RPGM [Translation Request] The Mask of Blue and Silver/蒼銀の仮面 [Nuko Majin]

[monsterartisan]

depends if we are talking about the same thing.
you have: 1) making money and sponsors and politics your no.1 priority and working on your game with what time and energy you have left.
and 2) Having passion for your work / actually have solid idea what you want to create and work hard to get it done. and fans and money are side product of success

The connection was seen sooo many times in so many different genres. Like the whole fanbase from one of those popular games ( i think it was midnight paradise, could be a different title) were dissapointed in lack of real progress when author moved his project to steam or something, and progress was not so good.

George r r martin was only ever productive before he was famous. then he spent all his time marketing, and didn't release another relevant book since 2011.

Bethesda was only productive when they worked without asking for money. since they got famous in 2011 they switched politics and re released skyrim in 100 different ways(which mind you modders do anyway for free) and another example of "didn't do anything relevant since 2011" but they market every single small step which may or may not mean anything.

One punch man came out of no where. was success. Since then it was heavily marketed, but to fanbase it's shit: Literaly one man fan puts out projects better than what the actual studio does.

The whole western gaming industry was crippled because politics entered the discussion and it was more important to pass an individual's personal ideology or personal life-style into it, and directors had to listen to directive instead on actual gameplay.

Vtmb bloodline is apparently better from 2004 than from 2025. Like lead designer was fired for caring too much.

what I described is not just about hatefull comments. All described behaviours and actions are like flags that lets you know there is high probability of either failure or delay without purpose.

here's a list of them: 1) marketing politics /one person's views / a diversity quantity as a requisite.
2) making promises and releasing the exact same thing over and over.
3) All this time intensively market and ask for money
4) fire ppl who care about the source material.

reason: developer actively spends time and energy on all said things. I've seen many times ppl saying Nuko is good but lazy. Now imagine how much less he does if he spends time and effort on things that don't actually add to game content.
Saying what the whole community thinks and talks isn't correlated: then why talk at all? Of course that is one of the things that adds to result. It's not necessarily major thing, but it definitely can have weight. If for community it is only acceptable to put out quality results than it this will be an option with less resistance for developer. If politics and card companies hold more importance that they will decide the path of less resistence. There is only so much time and effort developer has.


I consider fanbase for which "release of quality content" = "give me some money" ="ok" a healthy one
"I give promises" or "We chose the best ratio for diversity, because that particular race is the best actor for the role" or "here skyrim 3.3, which added exactly 1 dog fart to the game, give me money"or "I wonder by how many months the author will delay his work this time" or"I posted a hard written article which lets you know I am alive but not mach else" or "lets censor what the developer wants to draw and a buyer wants to pay for" And a fanbase for which any of these are acceptable i consider delusional.

I would give kuru (or kul) sisters as an example of asking for money while working done right, because when they add trial or content it actually means something.

I don't even know where to begin with this. There is so many things here that won't apply to small time Eroge development. The original topic being toxicity spam(which again, doesn't do anything good as constructive criticism is the only thing useful compared to something like "why take money when content so low, you lazy") and the reference to review bombing which you said makes you think was "effective". Which doesn't really make sense when I was referring to nonsense outrage to something insignificant, which is very similar to the harassment going on in ci-en.

I think you might need to revise most of this. I actually don't understand some of the sentences with all the errors. I don't even know what politics have to do with this at all.

So I still stand by what I said since there is a lot of things that feels undecipherable in this text...

 

[Jojo8888888888]

I don't even know where to begin with this. There is so many things here that won't apply to small time Eroge development. The original topic being toxicity spam(which again, doesn't do anything good as constructive criticism is the only thing useful compared to something like "why take money when content so low, you lazy") and the reference to review bombing which you said makes you think was "effective". Which doesn't really make sense when I was referring to nonsense outrage to something insignificant, which is very similar to the harassment going on in ci-en.

I think you might need to revise most of this. I actually don't understand some of the sentences with all the errors. I don't even know what politics have to do with this at all.

So I still stand by what I said since there is a lot of things that feels undecipherable in this text...

I agree on toxicity for no purpose being negative. I think in particular case of Nuko many should just have patience and stay away from the topic. As we have no way of knowing. If he delivers they will be in wrong. if he doesn't he will haave deserve it. If he delivers it in 2 years. I don't know. He kinda deserves it? depends. But yeah spam hating for unknown things is wrong.

As for my response I re-read it before posting for being message wise correct / the truth. I know there are many gramatical errors, I don't care. bc, i know the message can be understood, on this point you are either nitpicking or you just need to properly read and research.

but basically point is: When you see the same pattern over and over again it is no longer coincidence or without connection.

 

[monsterartisan]

I agree on toxicity for no purpose being negative. I think in particular case of Nuko many should just have patience and stay away from the topic. As we have no way of knowing. If he delivers they will be in wrong. if he doesn't he will haave deserve it. If he delivers it in 2 years. I don't know. He kinda deserves it? depends. But yeah spam hating for unknown things is wrong.

As for my response I re-read it before posting for being message wise correct / the truth. I know there are many gramatical errors, I don't care. bc, i know the message can be understood, on this point you are either nitpicking or you just need to properly read and research.

but basically point is: When you see the same pattern over and over again it is no longer coincidence or without connection.

Well yeah, that was the main point. The pointless toxicity on the ci-en page. I have also said this before that this might just negatively affect the development as well. If what the other user here theorized is true that this is Nuko's side job/passion project and has an actual day job. If you put yourself in this situation, this kind of toxicity can be a blow to motivation.

Oh and no, I was not being nitpicky. There are some that I actually did not understand.

 

[Jojo8888888888]

Well yeah, that was the main point. The pointless toxicity on the ci-en page. I have also said this before that this might just negatively affect the development as well. If what the other user here theorized is true that this is Nuko's side job/passion project and has an actual day job. If you put yourself in this situation, this kind of toxicity can be a blow to motivation.

Oh and no, I was not being nitpicky. There are some that I actually did not understand.

On this much we agree
well if you want you can copy me those parts and I will elaborate. no problem. we can also stop. I'll leave this up to you.

 

[monsterartisan]

On this much we agree
well if you want you can copy me those parts and I will elaborate. no problem. we can also stop. I'll leave this up to you.

It's fine for now. I'll ask clarification in DM's when I have the time.

 

[Somoren]

depends if we are talking about the same thing.
you have: 1) making money and sponsors and politics your no.1 priority and working on your game with what time and energy you have left.
and 2) Having passion for your work / actually have solid idea what you want to create and work hard to get it done. and fans and money are side product of success

The connection was seen sooo many times in so many different genres. Like the whole fanbase from one of those popular games ( i think it was midnight paradise, could be a different title) were dissapointed in lack of real progress when author moved his project to steam or something, and progress was not so good.

George r r martin was only ever productive before he was famous. then he spent all his time marketing, and didn't release another relevant book since 2011.

Bethesda was only productive when they worked without asking for money. since they got famous in 2011 they switched politics and re released skyrim in 100 different ways(which mind you modders do anyway for free) and another example of "didn't do anything relevant since 2011" but they market every single small step which may or may not mean anything.

One punch man came out of no where. was success. Since then it was heavily marketed, but to fanbase it's shit: Literaly one man fan puts out projects better than what the actual studio does.

The whole western gaming industry was crippled because politics entered the discussion and it was more important to pass an individual's personal ideology or personal life-style into it, and directors had to listen to directive instead on actual gameplay.

Vtmb bloodline is apparently better from 2004 than from 2025. Like lead designer was fired for caring too much.

what I described is not just about hatefull comments. All described behaviours and actions are like flags that lets you know there is high probability of either failure or delay without purpose.

here's a list of them: 1) marketing politics /one person's views / a diversity quantity as a requisite.
2) making promises and releasing the exact same thing over and over.
3) All this time intensively market and ask for money
4) fire ppl who care about the source material.

reason: developer actively spends time and energy on all said things. I've seen many times ppl saying Nuko is good but lazy. Now imagine how much less he does if he spends time and effort on things that don't actually add to game content.
Saying what the whole community thinks and talks isn't correlated: then why talk at all? Of course that is one of the things that adds to result. It's not necessarily major thing, but it definitely can have weight. If for community it is only acceptable to put out quality results than it this will be an option with less resistance for developer. If politics and card companies hold more importance that they will decide the path of less resistence. There is only so much time and effort developer has.


I consider fanbase for which "release of quality content" = "give me some money" ="ok" a healthy one
"I give promises" or "We chose the best ratio for diversity, because that particular race is the best actor for the role" or "here skyrim 3.3, which added exactly 1 dog fart to the game, give me money"or "I wonder by how many months the author will delay his work this time" or"I posted a hard written article which lets you know I am alive but not mach else" or "lets censor what the developer wants to draw and a buyer wants to pay for" And a fanbase for which any of these are acceptable i consider delusional.

I would give kuru (or kul) sisters as an example of asking for money while working done right, because when they add trial or content it actually means something.

So many gross oversimplifications in this comment makes me want to pull my hair off, jesus christ on the cross

Edit: The card company debacle didn't have much effect on the japanese side of hentai games development since the japanese goverment is actively pushing against it and Ci-en + DLsite have more means for online transactions, granted local methods, but that's were most of their customer base is located.
Also this "but basically point is: When you see the same pattern over and over again it is no longer coincidence or without connection", you can still fall for confirmation bias just like what happened with MMR vaccines and autism (MMR vaccines are administrated around the time when autism simptoms are more noticeable, thus many parents linked the vaccine with their children developing the 'tism, you get the idea)

 

[Jhonjairo09]

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[Jojo8888888888]

So many gross oversimplifications in this comment makes me want to pull my hair off, jesus christ on the cross

Edit: The card company debacle didn't have much effect on the japanese side of hentai games development since the japanese goverment is actively pushing against it and Ci-en + DLsite have more means for online transactions, granted local methods, but that's were most of their customer base is located.
Also this "but basically point is: When you see the same pattern over and over again it is no longer coincidence or without connection", you can still fall for confirmation bias just like what happened with MMR vaccines and autism (MMR vaccines are administrated around the time when autism simptoms are more noticeable, thus many parents linked the vaccine with their children developing the 'tism, you get the idea)

so many words and you said not a single concrete thing.
CC companies had and possibly still do have direct effect on me as some games are hidden based on location. what you say about dl site is borderline correct but leaning towards wrong, because you made it sound it's easy. Buying on dl site is a pain in the ass in Europe(or at least some countries in it?) I have exactly 1 option which is a great pain in the ass using third parties, and the proceedure is super annoying. it's actually the sole reason I buy so rarely. I buy much more often on steam. So yeah. to extent it does harm developers as they have fewer buyers. Few? many? now do you have actual statistics to actually know or is source trust me bro? The japanese government censoring censorship was one of the best moves lately. hope they continue to save themselves before their culture is gone.
And your point of vaccines is what? The exact same problem is with korona timing. we were always taught that to properly test vaccines you need at least 20 years, and for korona that was thrown into the wind.
Point out specific problem either here or in dm and we can discus it. else in this exact same way ppl can pull their hair out for the exact opposite argument, bc to ignore connection is as naive as to conect it directly without question

 

[Jojo8888888888]

for vast majority my argument was about cases I follow since start, is practical and concrete, so I stand by what I said. I simplified it yes, which does not equate it is not true. it's almost an essay as it is already

 

[Somoren]

so many words and you said not a single concrete thing.

You're mixing a lot of unrelated things together, so let me narrow it down to the actual point I was making: noticing a pattern does not automatically mean there’s a connection. That’s exactly why I brought up the vaccine/autism example. Not because it’s the same issue, but as an example: two things happening around the same time does not prove one caused the other. That’s confirmation bias, nothing more. I'll do you one of the things you mentioned Bethesda, because it’s a good example of how you’re oversimplifying the situation.

You said they got famous, then got lazy and political, sp quality dropped but it has nothing to do with fame or politics and everything to do with how Bethesda works as a company, they didn’t just become popular they became valuable to investors so once shareholders gained more influence by buying shares, their profit expectations went up so that shifted the studio’s incentives from make the best game we can to meet the quota, maximize gains.
The result is stagnation, re-releases, safe design, and long development cycles. NOT because they’re spending time on marketing or ideology, but because they’re operating under the expectations and pressures of the shareholders.

This isn’t unique to Bethesda you can look at any triple A company, it’s how publicly traded companies work, it’s not about individual passion vs. greed but corporate incentives. That’s why I push back on your pattern = proof logic. Real causes are usually structural, not ideological, and if you assume the cause just because it feels intuitive, you risk misleading yourself or being misled and baited with ideologies and narratives.

Also this:

some games are hidden based on location

The CC companies can't hide what you see, they can simply not give you their services to buy it, not being able to see certain contents is about your country's policies.

 

[Jojo8888888888]

You're mixing a lot of unrelated things together, so let me narrow it down to the actual point I was making: noticing a pattern does not automatically mean there’s a connection. That’s exactly why I brought up the vaccine/autism example. Not because it’s the same issue, but as an example: two things happening around the same time does not prove one caused the other. That’s confirmation bias, nothing more. I'll do you one of the things you mentioned Bethesda, because it’s a good example of how you’re oversimplifying the situation.

You said they got famous, then got lazy and political, sp quality dropped but it has nothing to do with fame or politics and everything to do with how Bethesda works as a company, they didn’t just become popular they became valuable to investors so once shareholders gained more influence by buying shares, their profit expectations went up so that shifted the studio’s incentives from make the best game we can to meet the quota, maximize gains.
The result is stagnation, re-releases, safe design, and long development cycles. NOT because they’re spending time on marketing or ideology, but because they’re operating under the expectations and pressures of the shareholders.

This isn’t unique to Bethesda you can look at any triple A company, it’s how publicly traded companies work, it’s not about individual passion vs. greed but corporate incentives. That’s why I push back on your pattern = proof logic. Real causes are usually structural, not ideological, and if you assume the cause just because it feels intuitive, you risk misleading yourself or being misled and baited with ideologies and narratives.

Also this:

The CC companies can't hide what you see, they can simply not give you their services to buy it, not being able to see certain contents is about your country's policies.

Hm. interesting. it's a surprise. your words about Bethesda now are as if they would come out of my mouth if I expanded topic further. But aren't you just slighty contradicting yourself? " You said they got famous, then got lazy and political " + " The result is stagnation, re-releases, safe design, and long development cycles. NOT because they’re spending time on marketing or ideology, but because they’re operating under the expectations and pressures of the shareholders. "

I mean yes, the reasons are as you listed them + the team is not the same as it was + many other difficulties. But result is in the end the same.

Why not both? Causes are indeed structural. I am indeed intuitive but not solely.Whaat motivates structures are often money, and ideologies, and the path of least resistence. I wouldn't insist on one specific answear here, but just say to be observant when you see patterns. They are not actual proof, but ultimately it costs you much more to ignore them than not to.

 

[Somoren]

Im telling you, ideologies have no place in a company, specially not some as big as Bethesda which are ALSO owned by Microsoft iirc; they only seek that which will make them money

Edit: If anything, Bethesda games have become a watered down version of what they used to be; they used to be overtly political back in Fallout 1&2 with lots of satire

 

[Jojo8888888888]

Im telling you, ideologies have no place in a company, specially not some as big as Bethesda which are ALSO owned by Microsoft iirc; they only seek that which will make them money

Edit: If anything, Bethesda games have become a watered down version of what they used to be; they used to be overtly political back in Fallout 1&2 with lots of satire

Ok. Now I understand why my original post is problematic. It's not really clear what goes where. I listed Bethesda for their productivity and in their particular case ideology may not be big problem. I honestly think tes vi may still turn out great.
But still, i don't know if they are completely free from politics. From 2002 to 2011 Bethesda was free. they didn't care, they could be rasist (especially Morrowind) and just told the story like they wanted it to. Have you played starfield? It felt like they were scared of what they can say, the dialogue/story was boring, and moons are empty. The statues and females were censored from oblivion 2006 into oblivion remastered 2025. Like females are less feminine. armor for golden saint's and dark seducers is censored. Oblivion remastered is quite good, but I am sceptical how it will turn out

 

[Jojo8888888888]

and that's another example of patterns used to illustrate a point. A couple of examples is coincidence. But like Asmongold (commenting video from Angelikatosh )
has like 40min video of censorship from oblivion to oblivion remastered.

 

[Somoren]

and that's another example of patterns used to illustrate a point. A couple of examples is coincidence. But like Asmongold (commenting video from Angelikatosh )
has like 40min video of censorship from oblivion to oblivion remastered.

That's the company trying to get past the +18 age restriction mark lmao. If you tell me it's Chinese censorship then maybe, but globally? Age restriction, it's been like this since it's inception ofc.

Just did a quick google search, like i said man, stop falling for narratives. It's money, it's always money

 

[Jojo8888888888]

That's the company trying to get past the +18 age restriction mark lmao. If you tell me it's Chinese censorship then maybe, but globally? Age restriction, it's been like this since it's inception ofc.

Just did a quick google search, like i said man, stop falling for narratives. It's money, it's always money

This is proving to be a difficult, complex topic. No I actually think Chinese industry is doing incredible because they produced black myth wukong, which is game of the year caliber, and it's not the only quality game.


This is not about +18. I mean for you killing a person is ok kid friendly, but a detailed chest is a problem? And you don't see how politics set this double standards and conditions to begin with? We are not even talking about nudity, because originl oblivion has none. it's more like feminist or someone being offended by weird things.

There is always a narrative these last years. I hate politics it's just unovoidable.

And I actually have cases which are more extreme and not about money, just not from Bethesda. I put some in og message and I have more. How else can you explaain things like amazon's lord of the rings series which is in great minus. Ubisoft stock is flatlined. I think you are just wrong on this. Because Vtmb also chose agenda higher ups wanted and not what fanbase wanted. You think this is profitable?

 

[Somoren]

Black myth wukong is legit 50% cutscenes and the last level is unfinished, so I dont know what you enjoyed about it, I managed to refund it even when I had put more than 2 hours in it. Also I don't set the standards how what is acceptable and what isn't, you'll have to take that conversation up to the people that make those rules.

The Amazon thing I dunno, I haven't seen it, Ubisoft has been creatively bankrupt for a loong while and I dont see how that has anything to do with politics or any agenda, WatchDogs and their constant broken promises and buggy messes were nails for their coffin. Vtmb I dont know what it stands for but you just proved my point. You're trying to see politics in every place a.k.a. Confirmation Bias, only taking what supports your idea/narrative. I'll leave it here, we're very off-topic as is already

 

[Jojo8888888888]

Black myth wukong is legit 50% cutscenes and the last level is unfinished, so I dont know what you enjoyed about it, I managed to refund it even when I had put more than 2 hours in it. Also I don't set the standards how what is acceptable and what isn't, you'll have to take that conversation up to the people that make those rules.

The Amazon thing I dunno, I haven't seen it, Ubisoft has been creatively bankrupt for a loong while and I dont see how that has anything to do with politics or any agenda, WatchDogs and their constant broken promises and buggy messes were nails for their coffin. Vtmb I dont know what it stands for but you just proved my point. You're trying to see politics in every place a.k.a. Confirmation Bias, only taking what supports your idea/narrative. I'll leave it here, we're very off-topic as is already

yes yes let's agree to disagree and end this. i cannot take seriously what you said abouth black myth wukong. gameplay was enjoyable, and cutscenes are better than any wukong movie. I watched all 3hours of cutscenes on yt, and treated it like a good movie after playing the game.

And no I don't see politics everywhere, we were just talking about how it affects gaming and fanbase and nuko is somewhere in the gray area, for who time will tell.

I see 0 politics in Black myth wukong. 0 politics in kuru's sister hentai games. 0 politics in fatekeeper which is not chinese, so you wont think I like particulary them. No the only thing that matters to me is that devs can do their jobs freely, and fans get content they want to play

 

[Jojo8888888888]

and to answear about Ubisoft: Their latest game was unsuccessful, but was gaslighted as if it were successful. So your comment about broken promises is 100% in place. in general with ubisoft related issues one thing is spoken the other is done. Not entirely Ubisoft's fault, but hey: again from your own mouth their death was a slow one. Should have acted sooner

 

[Werxdyuu]

By the way, has there been any recent update, or is trial version 0.5 still the latest?