VN Ren'Py ToxiCity [v0.02] [ILSProductions]

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EZ8lt

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Can't say. We're 3 updates in, the two introduced love interests are both already in committed relationships and we haven't even gotten to see a nipple yet. So this is gonna be a very slow burn. I like it, but I've always liked Kinderfeld's writing across all of their games.

But you should probably try it yourself, if not now then after a few more updates. I happened to really enjoy Interim Domain, and thought those who were crying 'everyone is already dead and nothing matters' where all a bunch idiots. So don't use me as a yardstick, your mileage will vary.
It was less about the dude being stuck in limbo rather than actually it being boring after a while with Interim for me. I felt like NT had a better flow and overall better story, hence the question is more about the vibe it gives, whether it's similar for NT or ID.
 
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Ottoeight

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Can't say. We're 3 updates in, the two introduced love interests are both already in committed relationships and we haven't even gotten to see a nipple yet. So this is gonna be a very slow burn. I like it, but I've always liked Kinderfeld's writing across all of their games.

But you should probably try it yourself, if not now then after a few more updates. I happened to really enjoy Interim Domain, and thought those who were crying 'everyone is already dead and nothing matters' where all a bunch idiots. So don't use me as a yardstick, your mileage will vary.
It wasn't less about the dude being stuck in limbo rather than actually it being boring after a while with Interim for me. I felt like NT had a better flow and overall better story, hence the question is more about the vibe it gives, whether it's similar for NT or ID.

I really liked Now and Then, but I totally disliked Interim Domain and I stopped playing it after a few updates because I thought the characters were dull and uninteresting, the female characters sexy as furniture in a motel room, the dialogues boring and the whole backdrop depressing and boring as well.

Now I'm defintely liking this Toxicity. I wish this last update was longer, though.

I'm positive this is going to be a good story to read.
 

rudy007

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I really liked Now and Then, but I totally disliked Interim Domain and I stopped playing it after a few updates because I thought the characters were dull and uninteresting, the female characters sexy as furniture in a motel room, the dialogues boring and the whole backdrop depressing and boring as well.

Now I'm defintely liking this Toxicity. I wish this last update was longer, though.

I'm positive this is going to be a good story to read.
I'll agree with you. N&T was a great AVN, ID was... OK-ish? But not nearly good as N&T, a downgrade. Toxicity is, how to say it, at his beginnings, way to early to give a prediction. Story seams to be interesting.
What ILSProductions makes different from most of other devs is his work morale, monthly updates with good size, most devs cannot follow that speed. Even if the last update was little shorter (my personal opinion, I didn't count renders), it's still good size. And it stopped at an interesting place.
 
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pitao

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Just a question of taste I guess, I enjoyed both Now&Then and TID but still enjoyed a bit more TID because it has a bit more storytelling depth imho but they both tier S stories for me for AVNs. ToxiCity still too early to say, enjoyed playing the first release but was kind of short. 0.02 is on my queue next after finishing the game I'm playing atm and I'll see then the direction it is going.
 
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rambool

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I happened to really enjoy Interim Domain
Im super amazed confused and dumbfounded by amount of dislike or outright hatred ID gets. Of course its not N&T-2, its different, but its definitely not bad, in fact its better than 95% garbage on this site. And maybe even better than N&T at depth and story.
I hope dev wasnt discouraged by it and will deliver to us something good again.
 

pitao

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Im super amazed confused and dumbfounded by amount of dislike or outright hatred ID gets. Of course its not N&T-2, its different, but its definitely not bad, in fact its better than 95% garbage on this site. And maybe even better than N&T at depth and story.
I hope dev wasnt discouraged by it and will deliver to us something good again.
People love to compare almost incomparable things hehe that is how the world works I guess. They are 2 very good standalone stories and enjoyed them a lot but dunno why TID stayed in my memory longer, made me think harder and gave me stronger emotions and that is what I want from storytelling :).
 

Ottoeight

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People love to compare almost incomparable things hehe that is how the world works I guess. They are 2 very good standalone stories and enjoyed them a lot but dunno why TID stayed in my memory longer, made me think harder and gave me stronger emotions and that is what I want from storytelling :).
Well, I wasn't comparing. In my opinion N&T was good, and TID wasn't.

Anyway, I think the Author only deserves to be praised since he delivered and fully completed 2 whole AVNs, without fucking reworkings/remasterings (and shit like that), telling coherent stories which ended where and when they needed to end.

The dude didn't keep beating a dead horse, and this is good news in this deranged world of patreon funded AVNs.
 

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Im super amazed confused and dumbfounded by amount of dislike or outright hatred ID gets. Of course its not N&T-2, its different, but its definitely not bad, in fact its better than 95% garbage on this site. And maybe even better than N&T at depth and story.
I hope dev wasnt discouraged by it and will deliver to us something good again.
95% of the posters here on F95 are horney idiots with no taste, judging how 'good' something is (and thus how much praise they'll heap on it) entirely by how easily it helps them get off. Narrative, shot composition, character development; all of that is inconsequential to each of their laundry lists of personal kinks. Likewise try to criticize a game for any of these things and you'll have a cottage industry rise to its defense; because they see criticism of a game that caters to their kink as criticism of the kink, and thus a criticism of themselves.

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Generative AI slop is bad, and if you like it you have no taste; regardless of your kinks.
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So even if Now & Then had been supremely mid, it would still have a cadre of people heaping praise on it because it was a zombie apocalypse game with incest and a harem; and that's all that matters to the vast majority of horney dipshits on this forum. Now when The Interim Domain rolls around and Kinderfeld tries something more experimental with the premise, a lot of people bounce off of it because the game doesn't easily fit into a bunch of popular kink categories. Are there legit criticism you can level at it? Of course, but let's be real, that wasn't happening with the vast majority of people who were slagging off the game.

But I'm here for the ride, because Kinderfeld is good at writing interesting characters and dropping them into extreme circumstances and watching them bounce off one another. I don't need a specific kink to keep me interested, so TOXICity not having incest or ending without a massive harem won't be marks against it. Hell, after the last two games Kinderfeld has enough cache with me that I'd still probably sit through a kink I didn't like just to see where it goes.
 

pitao

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Well, I wasn't comparing. In my opinion N&T was good, and TID wasn't.

Anyway, I think the Author only deserves to be praised since he delivered and fully completed 2 whole AVNs, without fucking reworkings/remasterings (and shit like that), telling coherent stories which ended where and when they needed to end.

The dude didn't keep beating a dead horse, and this is good news in this deranged world of patreon funded AVNs.
No worries wasn't aimed at you, I tried to speak generally and I think it is normal human behavior to compare a little, just don't like the form sometimes the comparation is made hehe like one is the GOAT and the other is complete crap and shouldn't belong in the world :p. I'm not fond of people that navigate on extremes hehe but that is the state of the world nowadays in general, at least the few ones that make noise for hundreds and sometimes they are our leaders and those make noise for millions, and I better stop here because not the correct forum to navigate on those filthy seas hahaha.
 
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PaxHadrian17

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I digged Now & Then, but wasn't a fan of Interim Domain. Is it closer to the former or the latter?
Here is an excerpt from the Dec 28 Dev Log:

Let me clarify something that should become clearer as you play: Relationships in TOXICity are meant to be complicated. But, they're not always what they seem at face value. Even people who appear immediately unattached have deep issues that have to be managed. You must get to know these people and learn about their lives. This is especially true with Kallie, who requires you to build up multiple stats before she opens up to you about personal issues.

I will also say that we're doing a lot of on-the-fly learning about using HS2 Studio over HS1, and improvements should be noticeable as we progress through the game. 0.01.0 feels pretty basic, especially considering the scenes and content we're building for 0.03.0 and later. Both programs may have a similar setup and features but the way certain visual elements are achieved are vastly different. For example: making a flashlight beam visible used to just be a transparent item attached to the flashlight. Now it's a volumetric light source that has to be adjusted. As we continue, there's going to be a lot of toying with mods and plugins to achieve the story we want to present.


Dec 13 Dev Log:

we can promise that TOXICity will move a little quicker than N&T. Sure, there's going to be plenty of moments where you try to connect with the other characters, but we're not looking to have multiple chapters drag on.

So HS2 with a smaller cast, more complicated relationships, given the 5 stats that help to guide relationship and story dialogue/scenes, and many opportunities to connect with Laura, Kallie and other women when they join our small band of survivors.

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

mordred93

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Can't say. We're 3 updates in, the two introduced love interests are both already in committed relationships and we haven't even gotten to see a nipple yet. So this is gonna be a very slow burn. I like it, but I've always liked Kinderfeld's writing across all of their games.
We are on update 2 right? There wasn't a release I missed I think as this was v0.2. Also we have seen some girls in underwear after a few days, it's not like we are seeing nothing. Yes, it may be a slow burn, but this isn't glacial at this point.
 

mordred93

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One of the things my son and I talked about, is the funny thing in generational differences. My son has to have tier rankings for everything. Top 10 CDs, Top 10 Bands, Top 10 Games, etc. That is so he knows how to feel about them. He agonizes over his lists. Asks for input about where something should be #2 or #3. Personally, I am old enough that I don't give a shit. There is a simple ranking. Shit, Bad, Okay, Good, Awesome. Simple. Many games can be in any ranking. I don't have a #1, I don't care that much. There are very few things in my life that I have to have a favorite. Favorite color? I have 2. Favorite game? Dozens. I do have a favorite band, and has been there for 40 years. Outside of that, Meh, not enough to waste brain power on.
 

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We are on update 2 right? There wasn't a release I missed I think as this was v0.2. Also we have seen some girls in underwear after a few days, it's not like we are seeing nothing. Yes, it may be a slow burn, but this isn't glacial at this point.
Yeah, my mistake. I thought the Prologue was it's own release, but I misremembered. But for comparison, Carol's first sexual encounter with Jack in Now & Then takes place in Chapter 5, and is preceded by 7 other various scenes starting from Chapter 2 onward; from dreams and flashbacks to accidental and purposeful voyeurism. There's nothing wrong with that, or for that matter with the current pace of TOXICity, but even Now & Then was considered a slow burn by the low standards of the too horney dipshits on this forum.

Still, I'm not expecting this to turn into 2+ years of blue-balling the way some other infamous projects have.
 

rudy007

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Yeah, my mistake. I thought the Prologue was it's own release, but I misremembered. But for comparison, Carol's first sexual encounter with Jack in Now & Then takes place in Chapter 5, and is preceded by 7 other various scenes starting from Chapter 2 onward; from dreams and flashbacks to accidental and purposeful voyeurism. There's nothing wrong with that, or for that matter with the current pace of TOXICity, but even Now & Then was considered a slow burn by the low standards of the too horney dipshits on this forum.

Still, I'm not expecting this to turn into 2+ years of blue-balling the way some other infamous projects have.
ILSProductions first set the stage, we get know the main cast and then we get the rest (relationships, romance, sex). And we get monthly release of the game, even free release in within a week of first release. We get first scenes probably before summer.
 

mordred93

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Yeah, my mistake. I thought the Prologue was it's own release, but I misremembered. But for comparison, Carol's first sexual encounter with Jack in Now & Then takes place in Chapter 5, and is preceded by 7 other various scenes starting from Chapter 2 onward; from dreams and flashbacks to accidental and purposeful voyeurism. There's nothing wrong with that, or for that matter with the current pace of TOXICity, but even Now & Then was considered a slow burn by the low standards of the too horney dipshits on this forum.

Still, I'm not expecting this to turn into 2+ years of blue-balling the way some other infamous projects have.
No worries, I have followed ILS from N&T from version1, so I was like I didn't miss a release did I? I figured it was a fat finger, but had to ask. And I agree. A little of a slow burn is not a bad thing. The fun thing in this game, the dynamics, I am already seeing. The HR lady (forget her name ATM), flirts and is older, might blow off some steam more quickly. Kallie, being younger, will take more to impress. Seeing how they interact, will be interesting (possessive, friendly, etc.) I agree, this won't be 2 years before we see anything based on ILS's history.
 

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Just came around finishing it. Usually I dont start playing newly released games in the blue balls stage, but i made an exeption for ILSP, cause Kinderfeldts storytelling kicks asses.
Also, it seems this game is all about Netori as it seems (not that i mind, en contraire..). Is there any information if MCs Ex Nancy will come into play later? She's mentioned to often for being a red herring. As she supposedly has a new guy, it'd fit the netori trope. Probably make here suffer jealousy of MCs harem (if there will be one...).
 

resgar

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Well, this IS a thing. Man, i gotta tell you. This game is so much better than previous one. Like. Will follow.
 
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Well, this IS a thing. Man, i gotta tell you. This game is so much better than previous one. Like. Will follow.
Now & Then is great but has such a weak last 1/3 of the story. The Interim Domain is not bad in the story and narration department but is so unsatisfactory given how the story dynamic works and how all the progress you make is thrown out of the window.
 
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