Tired of incomplete games with little to no content

[Fuchsschweif]

I don't know about you, but I am tired from all the incomplete games in the latest updates section. There are so many games out there that haven't been in development for even 12 months yet. I get it, you develop a game, you want the world to know about it.. but for the end user these have little to no value. You give it a try and it's over before it even has begun.

Now you might say: Then filter the games for completed games only.

But jokes on you - there are very little amounts of completed games being uploaded. Why is that? It would be great to see more completed games in the latest updates section. Also in times of AI it should be even easy to grab games that are not translated (yet) and just use MTL for the time being.

 

[polargreev005]

As a long time lurker (since late 2017 through many, now, deactivated accounts due to unsuccesful attempts to cure porn addiction), I can confidently say it's been happening for years now. The pandemic was probably the cause for this rampage when vast majority of people that play video games were glued to the screens, consuming left and right finished or unfinished projects. Some projects that caught fame, foreshadowed their demise in favor of profit and others only thought of it as a side project to pass the time and when the pandemic sailored off, they did too... Hence why you see so many projects are either getting fan-reworked, taken out completely off F95z/other sites or left as a memorial.

Nowadays, if you want to remain actually "sane" amidst the "porn graveyard", you either have to 1) have lower/low or even none of the expectations; 2) visit the games every quarter/half of a year, when and if there is some tangible progress done to it. Contrarily, you're just bashing your priceless mental health against a niche dopamine wall that can be fulfilled with other content instead. Like, hey, I recently found out that I'm enjoying porn comics far more than I'd like to give where credit is due.

Anyways, the only fact all of us, the F95 fandom, should acknowledge is that devs don't owe us shit, the admins of F95 don't owe us shit, they could lock this site behind a paywall anytime, anyday. So we should be grateful for receiving a free content that others pay for.

 

[Goeffel]

there are very little amounts of completed games being uploaded. Why is that?

because of course, it is only natural/ logical.

f95zone opens up: large backlog of completed games gets uploaded. Once this backlog was done, only once in a while a game gets complete status.
Patreon is only ~10 years old, then some more time until it kicked really off with porn game devs ... more games got / get published before finished.

and like someone recently explained - completed games get a rush of players when they get their thread here, and once these initial wave of players is done with it, it slowly drops to the end of the list (no more forum messages written), while topics for games in active development get refreshed every ... was the minmum 2 weeks, or monthly?

It would be great to see more completed games in the latest updates section. Also in times of AI it should be even easy to grab games that are not translated (yet) and just use MTL for the time being.

- time to forget about "latest", go search by other criteria.
- "AI+MTL, it should be easy" - then what keeps you from doing so?
- not enough complete games? lol.

 

[Fuchsschweif]

- not enough complete games? lol.

Been here for years, I've seen all the completed games of my favourite genres and played the ones I liked. That's why I would like to see more complete games being uploaded.

Also, you showed the entirety of all games. Specifiy 4 tags and the numbers of games diminishes quickly. Male protag + incest + 3D + animated = 196 games. Only 60 of them have good ratings, after that we're not even having 3/5 stars anymore.

Of those 60 you still gotta check what story/setting does interest you, the quality of the renders, what kind of incest (there's like 500 different variations).

It all boils down to maybe 10-20 playable games.

And that's pretty much the same for everything else that you can search for. When you combine 3-4 tags there's very little to explore, if you spent a couple of years here you know everything.

So more completed games instead of pre-pre-pre-alpha's with 30 minutes of playable content would be in favour of everyone.

 

[morphnet]

So more completed games instead of pre-pre-pre-alpha's with 30 minutes of playable content would be in favour of everyone.

Those games are here for the most part because people have requested them, if you want more complete games uploaded, find them and then request them.

https://f95zone.to/forums/game-requests.3/

 

[Goeffel]

^^
yes, you are not wrong with that. of course there are not 9000 games I would want to play.

But - maybe I am lucky , with the sort of games I am after - there probably are more "acceptable" games than I ever can play.

 

[whowhawhy]

the quality of the renders

3d = models, 3dcg = renders

 

[Fuchsschweif]

Those games are here for the most part because people have requested them, if you want more complete games uploaded, find them and then request them.

https://f95zone.to/forums/game-requests.3/

I did once, but my thread just disappeared for no reason. I filled everything based on the preset and it was a kinda vanilla game without breaking any rules.

That being said, as a german I can't access DLsite since it's forbidden here. I think I couldn't even reach it with some VPN but not sure about that.

 

[morphnet]

I did once, but my thread just disappeared for no reason. I filled everything based on the preset and it was a kinda vanilla game without breaking any rules.

Did you open a ticket, there are other reasons apart from breaking the rules why it might have been deleted / removed, such as the request was already denied, there was no translation for it yet etc. and even if one request had an issue, you are still free to make more requests.

That being said, as a german I can't access DLsite since it's forbidden here. I think I couldn't even reach it with some VPN but not sure about that.

You don't need DLsite, you could use one or a mix of other sites like vndb, anime / hentai sharing etc. game cg hosting sites, hentai torrent sites etc. to find games to request. You also have the option of requesting translations.

 

[Fuchsschweif]

Did you open a ticket

No I just did nevermind then.. maybe I'll try again to request something.

You don't need DLsite, you could use one or a mix of other sites like vndb, anime / hentai sharing etc. game cg hosting sites, hentai torrent sites etc. to find games to request. You also have the option of requesting translations.

The thing is, if a game is completed and can be found on other sites, chances are high I will also find a download link right away too.

So I think the "real gems" nobody is seeing right now are probably some japanese completed games with a missing translation. That's why I said that maybe finding these + MTL will give us all some more completed games to play.

How can I request a completed japanese game without a translation though, if translation is a requirement? Do you request the translation then first?

 

[Geigi]

Ugh, itch.io have a problem with "demo only" content it's becoming a joke.

 

[morphnet]

The thing is, if a game is completed and can be found on other sites, chances are high I will also find a download link right away too.

Some of the time you do and some of the time you don't, vndb doesn't have, anime / hentai sharing does have links / torrent but many are down and also many are only for 1 version of the game and torrent sites will have seeds for some of the newer games but after page 3 or 4 there are a lot of leeches and no seeds.

So I think the "real gems" nobody is seeing right now are probably some japanese completed games with a missing translation. That's why I said that maybe finding these + MTL will give us all some more completed games to play.

They would still need someone to have applied the MTL first, although there are tools on this site for that so you could try find untranslated games on others sites and use those to translate the game for you while you play.

How can I request a completed japanese game without a translation though, if translation is a requirement? Do you request the translation then first?

This site has sections for requesting translations.

https://f95zone.to/forums/translations-mods.122/

https://f95zone.to/forums/translation.27/

https://f95zone.to/forums/request.119/
https://f95zone.to/threads/read-me-rules-for-posting-request-for-jp-games.73386/

 

[Fuchsschweif]

This site has sections for requesting translations.

What I meant is this:

it might have been deleted / removed, such as the request was already denied, there was no translation for it yet etc.

If there's no translation we can't request games because that's a reason for it to get denied, if I get you right. So do we request the translation first, for a game that's not even here yet?

 

[morphnet]

What I meant is this:



If there's no translation we can't request games because that's a reason for it to get denied, if I get you right. So do we request the translation first, for a game that's not even here yet?

Yes that is what those links are for, go through them and follow the instructions.
Those should help you find what you need or point you in the right direction.

 

[polargreev005]

Been here for years, I've seen all the completed games of my favourite genres and played the ones I liked. That's why I would like to see more complete games being uploaded.

Also, you showed the entirety of all games. Specifiy 4 tags and the numbers of games diminishes quickly. Male protag + incest + 3D + animated = 196 games. Only 60 of them have good ratings, after that we're not even having 3/5 stars anymore.

Of those 60 you still gotta check what story/setting does interest you, the quality of the renders, what kind of incest (there's like 500 different variations).

It all boils down to maybe 10-20 playable games.

And that's pretty much the same for everything else that you can search for. When you combine 3-4 tags there's very little to explore, if you spent a couple of years here you know everything.

So more completed games instead of pre-pre-pre-alpha's with 30 minutes of playable content would be in favour of everyone.

Not to offend, but this sounds to me like a "you" problem than the games themselves. I mean, quality >>>>>> quantity, right? I'd rather have those 10-20 games over the course of 5-10 years than 95% of generic games being blue balled for years... Perhaps I'm too casual, but this mindless consuming (it's ok to test the waters, like I've said in my post, but dude, you have an underlying problem) is just generally not great for mental health to enjoy the medium as a whole.

It's ok to rant out, we all do and that's perfectly reasonable, but I don' think this thread will change anything lol.

 

[NeonSelf]

1 - Devs get subscription payments per month not per update or complete game. This model discourages from completing a game and potentially losing subscribers while planning and developing initial release of a new game.

2 - Some games dont need to be complete. Sandbox games are great for infinite expansion and content updates. For example, Rogue-Like:Evolution just needs more girls, no need for complex plot to finish, because there is none.

I'm playing adult games for sex scenes and kinks, so I dont care about the story being complete. The main concern for me is how many sex scenes are there and how much time does it take to grind\read to unlock them.

 

[Larcx]

Well , blame how patre / any other platform works

There is even some meh rpg game still going on in 10 years
Dev even still dare to come time to time in other forum thread

Well the shocking part , some still expecting it
How dumb......

 

[skyblueaster]

I can’t say much for the lazy asset flips and Koikatsu clones because those are almost always made to pump and dump. I wouldn't even consider them part of the community—the "creators" (if they’re not bots), literally don’t interact or share the same interests as “us.”

But for us genuine devs, who make assets from scratch, it literally does take that long to create original, quality content.

To give an example:
Every scene in my game easily costs me >$1000 to make, along with precious amounts of time.
That's for art costs, writing, editing, translation, and voice acting.
It takes me months to save up enough to make a scene.
If I ever wanted quality L2D animation (a common request), that would be another $500-1000 on top.
These are the sacrifices I make for custom anime art and not Daz 3d templates.

Still, I’ll receive emails and complaints from people about how they want X, Y, Z, fetish but never give a dime.
Random hatemail for making NTR games despite clearly labeling that it’s NTR.
Random AI accusations and saying my game looks like shit anyway. I don’t understand these comments, but I get these bimonthly.

After a while, it really wears down on you, and I can see why some game devs lose hope and quit. You're just sinking lots of time and money to see a wave of negative comments from people who pirated your game anyway. F95 has been pretty nice, but the amount of entitlement and toxicity (especially on Discord and Reddit) is “holy fuck” levels.

The thing is, I literally do not have any money after rent, food, taking care of family, and medicine are accounted for.
My computer has been due for an upgrade for ten years and is on its last legs. I don’t own any consoles or TV, and can’t even afford a controller to playtest controller support.
I would love to eat out and treat myself once in a while, but that’s extra money that could go toward the game.

Therefore, I opened a Patreon because I wanted the resources to finish my game faster, not milk people for years.

It’s really annoying people see games like Summertime Saga and assume every adult dev is making serious bank. Devs like those are in the top 0.000001% of creators.

I have under two dozen Patrons. That isn’t even enough to host my game’s website, let alone buy a house or whatever people think we're doing. I would love to earn enough for the game to fund itself, much less think about making a living from it.

 

[Fuchsschweif]

Not to offend, but this sounds to me like a "you" problem than the games themselves. I mean, quality >>>>>> quantity, right? I'd rather have those 10-20 games over the course of 5-10 years than 95% of generic games being blue balled for years... Perhaps I'm too casual, but this mindless consuming (it's ok to test the waters, like I've said in my post, but dude, you have an underlying problem) is just generally not great for mental health to enjoy the medium as a whole.

It's ok to rant out, we all do and that's perfectly reasonable, but I don' think this thread will change anything lol.

I don't know how you interpreted the quote you replied to, but it was all about quality > quantity. The whole thread is about more quality (= completed games) rater than quantity (= tons of new games with little to no content).

I even did the math explaining why the sheer number of available games isn't an indicator of quality if you take a closer look at how many of them are playable/enjoyable - quality wise.

 

[Fuchsschweif]

But for us genuine devs, who make assets from scratch, it literally does take that long to create original, quality content.

To give an example:
Every scene in my game easily costs me >$1000 to make, along with precious amounts of time.
That's for art costs, writing, editing, translation, and voice acting.
It takes me months to save up enough to make a scene.
If I ever wanted quality L2D animation (a common request), that would be another $500-1000 on top.
These are the sacrifices I make for custom anime art and not Daz 3d templates.

The thing is, I literally do not have any money after rent, food, taking care of family, and medicine are accounted for.
My computer has been due for an upgrade for ten years and is on its last legs.
I would love to eat out and treat myself once in a while, but that’s extra money that could go toward the game.

I have under two dozen Patrons. That isn’t even enough to host my game’s website, much less a buy a house or whatever people think we're doing. I would love to earn enough for the game to fund itself, much less think about making a living from it.

This thread isn't about why games are stuck in "development hell" (if at all, it was about games just being shared here too early because there's not much to explore yet), but since you put some effort into your post, I want to adress one thing briefly:

What you describe is a common cash flow problem. Your project is too ambitious and big for the resources that are available to you (numbers of patreons, money coming in, power of your computer). It would be wise to scale down your project and start smaller so that it fits with your lifestyle and resources.

A smaller project means less stress and struggle for you plus faster update frequency. That means more content, more experience, more Patreons, more money. If your first project is finished and you got 100-200 Patreons and a predictable income, you can plan the next game according to your present resources. This is how you slowly scale up and grow.

Of course you're not getting anywhere when you're creating a game on a scale where single scenes do cost you 1000 bucks, while you're working on a 10 year old machine and have <26 Patreons. This is a project for way later.

But like I said, this thread isn't about game developers being too slow or something. I'd just like to see more completed games being uploaded to F95. Even if the pacing is fine and a dev has all the money they need (we have some examples for that here), a game that is 5% done yet and offers 20 minutes of gameplay with 15 dead ends and completely blueballing, it doesn't really do much for the player.

You can see this in the reviews for NLT Media's newest game, everyone is frustrated because the game isn't really enjoyable, despite that NLT is known for absolute high quality games. And this will for sure become one too, but it just isn't yet.

For the Patreons early releases make sense because they pay for having a say in the game, being able to vote and influence the direction. So naturally they want to play these early versions to get value out of their money.

But for people on a Pirate website who want to play games for entertainment, these titles do very little.