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[Purple_Heart]

Strange how you people always blame the mods and staff for problems caused by members!

It's difficult to understand how a false-positive issue created by the developer somehow becomes a problem blamed on the forum members. Moderators and administrators could easily address this by enforcing clearer, stricter rules, as many other platforms do.

For example, asking questions that are already answered in the original post could result in a temporary thread ban (say, one week). This could even be added as a report category, allowing more attentive users to flag such behavior. The result would be a cleaner, higher-quality forum, and moderation would actually become easier, moderators would only need to verify the original post to confirm the issue.

If the platform continues to tolerate low-effort or redundant comments, they'll naturally multiply and degrade the quality of discussion. The real responsibility lies not with those making poor contributions, but with those allowing such behavior to persist.

Apologies if this comes across as blunt, I'm simply trying to make the point as clearly as possible.

 

[Otaku111]

I mean, since they knew it was just a false-positive, they could have given a day in advance to compile the useful info from the thread no... but what ever I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That would not have helped. Even if they had put a huge banner in the OP.

You completely missed what I said. One has nothing to do with the other.
The day in advance I was referring to would have given us the opportunity to filter the helpful info from the BS and back it up externally, off-site. That thread was years of info — not to prevent the nuking, but to prevent the permanent loss of some info.

 

[morphnet]

It's difficult to understand how a false-positive issue created by the developer somehow becomes a problem blamed on the forum members.

False-positives in general can be caused by many things ranging from the AV settings the users has to the behavior of the application and many things in between. There is a thread on this site discussing infections, there is information and tools available all over the internet, jumping the gun and reporting without double checking seems like a good reason to point to members. The mods and staff acted in the best interests of the community.

https://f95zone.to/threads/recent-malware-infected-games.207437/

Moderators and administrators could easily address this by enforcing clearer, stricter rules, as many other platforms do.

I'll quote my post you are replying to...

Do you know how many tickets they deal with each day?
Do you know how many reports they deal with each day?
Do you know how many DM's they get each day?
Do you know how many threads need to be cleaned up each day?
Do you know how many games / comics / clips / assets etc. they have to deal with each day?
Do you know how much work they have to do in the background each day?

You do realize they are ALL volunteers right?
You do realize they do NOT all login each day at the same time right?

This is to show that it only seems "easy" if you don't take into account the current work load which only grows larger as the community grows as well as the number of mods and staff who volunteer and do have personal lives so their time is limited.

For example, asking questions that are already answered in the original post could result in a temporary thread ban (say, one week).

Is this to be a rule for a specific thread or site wide?

If for a specific thread, that would cause a number of problems, not the least being members complaining they and/or their thread are being targeted (i.e. mods abusing power).
If site wide, do you have any idea just how many threads have people asking questions already answered in the OP? The handful of volunteer mods and staff would get nothing else done.

This could even be added as a report category, allowing more attentive users to flag such behavior.

As sam already has his hands full with the new site update which people are already complaining is taking too long even though he is working on it by himself, even if that was to be considered there is a line a mile long of previous requests waiting to be added and it would not happen in time to stop the issue the thread was causing.

to give you some idea

https://f95zone.to/forums/features-request.13/
https://f95zone.to/forums/planned-features.86/

The result would be a cleaner, higher-quality forum, and moderation would actually become easier, moderators would only need to verify the original post to confirm the issue.

Not really, unofficial links are no longer added to the OP and it would also rely on members correctly AND actively flagging, not to mention the complains of people arriving to see posts missing and NOT reading why and just complaining off the bat. etc.

https://f95zone.to/threads/too-many-android-posts-in-every-game.274141/
https://f95zone.to/threads/too-many-android-posts-in-every-game.274141/post-18395223

If the platform continues to tolerate low-effort or redundant comments, they'll naturally multiply and degrade the quality of discussion. The real responsibility lies not with those making poor contributions, but with those allowing such behavior to persist.

They don't allow it to "persist" which is why actions taken range from post deletions to thread bans to locked threads to threads being removed as in this case. And the responsibility in part DOES lie with those making poor contributions as they agree to the rules of the site when they joined.

It is strange though that you are placing all the emphasis on the site, mods and staff. I would think you would advocate for at least a minimum standard for the members too? You've been on this site long enough to have run into members asking for saves when there is one posted 2 replies above theirs or members asking "update when" with the date being posted a few replies above.

Supposedly having read the site rules

Members post off-topic, mods delete posts, somehow mods at fault
Members post invalid review, mods delete review, somehow mods at fault
Members post banned content, mods ban member, somehow mods at fault
etc. etc. etc.

People always seem to forget these types of members exist when mods and staff have to take action precisely because of members like this and so jump straight to blaming the mods and staff....

The FACT is there is only a handful of mods and staff who volunteer their time for this community, they all have their own personal lives and do the best they can while receiving complaints, abuse and little to no thanks and yet have managed to make the site what it is.

Is it really asking to much that members do the bare minimum?

Apologies if this comes across as blunt, I'm simply trying to make the point as clearly as possible.

No apologies needed, I'm blunt too.

 

[morphnet]

You completely missed what I said. One has nothing to do with the other.
The day in advance I was referring to would have given us the opportunity to filter the helpful info from the BS and back it up externally, off-site. That thread was years of info — not to prevent the nuking, but to prevent the permanent loss of some info.

I did get it. It would not have prevented people asking for links to the backup.

The part about the huge banner in the OP was in context to just locking the thread. If they just removed the links, locked the thread and placed a banner in the OP with a link to the backup people would still ask for the link to the back up / complain about links in the backup.

 

[Purple_Heart]

False-positives in general can be caused by many things ranging from the AV settings the users has to the behavior of the application and many things in between. There is a thread on this site discussing infections, there is information and tools available all over the internet, jumping the gun and reporting without double checking seems like a good reason to point to members. The mods and staff acted in the best interests of the community.

https://f95zone.to/threads/recent-malware-infected-games.207437/



I'll quote my post you are replying to...



This is to show that it only seems "easy" if you don't take into account the current work load which only grows larger as the community grows as well as the number of mods and staff who volunteer and do have personal lives so their time is limited.



Is this to be a rule for a specific thread or site wide?

If for a specific thread, that would cause a number of problems, not the least being members complaining they and/or their thread are being targeted (i.e. mods abusing power).
If site wide, do you have any idea just how many threads have people asking questions already answered in the OP? The handful of volunteer mods and staff would get nothing else done.



As sam already has his hands full with the new site update which people are already complaining is taking too long even though he is working on it by himself, even if that was to be considered there is a line a mile long of previous requests waiting to be added and it would not happen in time to stop the issue the thread was causing.

to give you some idea

https://f95zone.to/forums/features-request.13/
https://f95zone.to/forums/planned-features.86/



Not really, unofficial links are no longer added to the OP and it would also rely on members correctly AND actively flagging, not to mention the complains of people arriving to see posts missing and NOT reading why and just complaining off the bat. etc.

https://f95zone.to/threads/too-many-android-posts-in-every-game.274141/
https://f95zone.to/threads/too-many-android-posts-in-every-game.274141/post-18395223



They don't allow it to "persist" which is why actions taken range from post deletions to thread bans to locked threads to threads being removed as in this case. And the responsibility in part DOES lie with those making poor contributions as they agree to the rules of the site when they joined.

It is strange though that you are placing all the emphasis on the site, mods and staff. I would think you would advocate for at least a minimum standard for the members too? You've been on this site long enough to have run into members asking for saves when there is one posted 2 replies above theirs or members asking "update when" with the date being posted a few replies above.

Supposedly having read the site rules

Members post off-topic, mods delete posts, somehow mods at fault
Members post invalid review, mods delete review, somehow mods at fault
Members post banned content, mods ban member, somehow mods at fault
etc. etc. etc.

People always seem to forget these types of members exist when mods and staff have to take action precisely because of members like this and so jump straight to blaming the mods and staff....

The FACT is there is only a handful of mods and staff who volunteer their time for this community, they all have their own personal lives and do the best they can while receiving complaints, abuse and little to no thanks and yet have managed to make the site what it is.

Is it really asking to much that members do the bare minimum?



No apologies needed, I'm blunt too.

According to your own reasoning:
If moderators are too busy, then better solutions cannot be implemented.

So may I ask why aren't there more moderators to help handle the increased number of reports and improve the forum overall? How is the lack of adequate moderation supposed to be the fault of ordinary forum members?

And yes, I am advocating for a minimum standard of quality among members. The only way to achieve that is through clearer and stricter rules applied consistently across the entire site, not just within a few select threads. If moderators are struggling with the current workload, then the logical solution is to increase the number of moderators, whether they're volunteers or paid positions is secondary to the need for proper moderation.

Ultimately, the responsibility lies with the moderators and administrators. They have the power to make this forum a cleaner, more organized, and higher-quality space, yet they choose not to. As a result, we end up with threads cluttered by low-effort posts such as:

• "+1"
• "We need a hero!!!"
• "Be careful guys, my antivirus says it's a virus!"
• "Why doesn't the game work?! What do you mean I should read the OP?!"
• "Android port?!"
• "The link is offline!" (even when it isn't, they simply don't realize their ISP or government has blocked it)
• "Is there NTR?" (despite the game already being tagged as such)
• "Does this have vanilla content?" (without even glancing at the screenshots in the opening post)
• Random crash screenshots with zero explanation
• Or repeatedly posting the same bug/question that's already been answered multiple times in recent pages

This pattern will never stop unless there are actual consequences, meaning such posts need to be blocked or penalized. And the only ones with the authority to enforce that standard are the moderators and administrators.

 

[anne O'nymous]

It's difficult to understand how a false-positive issue created by the developer somehow becomes a problem blamed on the forum members.

Funny to write this in a thread where everyone is blaming moderators...

Moderators and administrators could easily address this by enforcing clearer, stricter rules, as many other platforms do.

You mean, like a rule where too many false-positive are treated like a positive, because "false-positive" is never more than a shoot in the dark guess?

For example, asking questions that are already answered in the original post could result in a temporary thread ban (say, one week).

Do you really haven't noticed what happen around you?
In case you didn't noticed, there's 9.5 millions members, and a way too big fraction of them don't care a single second about reading before asking. You're talking about thousands temporary ban each day; as if moderators, all volunteers, hadn't already enough to do without this.

This could even be added as a report category, allowing more attentive users to flag such behavior. The result would be a cleaner, higher-quality forum, and moderation would actually become easier, moderators would only need to verify the original post to confirm the issue.

How the need to now read dozen of thousands opening post every single day would make moderator's life easier? Because there will be people to report a post while falsely thinking that the answer is in OP, what will obviously increase more than significantly the number of reports. And I don't even talk about those who will report the post knowing perfectly well that there's no reason for this; because yes, they exists.
As if moderators didn't already had enough works like this, between members reporting a post just because they didn't liked it, spammers, ban evasion, people trying to bring prepubescent content, and so on.

The

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, so 6 days ago, there were 17,065,466 posts on the forum, today there's 17,114,257 ones. This make an average of 8,131 posts/day... Moderators have already enough works like this, without putting one more on their shoulders, especially one that would be so much time consuming.

If the platform continues to tolerate low-effort or redundant comments, they'll naturally multiply and degrade the quality of discussion.

End of the World at 10PM...

The real responsibility lies not with those making poor contributions, but with those allowing such behavior to persist.

Behaviors that already existed 8 years ago when I became the 63,812th members. There's now 9.5 millions more members. Hell, there's even more members logging in every 4 hours periods, than there were members when I registered.
So, looks like it have absolutely no impact on the forum...

 

[bogodit]

Yes I do and that spawns new threads being made requesting the content that got the original thread locked for example in the cases of daily live in the country side and another one which is now banned.

So locking the thread does NOT help either.



That would not have helped. Even if they had put a huge banner in the OP.



Do you know how many tickets they deal with each day?
Do you know how many reports they deal with each day?
Do you know how many DM's they get each day?
Do you know how many threads need to be cleaned up each day?
Do you know how many games / comics / clips / assets etc. they have to deal with each day?
Do you know how much work they have to do in the background each day?

You do realize they are ALL volunteers right?
You do realize they do NOT all login each day at the same time right?

Strange how you people always blame the mods and staff for problems caused by members!

You stupid man, I'm not criticizing the mods themselves.
I literally just asked how many times situations like this one happened! What's so hard to understand?!

 

[Purple_Heart]

Funny to write this in a thread where everyone is blaming moderators...




You mean, like a rule where too many false-positive are treated like a positive, because "false-positive" is never more than a shoot in the dark guess?




Do you really haven't noticed what happen around you?
In case you didn't noticed, there's 9.5 millions members, and a way too big fraction of them don't care a single second about reading before asking. You're talking about thousands temporary ban each day; as if moderators, all volunteers, hadn't already enough to do without this.




How the need to now read dozen of thousands opening post every single day would make moderator's life easier? Because there will be people to report a post while falsely thinking that the answer is in OP, what will obviously increase more than significantly the number of reports. And I don't even talk about those who will report the post knowing perfectly well that there's no reason for this; because yes, they exists.
As if moderators didn't already had enough works like this, between members reporting a post just because they didn't liked it, spammers, ban evasion, people trying to bring prepubescent content, and so on.

The

You must be registered to see the links

, so 6 days ago, there were 17,065,466 posts on the forum, today there's 17,114,257 ones. This make an average of 8,131 posts/day... Moderators have already enough works like this, without putting one more on their shoulders, especially one that would be so much time consuming.




End of the World at 10PM...




Behaviors that already existed 8 years ago when I became the 63,812th members. There's now 9.5 millions more members. Hell, there's even more members logging in every 4 hours periods, than there were members when I registered.
So, looks like it have absolutely no impact on the forum...

I surrender. It's never the management's fault, it's always the forum members who are to blame. Honestly, I hope this site gets flooded with so many low-effort, thoughtless posts that most influential users (like uploaders and those who frequently interact with others) simply decide to leave and never come back.

That way, moderators would either receive far fewer reports to handle, or perhaps none at all, since many of those low-effort users don't even realize they can report content. I can only imagine their "fun" when 99% of forum posts look like this:

• "+1"
• "We need a hero!!!"
• "Be careful guys, my antivirus says it's a virus!"
• "Why doesn't the game work?! What do you mean I should read the OP?!"
• "Android port?!"
• "The link is offline!" (even when it isn't, they simply don't realize their ISP or government has blocked it)
• "Is there NTR?" (despite the game already being tagged as such)
• "Does this have vanilla content?" (without even glancing at the screenshots in the opening post)
• Random crash screenshots with zero explanation
• Or repeatedly posting the same bug/question that's already been answered multiple times in recent pages

The current trends clearly suggest we're heading in that direction.

Don't bother replying to this post, especially with complaints like "too many users, mods can't catch up". I won't respond, and I've already outlined a solution to the "mods can't keep up with the number of users" problem.

 

[Greywraith]

TIL.
Guess everyday we toss a coin to see if a game gets "poofed" this way when a update pops.
Damn shame since that just got updated, would be ironic if it stopped doing the false positives now.

 

[bogodit]

TIL.
Guess everyday we toss a coin to see if a game gets "poofed" this way when a update pops.
Damn shame since that just got updated, would be ironic if it stopped doing the false positives now.

That would be annoyingly hilarious.

 

[Greywraith]

'other' forums seem to still post the game, so its time for big migration..

Also if you'd be kind, i'd like to know through DM's.
Might need that contingency when a scenario like this happens again.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I surrender. It's never the management's fault, it's always the forum members who are to blame.

Do you even know how to read?

 

[bogodit]

Do you even know how to read?

 

[morphnet]

So may I ask why aren't there more moderators to help handle the increased number of reports and improve the forum overall?

Here is a small glimpse into the answer
https://f95zone.to/threads/moderator-applications-are-closed.230303/

Now you've been here since 2021, ask yourself why you didn't apply to become a moderator? The answer you give yourself is the same one many others will have too. Not to mention, of the over 9+ million members MOST don't even engage in the community.

Very few people are willing to volunteer their time to do as much work as the staff and mods do with as little thanks and as much abuse.

How is the lack of adequate moderation supposed to be the fault of ordinary forum members?

IF the ordinary forum members would actually read the site rules (many haven't), follow the site rules (many don't) and act like mature adults (in many case they don't), there would be A LOT less moderation to do and more time could be spent on other things.

And yes, I am advocating for a minimum standard of quality among members.

Yet this is the first you are mentioning them, your whole reply and the other ones still place the blame and responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the staff and mods and you failed to list anything you expect from the members...

The only way to achieve that is through clearer and stricter rules applied consistently across the entire site, not just within a few select threads.

1) Most members have never read the rules
2) Of those that have, many ignore them
3) The rules are clear enough, adding more rules is done as the need arises. The rules are consistent within the context.
Note : The history of rule breaking in a thread is important etc. etc. Things are not as black and white as you are making them out to be.
4) The fact that you state "not just within a few select threads." shows you are not looking at or thinking of the bigger picture.

Also

not the least being members complaining they and/or their thread are being targeted (i.e. mods abusing power).

So...

If moderators are struggling with the current workload, then the logical solution is to increase the number of moderators, whether they're volunteers or paid positions is secondary to the need for proper moderation.

And how do you propose they do that? The fact that you are stating "volunteers or paid positions is secondary" shows you are giving knee-jerk reaction replies and not thinking this through!

Paid is NOT an option, the site doesn't make enough to pay a proper salary and definitely can NOT pay enough to put up with some of the members.

They can't force people to volunteer and they also need to make sure that whoever joins can AND will do the job AND do it right.

You make it sound easy because you aren't thinking any of this through.

Ultimately, the responsibility lies with the moderators and administrators.

No, it doesn't period!

They have the power to make this forum a cleaner, more organized, and higher-quality space, yet they choose not to.

You seem to have a misconception here. They allow us to use the site, they are under NO obligation to cater to any and/or all small groups who refuse to take responsibility for their actions and refuse to do their part to make the community better.

As a result, we end up with threads cluttered by low-effort posts such as:

Do they provide a site for game? Yes
Do they provide a rules for members to follow? Yes
Do they provide a space for people to discuss the games? Yes
Do they provide a space for people to discuss things other than games? Yes
Do they provide a place for the community to get support? Yes
Have they managed to build and maintain a site known to it's vast collection of games / comics / assets etc.? Yes
Have they managed to build and maintain a site known to be one of the safest out there? Yes
etc. etc. etc.

Do ALL the members use this site free of charge? Yes
Do the majority of the members use this site giving NOTHING back? Yes
Do the majority of the members use this site without bothering to read the rules? Yes
Do the majority of the vocal community follow those rules? No (even I am guilty of breaking the rules sometimes)
Do the majority of the vocal community engage in self-moderation / policing? No

"We end up with threads cluttered by low-effort posts" from members who didn't read the rules / ignored the rules / didn't follow the rules.

Are you implying or suggesting that in an adults ONLY community that the mods and staff should NOT expect the adults to act like... well adults? That they can't and shouldn't be left alone in threads and trusted?

This pattern will never stop unless there are actual consequences, meaning such posts need to be blocked or penalized.

There are, you're in a thread discussing an ACTUAL CONSEQUENCE right now and you still are not satisfied.

What you actually mean is consequence you want and agree with.

And the only ones with the authority to enforce that standard are the moderators and administrators.

...and if members followed the rules, acted like mature adults and used the space AS INTENDED, there would be much less to "enforce"!

It's truly hard to believe I'm in a thread with people complaining that the staff and mods are not adequately forcing adults to act like adults...

and that adults not acting like adults is the staff and mods fault....

 

[whowhawhy]

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oh the irony...

 

[morphnet]

You stupid man, I'm not criticizing the mods themselves.
I literally just asked how many times situations like this one happened! What's so hard to understand?!

Now I wonder how many times threads have been nuked for dumb reasons like the one for True Facials.

 

[bogodit]

oh the irony...

What irony?
Ffs, can't a guy just send a hello there gif to other people?!
Is it a crime?

 

[bogodit]

Ok I'll make it clear since you don't seem to understand my intention.

I was curious to know how many times situations like this have happened.

THAT was what I wanted to know, but sure, go ahead and assume a guy is attacking the mods for asking that question.

 

[whowhawhy]

What irony?
Ffs, can't a guy just send a hello there gif to other people?!
Is it a crime?

were you not doing it under the assumption that anne is a moderator popping into the thread?

if not, apologies.

 

[bogodit]

were you not doing it under the assumption that anne is a moderator popping into the thread?

if not, apologies.

I already said I wasn't criticizing the mods for deleting the thread.
The reasoning was odd, but then I wondered how many threads were nuked/deleted for either false or true positives.
Maybe I should've structured the question better initially.