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Haha, true. The intro was freaking huge, when i first played the demo i honestly didn't think it was gonna be this long, maybe like 15 minutes, but i personally liked the story and the characters so i didn't mind it's length. As for the cliffhanger, definitely something to look forward to.
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Me personally I never liked the use of the black humanoid blob in most porn hentai based media. While I can agree on Ethan being a one dimensional character, one of the main aspects I enjoyed of the femdom genre has to be the slow decay of the submissive. Usually a female dominator takes advantage of a person's sexual kinks and or their overall vulnerability which both scenes show however. making Ethan a black blob where you can't see his expressions in my opinion would make Ethan even worse than he already is. We don't really see the Hero's decay in warrior guild due to the lack of expressions. A black blob especially in a game that is to an extent becoming more and more story/narrative driven can only take you so far. You have to take into account that the Hero might as well be nothing but a black blob since all the scenes where he is visible shows a black blob there. The Hero is not reduced to the background he is a black blob which was made as a way to more resonate with players similarly to Ethan.
I do not really see where you are coming from on the who cares that the Main characters do not have a choice in smelling the boots as both Ethan and the Hero have somewhat of a chance/choice to stop or ignore it entirely. For Ada all she does is give you an inch by taking her boots off while the Hero himself takes a mile by going completely on his knees to smell them while the same could be said for Yvonne where she takes off her boots. However, the difference lies in context Ethan has reached a point where he has become enthralled with Yvonne's boot smell to the point where Yvonne can capitalize on his growing weakness. Another way this scene gets better is when Yvonne's fire skill reaches a high enough level where Ethan now has a choice to either not use his grab block skill or auto fail the first attempt to resist Yvonne taking off her boots in battle. At that point I can kind of see you are doing it because she finds it amusing especially since you at that point (somewhat) lack the choice. While on the other hand Ada's scene she lets you sniff further after the first encounter she entices you more that not giving you a choice at all. Both protagonists can resist either way Ethan through the two other Quick time events should you make a deal to auto fail the first quick time event or the Hero by wearing the muzzle item however both characters have already degraded at that point Ethan since getting this scene requires Ethan to throw the battle enough times while the Hero's Domn-sub counter has tilted way over to the sub section to obtain AND wear the muzzle.
Yovonne's Boot scene has a bigger emphasis oh her boots because that's her preferred tool for domination like Scarlet and her heels/stockings or Eliza and her religious tools hell Amanda and her socks. Ada in comparison does not give me much to go off on her design at least Maggie despite being beta Scarlet gives me a taste of what she is going to be like.
I also find Ethan's decay more interesting because I am interested to see how each warden is able to sink Ethan lower and lower to see how far Ethan is willing to go just to nuzzle and worship the feet of each warden he encounters. I can agree that there are a lot of datamined images of Ethan from the 1.13 preview it just goes to show that the devs are trying to make Ethan's decay less surface level (even though they should be doing this after or alongside the 7th floor update).
For me I rather see Ethan's decay as he gets taken advantage of instead of seeing a black blob go through a similar but less interesting decay cycle especially if the Porn game I am playing is somewhat sub-par to begin with. Besides the collar system, The Hero's decay is kind of lackluster and feel like less interesting versions of the ToT decay. Maybe if there are more scenes in the future of WG I could see more Eye to Eye. However, I can agree on some of the points you brought up.
I do not really see where you are coming from on the who cares that the Main characters do not have a choice in smelling the boots as both Ethan and the Hero have somewhat of a chance/choice to stop or ignore it entirely. For Ada all she does is give you an inch by taking her boots off while the Hero himself takes a mile by going completely on his knees to smell them while the same could be said for Yvonne where she takes off her boots. However, the difference lies in context Ethan has reached a point where he has become enthralled with Yvonne's boot smell to the point where Yvonne can capitalize on his growing weakness. Another way this scene gets better is when Yvonne's fire skill reaches a high enough level where Ethan now has a choice to either not use his grab block skill or auto fail the first attempt to resist Yvonne taking off her boots in battle. At that point I can kind of see you are doing it because she finds it amusing especially since you at that point (somewhat) lack the choice. While on the other hand Ada's scene she lets you sniff further after the first encounter she entices you more that not giving you a choice at all. Both protagonists can resist either way Ethan through the two other Quick time events should you make a deal to auto fail the first quick time event or the Hero by wearing the muzzle item however both characters have already degraded at that point Ethan since getting this scene requires Ethan to throw the battle enough times while the Hero's Domn-sub counter has tilted way over to the sub section to obtain AND wear the muzzle.
Yovonne's Boot scene has a bigger emphasis oh her boots because that's her preferred tool for domination like Scarlet and her heels/stockings or Eliza and her religious tools hell Amanda and her socks. Ada in comparison does not give me much to go off on her design at least Maggie despite being beta Scarlet gives me a taste of what she is going to be like.
I also find Ethan's decay more interesting because I am interested to see how each warden is able to sink Ethan lower and lower to see how far Ethan is willing to go just to nuzzle and worship the feet of each warden he encounters. I can agree that there are a lot of datamined images of Ethan from the 1.13 preview it just goes to show that the devs are trying to make Ethan's decay less surface level (even though they should be doing this after or alongside the 7th floor update).
For me I rather see Ethan's decay as he gets taken advantage of instead of seeing a black blob go through a similar but less interesting decay cycle especially if the Porn game I am playing is somewhat sub-par to begin with. Besides the collar system, The Hero's decay is kind of lackluster and feel like less interesting versions of the ToT decay. Maybe if there are more scenes in the future of WG I could see more Eye to Eye. However, I can agree on some of the points you brought up.
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You're all just ignoring that making Ethan a "black blob" would be making Ethan a blank slate. What's the point of showing his hypnotized expressions when you can just roleplay as being hypnotized instead if that's your kink? Maybe I'm just asking people to play this game in a way that it isn't intended to be played (even though it is made in RPG Maker), or in a way that they don't really know how to play... but I'm pretty sure if all the new Ethan expressions that have to be made every time a new girl comes out (even though every other type of content is recycled lmao) were replaced by even more new content from the new girl, maybe using a first person perspective so it wouldn't matter that Ethan isn't in the picture anymore, ALMOST EVERYONE would be happier this way.
The less Ethan there is in this game, the easier it is to roleplay. There's a reason why a big portion of the Fallout fanbase was angry that the protagonist for Fallout 4 was actually voiced, so much so that there's mods out there that remove the hundred of thousands lines of dialogue that the sole survivor has (and must've taken Bethesda a ton of resources to create), without adding anything in return... and they're used by tons of people for roleplaying purposes.
The less Ethan there is in this game, the easier it is to roleplay. There's a reason why a big portion of the Fallout fanbase was angry that the protagonist for Fallout 4 was actually voiced, so much so that there's mods out there that remove the hundred of thousands lines of dialogue that the sole survivor has (and must've taken Bethesda a ton of resources to create), without adding anything in return... and they're used by tons of people for roleplaying purposes.
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any news what so ever about WG or tot on the horizon ? haven't payed much atention lately.. as in over a month
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Warrior Guild
User:So wednesday 1.0?
Koda:no maybe the fixes by then though
haven't decided if I wanna put out the fixes separately or just do 1.0
would probably say fri/say for 1.0 tentatively
if nothing comes up.
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I haven't played Warrior's Guild because I want to finish it in one go when it's ready instead of going back every week to play a couple new scenes so I can't do an overall comparison between Yvonne and Ada's scenes even if I wanted to. That's why I stuck to describing the pictures. And while the black blob might not be ideal, I still prefer it over Ethan being the focus. I want the MC's expressions and decay to be the supporting role to showcase each mistress. Looking at the pictures I feel that Ada is better showcased rather than Yvonne who just seems like an afterthought to you satisfying your addiction. If that isn't the case, it's because the writing and/or gameplay for Yvonne is better and makes that scene better overall, not because of the art.
Seeing those 2 pictures makes me remember the distinction between someone who serves just to satisfy his lust and someone who serves to satisfy his mistress. And while in the second picture it's unclear what your motives are, at the very least with a glance you understand it's something that Ada enjoys. In the first picture it's clear that your motive is just satisfying your lust.
Btw, I can't take the decay concept seriously in ToT. When you start the game, Ethan is like "I want to save my friends at all costs!". You get your ass kicked by Scarlett and after a while he becomes "I'll abandon my quest so I can serve you better mistress!". Then she allows you to go climb the tower for reasons I've forgotten, and once you get to the next floor you're at "I want to save my friends at all costs!" mode again. Rinse and repeat for each new floor. And I understand it's hard to do anything else, since the devs don't know if you submitted to the last boss or not, but nonetheless it loses its impact after seeing it happen again and again. Even if he falls deeper and deeper, once he goes to the next boss with all traces of past corruption gone and possessing a rediscovered supply of misplaced confidence, then any semblance of immersion will be broken.
With that in mind, I see them spending time to flesh out Ethan's decay instead of developing more CGs for the women as more of a negative thing. I do like it that it's not just a blob in ToT when Ethan is getting bullied by the mistresses. For instance looking at the CG of Lily shoving her stockinged foot in Ethan's mouth, I think that image would be much less hot if you replaced Ethan would just a blob. But if I had to choose between extremes like fleshing out Ethan so much that more than half the pictures are of just him, or having the game be first person perspective like GearlessJoe suggested, I'd pick the second option in a heartbeat.
Seeing those 2 pictures makes me remember the distinction between someone who serves just to satisfy his lust and someone who serves to satisfy his mistress. And while in the second picture it's unclear what your motives are, at the very least with a glance you understand it's something that Ada enjoys. In the first picture it's clear that your motive is just satisfying your lust.
Btw, I can't take the decay concept seriously in ToT. When you start the game, Ethan is like "I want to save my friends at all costs!". You get your ass kicked by Scarlett and after a while he becomes "I'll abandon my quest so I can serve you better mistress!". Then she allows you to go climb the tower for reasons I've forgotten, and once you get to the next floor you're at "I want to save my friends at all costs!" mode again. Rinse and repeat for each new floor. And I understand it's hard to do anything else, since the devs don't know if you submitted to the last boss or not, but nonetheless it loses its impact after seeing it happen again and again. Even if he falls deeper and deeper, once he goes to the next boss with all traces of past corruption gone and possessing a rediscovered supply of misplaced confidence, then any semblance of immersion will be broken.
With that in mind, I see them spending time to flesh out Ethan's decay instead of developing more CGs for the women as more of a negative thing. I do like it that it's not just a blob in ToT when Ethan is getting bullied by the mistresses. For instance looking at the CG of Lily shoving her stockinged foot in Ethan's mouth, I think that image would be much less hot if you replaced Ethan would just a blob. But if I had to choose between extremes like fleshing out Ethan so much that more than half the pictures are of just him, or having the game be first person perspective like GearlessJoe suggested, I'd pick the second option in a heartbeat.
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When you remove the context then Ada is kind of better. However I have always enjoyed context as to why person X has made it from point A to point B. Similarly to my opinion of the black blob First person mainly in a porn game has its limitations but works alot more than the black blob being the main character at least at that point I feel like I am in the shoes of that character than an unidentified humanoid thing. I completely see where you are coming from when you claim that you cannot take Ethan's decay seriously since he is a blank slate the moment he reaches the next floor this statement has merits.
Me personally I have rarely found the First Person perspective in Porn interesting. There is a point where each scene can come off as samey compared to having an actual person in the place of what is supposed to be you. The first person perspective does not work mainly if the porn game in question is focused on one type of porn genre like tower of trample with it's strong emphasis on foot fetish content all the feet are going to feel samey no matter how ya put it. I can admit that the first person view works in gaming if The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Minecraft, or pre-milked Call of Duty are of any indication but I do not bear the same feelings when it comes to porn.
You also have to take into account the style and tone you set for yourself as an artist or the franchise you start. Fallout and by extension The Elder Scrolls were built around the idea of immersing you into a world with interesting characters with the main character in a literal sense being an extension of you the player. Making even a tiny change to your established style can garner backlash. This is why Pokemon generation 5 was a failure as the games while being great games on their own merits suffered from having a darker tone, a stronger focus on story, and a huge focus of the new region pokemon being the only monsters obtainable compared to previous generations that were not even close to these changes. The same could be said as to why people disliked Fallout 4 just because the main character was able to speak as these games tried to change the status quo in a different way but were given fan backlash for it.
Bowei's "games" are somewhat inconsistent with the style he is trying to set they are either utilizing the black blob like in Mix Fight and Warrior Guild or have a Visible protagonist like in Being Stepped on Again and Tower of Trample the only thing these games have in common are the femdom foot fetish aspect. If we are just looking at Tower of Trample in its own vacuum then I believe that some scenes do not work if it was either in the first person perspective of if Ethan was a black blob if Ethan was somewhat faceless like the "protagonist" of Succubus Prison then maybe they could work but that is a hard maybe.
Me personally I have rarely found the First Person perspective in Porn interesting. There is a point where each scene can come off as samey compared to having an actual person in the place of what is supposed to be you. The first person perspective does not work mainly if the porn game in question is focused on one type of porn genre like tower of trample with it's strong emphasis on foot fetish content all the feet are going to feel samey no matter how ya put it. I can admit that the first person view works in gaming if The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Minecraft, or pre-milked Call of Duty are of any indication but I do not bear the same feelings when it comes to porn.
You also have to take into account the style and tone you set for yourself as an artist or the franchise you start. Fallout and by extension The Elder Scrolls were built around the idea of immersing you into a world with interesting characters with the main character in a literal sense being an extension of you the player. Making even a tiny change to your established style can garner backlash. This is why Pokemon generation 5 was a failure as the games while being great games on their own merits suffered from having a darker tone, a stronger focus on story, and a huge focus of the new region pokemon being the only monsters obtainable compared to previous generations that were not even close to these changes. The same could be said as to why people disliked Fallout 4 just because the main character was able to speak as these games tried to change the status quo in a different way but were given fan backlash for it.
Bowei's "games" are somewhat inconsistent with the style he is trying to set they are either utilizing the black blob like in Mix Fight and Warrior Guild or have a Visible protagonist like in Being Stepped on Again and Tower of Trample the only thing these games have in common are the femdom foot fetish aspect. If we are just looking at Tower of Trample in its own vacuum then I believe that some scenes do not work if it was either in the first person perspective of if Ethan was a black blob if Ethan was somewhat faceless like the "protagonist" of Succubus Prison then maybe they could work but that is a hard maybe.
I completely agree with you on the context being really important. I've found games like Monster Girl Dreams really interesting even though some of the characters there don't even have CGs. Msize's games which I have also praised might have great CGs too, but the reason I consider them to be masterpieces is due to how they break the MC bit by bit until he's completely dependent on the heroines. But since I haven't played WG I feel like I can't compare it to ToT on anything other than the CGs presented.
Now, I've only played Pokemon until Generation 3 and Fallout until Fallout 3, so those examples don't completely strike home with me, but I do understand the point you're making. I agree that it would change the tone already set, and as I said with the Lily example, my favorite scenes do include Ethan, they aren't first person perspective ones.
But that's Ethan getting dominated, not Ethan being the only person in the picture. And if I remember correctly (it's been a while since I last played it so I could be wrong) Ethan getting that much focus didn't really happen until Karen, and now with Cobra's millionth expansion so it does it like a change from the tone already set. Not to mention that seeing mainly Ethan isn't that different from seeing only the mistress in first person perspective in regards to how samey it will feel (hell at least the mistresses change each floor, so looking at Ethan will probably end up feeling more samey).
So if I had to look CGs that I would eventually feel were unoriginal, I would prefer it if they were of women instead of a man (even if that man is the MC) by a huge margin. And even more than that, I'd still prefer to have both in the picture. The path we're heading to according to the datamine though, with the game changing to become mostly Ethan focused, I consider to be the worst of all worlds.
Now, I've only played Pokemon until Generation 3 and Fallout until Fallout 3, so those examples don't completely strike home with me, but I do understand the point you're making. I agree that it would change the tone already set, and as I said with the Lily example, my favorite scenes do include Ethan, they aren't first person perspective ones.
But that's Ethan getting dominated, not Ethan being the only person in the picture. And if I remember correctly (it's been a while since I last played it so I could be wrong) Ethan getting that much focus didn't really happen until Karen, and now with Cobra's millionth expansion so it does it like a change from the tone already set. Not to mention that seeing mainly Ethan isn't that different from seeing only the mistress in first person perspective in regards to how samey it will feel (hell at least the mistresses change each floor, so looking at Ethan will probably end up feeling more samey).
So if I had to look CGs that I would eventually feel were unoriginal, I would prefer it if they were of women instead of a man (even if that man is the MC) by a huge margin. And even more than that, I'd still prefer to have both in the picture. The path we're heading to according to the datamine though, with the game changing to become mostly Ethan focused, I consider to be the worst of all worlds.
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Let's call it like it is...
The real reason why anyone who plays ToT would think that foot fetish scenarios in the first person feel samey is because Bo Wei is a lazy hack who's been reusing content like a maniac, and that's specially true of feet CGs used for first person scenes. I've been meaning to go back and count how many times different art has been used in ToT so I might do that now that I have time to spare, but I'm pretty sure the amount of times Bo Wei has drawn soles in his feet focused game can be counted in one hand. As an example, the very first drawing of a sole in ToT (Scarlett's), has been reused even fairly recently in Yvonne's expansion, for every single scene that involves feet and is from a first person perspective.
There's no reason why those kinds of scenes have to feel samey, if you were a passionate artist with a strong kink for feet then surely you'd put effort into drawing soles, ffs, and you'd be able to make them look different each time you did it.
I'm aware not everyone with a foot fetish is the same, for me the soles are the best part, for other people it may be the toenails, the arches, maybe Bo is a front-of-the-foot guy, Idk. I'll always find it bizarre how little effort he puts into drawing feet, though.
The real reason why anyone who plays ToT would think that foot fetish scenarios in the first person feel samey is because Bo Wei is a lazy hack who's been reusing content like a maniac, and that's specially true of feet CGs used for first person scenes. I've been meaning to go back and count how many times different art has been used in ToT so I might do that now that I have time to spare, but I'm pretty sure the amount of times Bo Wei has drawn soles in his feet focused game can be counted in one hand. As an example, the very first drawing of a sole in ToT (Scarlett's), has been reused even fairly recently in Yvonne's expansion, for every single scene that involves feet and is from a first person perspective.
There's no reason why those kinds of scenes have to feel samey, if you were a passionate artist with a strong kink for feet then surely you'd put effort into drawing soles, ffs, and you'd be able to make them look different each time you did it.
I'm aware not everyone with a foot fetish is the same, for me the soles are the best part, for other people it may be the toenails, the arches, maybe Bo is a front-of-the-foot guy, Idk. I'll always find it bizarre how little effort he puts into drawing feet, though.
First of all, I am not good at English. It was written as a translator.
I love Cobra. But her armpit,
I always kill the heart that loves her.
Many countries will enjoy TOT.
As far as I know, in three countries, the United States, Korea, and Japan,
I know you don't like armpits.
A small but shoulder-down censored version of Cobra.
I want to have a picture.
I love Cobra. But her armpit,
I always kill the heart that loves her.
Many countries will enjoy TOT.
As far as I know, in three countries, the United States, Korea, and Japan,
I know you don't like armpits.
A small but shoulder-down censored version of Cobra.
I want to have a picture.
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"I am so close to the end of the update, I just need a little more time to get it done. No delay this next time kthxbye."
*Two Weeks Later*
"I am so close to the end of the update, I just need a little more time to get it done. No delay this next time kthxbye."
Two Weeks Later*
"I am so close to the end of the update, I just need a little more time to get it done. No delay this next time kthxbye."
Two Weeks Later*
...you get the fucking picture.
*Two Weeks Later*
"I am so close to the end of the update, I just need a little more time to get it done. No delay this next time kthxbye."
Two Weeks Later*
"I am so close to the end of the update, I just need a little more time to get it done. No delay this next time kthxbye."
Two Weeks Later*
...you get the fucking picture.
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1 of two things is hapening either bo took a long summer vacation hence the collossal delay for an update or bo abandoned the project for good and koda is trying to milk what he can using bo's and his acc.. just saying...
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So browsing trough i've found a bunch of post,from Bowei on monday,some kind of new/explenation
First:problem is i can't dump 7f,7f is a such a pain in my ass right now i need to finish it but it occupies so much of my time and people don't treat koda's stuff as real update damn
Second:my plan was let koda makes some rapid stuff like scarlet expansion which would take only ~1month per release to fill the gap and turns out he's an ocd and spend too much time on details that only a few people would enjoy
Third:so my current plan is i'll finish 7f (my part)and give it to koda i guess in early sept so he would work on it like 3-4months
meanwhile in sept i am finally released from 7F jail i will never work on a long-term stuff again and work on some short and fun floor like 3 week worth of work and release something on 1 October or something and halloween shit on 31 Oct something like this so you guys may not see 7F in 2019 i guess
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First:problem is i can't dump 7f,7f is a such a pain in my ass right now i need to finish it but it occupies so much of my time and people don't treat koda's stuff as real update damn
Second:my plan was let koda makes some rapid stuff like scarlet expansion which would take only ~1month per release to fill the gap and turns out he's an ocd and spend too much time on details that only a few people would enjoy
Third:so my current plan is i'll finish 7f (my part)and give it to koda i guess in early sept so he would work on it like 3-4months
meanwhile in sept i am finally released from 7F jail i will never work on a long-term stuff again and work on some short and fun floor like 3 week worth of work and release something on 1 October or something and halloween shit on 31 Oct something like this so you guys may not see 7F in 2019 i guess
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Who predicted that floor 7 wouldn't drop in 2019? Because that guy was right and I don't know why I'm feeling surprised.
Wow the god of delays has really blessed these two.
Wow the god of delays has really blessed these two.
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Yea i dunno what happened with them, they went way in over their heads... It's gonna take like 18 months for his one floor to come out...
Well hopefully they learn their lesson and don't start such gigantic floors in the future...
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Beautiful poem. "I always kill the heart that loves her." I dont know what that means, but it looks deep af man
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