there are many good AI CG art games turning up (particularly in text based spaces as where the writing is the persons skill-set not the art) & I (like many other people) would rather have open choices rather than someone curate what is an acceptable level of art, particularly when the primary focus of many games is text rather than images and the images are used in place of the old 'real porn' that used to get thrown in.

As others have said, if you hate it filter it out, but don't expect everyone else to as well.

 

[MissCougar]

Not much to add, posts a wall of test multiple times longer than the original post.

Can you just make points instead of making long winded rants.

No, I can't.

 

[xBlackPearlx]

AI is a tool like a clogged public toilet. It just collects a lot of human waste and it mixes everything together. It has no idea what it is saying, and it has to rely on algorithmic tricks to pretend that whatever it writes has any meaning, when it falls appart in a way that is obvious, even to an idiot, is when they say it is "hallucinating".

In general, it is worshiped by idiots with absolute no talent. So they become passionate about defending it. There is also the financial incentive to support it, because of the stock bubble and aggressive paid promotion.