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ZinkoPoly

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I have this warning message for age/fictional characters at the beginning of the game I'm making:

(Game title) is an fanmade adult fantasy game full of fictional characters and stories that are not based on anything in real life. Are you over 18 (or the legal age in your area)?
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Yes, I am over 18+ and I understand this is all just adult fantasy and not based on real life
No, I'm not 18+ or I do not understand that this is all fantasy and not based on real life

Are there any glaring omissions? I'm doing a fan game so I don't need 100% legal protection or anything. Just want to make sure for an 18+ adult game that I've covered the bases. I know my sentences are sloppy but I'm mostly concerned if I'm missing anything major.

Appreciate anyone who looks it over! Very helpful!
 

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To be honest I feel the whole warning screen is a little superfluous I wrote down my thoughts about this a while ago:

I decided to only make it a easy to click through rather than you needing to affirm that you are over 18. The reason for this is that one it doesn't stop the curious and two in order to download the game you will have had to affirm that you are interested in this type of game and that you are of age.

I also decided that I will not make the 18+ statement as such. When viewed in the context of the world it is a little bit silly to be honest. In many parts of the world adult material is illegal or the age of consent is different.

The words I have settled on are: "This game contains sexually explicit material, if you are offended by this, it is illegal to view this content in your region or you are under the legal age for viewing this content please quit the game."

And because I think all of this is a little bit ridiculous I went a step further (and since there are FF interactions in the game it isn't even a lie unfortunately): "Please note that the acts performed might be dangerous and/or illegal. This is a sexual fantasy so please be smart, safe and keep it legal if you decide to act out any part of the game.

On the point of fantasy: The story, characters, locations and products are a work of fiction, any resemblance to actual people or places is unintentional and purely coincidental."
 
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GNVE, I like your wording a lot. Would be okay if I used the words you have settled on? I may still include a Yes/No thing but I think you've written what I want to put out there in a much more succinct style.
 

coffeeaddicted

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To be honest I feel the whole warning screen is a little superfluous I wrote down my thoughts about this a while ago:
I kind of always wondered.

Here we are on an adult website, playing adult games, where everyone knows what's inside the game.
And still we are putting disclaimers on it. It just never clicked with me.
Perhaps it's the law (dunno) or it just looks good. Maybe because of Patreon.

You are right. Every country has different laws and so it makes sense to mention it for all possibilities. Though, i still find it strange. I can not think of anyone ever quitting a game because the disclaimer said "hey, this is adult material. Are you 18+".
I suppose it's for legal reasons but then again, i am not sure if that would make it comply with the law.

I think just a rating icon would be suffice. Like this one.
View attachment TV-MA_1997.webp
 

GNVE

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I think it is more a thing of adult websites do it (they have to I think?). So adult game makers started doing it and now people do it because everyone is doing it. I think there might be one or two oddballs over the years that have clicked away because they weren't 18 (literally one or two).
Luckily the rating system is free but many regions have their own system so you'd need to slap half a dozen logos on there.
 
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I think it is more a thing of adult websites do it (they have to I think?). So adult game makers started doing it and now people do it because everyone is doing it. I think there might be one or two oddballs over the years that have clicked away because they weren't 18 (literally one or two).
Luckily the rating system is free but many regions have their own system so you'd need to slap half a dozen logos on there.
Very true.
I have to admit it was a jest but it is odd to me to do it.
In a way i understand it since you want to protect yourself. Just in case.
Oh well...
 
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The warning means nothing. If you are in a country that requires ratings - the rating will be done by a third party and you'll get a label that you need to put on the packaging if you want to sell your game.
Game distribution platforms are a different thing - rules and conditions may apply.

This is the message from my game, feel free to steal it, I stole parts of it (+1 if you can name the source):
Disclaimer:
This game contains Graphic content such as sexual scenes, Violence, Gore, Boobies(!) and the rest of the fun stuff. If You are under 18 ask Dad if you can play (don't ask Mom, she'll say 'no').
 
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I must admit, it often does make me scratch my head when I see some disclaimers.

A lot of disclaimers are clearly versions of the adult video industry disclaimers, with only a slight nod to gaming. It's very much like some random person copy/pasted some text a long time ago just to be extra careful and everyone has been blindly creating variations on the same theme ever since.

"All characters are 18 years or over"... no they aren't... they're pixels. The adult industry has to have disclaimers that the performers are over the legal age of consent, but there's no specific restrictions about the age of the actual characters. Though some countries do go beyond "informed consent between adults" and have legislated against portrayal of otherwise legal acts in fictional form.

My disclaimer would probably feature something like "This is a fantasy, no more real than any other entertainment media. If you believe events in this game or aliens destroying the White House or men shooting a hand gun 75 times without reloading might be real - close this game now and seek professional advice."

I can see why someone might add a disclaimer if you're marketing an AVN on Steam or Patreon. But most games wouldn't miss them if they weren't there at all. To my mind, most are meaningless or at least somewhat flawed.
 

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I must admit, it often does make me scratch my head when I see some disclaimers.

A lot of disclaimers are clearly versions of the adult video industry disclaimers, with only a slight nod to gaming. It's very much like some random person copy/pasted some text a long time ago just to be extra careful and everyone has been blindly creating variations on the same theme ever since.

"All characters are 18 years or over"... no they aren't... they're pixels. The adult industry has to have disclaimers that the performers are over the legal age of consent, but there's no specific restrictions about the age of the actual characters. Though some countries do go beyond "informed consent between adults" and have legislated against portrayal of otherwise legal acts in fictional form.

My disclaimer would probably feature something like "This is a fantasy, no more real than any other entertainment media. If you believe events in this game or aliens destroying the White House or men shooting a hand gun 75 times without reloading might be real - close this game now and seek professional advice."

I can see why someone might add a disclaimer if you're marketing an AVN on Steam or Patreon. But most games wouldn't miss them if they weren't there at all. To my mind, most are meaningless or at least somewhat flawed.
That is what i thought.
Why do you need an 18+ check. In my case, i am not planning to appear on Patreon. Maybe itch but that is as far as i go.
So in a sense, you don't need it unless you are planning to actually making money by publishing on, let's say, Steam.
Even then, it's usually in the adult bin which makes it clear that it is for adults.
 

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"All characters are 18 years or over"... no they aren't... they're pixels. The adult industry has to have disclaimers that the performers are over the legal age of consent, but there's no specific restrictions about the age of the actual characters.
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I can see why someone might add a disclaimer if you're marketing an AVN on Steam or Patreon.
Who doesn't market their game on Patreon (and sometimes Steam)? There is very much an age restriction there for characters (just as there is an age restriction on actors in real porn productions). Not that you need such a disclaimer in your game, or that it saves you if you have underage characters, but it's at least a way to distance the game from loli games. I don't know if the real porn industry has to have these disclaimers, but it won't save them if they have underage actors either, so the disclaimer is really the same thing in both cases, porn game or porn shoot.
 
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I must admit, it often does make me scratch my head when I see some disclaimers.

A lot of disclaimers are clearly versions of the adult video industry disclaimers, with only a slight nod to gaming. It's very much like some random person copy/pasted some text a long time ago just to be extra careful and everyone has been blindly creating variations on the same theme ever since.

"All characters are 18 years or over"... no they aren't... they're pixels. The adult industry has to have disclaimers that the performers are over the legal age of consent, but there's no specific restrictions about the age of the actual characters. Though some countries do go beyond "informed consent between adults" and have legislated against portrayal of otherwise legal acts in fictional form.

My disclaimer would probably feature something like "This is a fantasy, no more real than any other entertainment media. If you believe events in this game or aliens destroying the White House or men shooting a hand gun 75 times without reloading might be real - close this game now and seek professional advice."

I can see why someone might add a disclaimer if you're marketing an AVN on Steam or Patreon. But most games wouldn't miss them if they weren't there at all. To my mind, most are meaningless or at least somewhat flawed.
You have to remember, we live in the age of Stella... where you can get sued for selling hot coffee, lol.

Of course, not every country is as insane as the States for frivolous lawsuits, but the way I look at this, is that it's like insurance. You can go your whole life and never have an accident, so why did you buy insurance? Because, it's when you don't have it that something happens.

Heck, I've had about a dozen websites over the last 20+ years, and I always made sure they had proper disclaimers, copyright notices and privacy policies (which are law now in many countries) and nothing has ever happened. So? It took very little effort and it may have avoided an issue at some time.

Besides, having these professional looking disclaimer pages makes our products look more "legit" and mainstream. You know what they say... it's all about the packaging ;)
 

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I am really confused now.
Both arguments make sense, though i feel the pressure to included it. I don't know why.:unsure:
 

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Here we are on an adult website, playing adult games, where everyone knows what's inside the game.
And still we are putting disclaimers on it. It just never clicked with me.
Perhaps it's the law (dunno) or it just looks good. Maybe because of Patreon.
Two things:

1) The disclaimer is mandatory by law in many countries.
It come from the minor protection laws, that prohibits to expose minors to mature/sexual content.
It's like the age check for website, the interest isn't in the efficiency of the warning, but on the presence of a choice offered to the player. By itself, this yes/no option is enough for you to be legally clean. You warned the player, you offered him/her the possibility to quit, and (s)he lied when answering "yes I'm over the legal age".

2) Internet isn't limited to this forum.
The games you found here can be found in hundreds others place, that can possibly be less explicit regarding the nature of the shared content.



A lot of disclaimers are clearly versions of the adult video industry disclaimers, with only a slight nod to gaming. It's very much like some random person copy/pasted some text a long time ago just to be extra careful and everyone has been blindly creating variations on the same theme ever since.
Probably because they are the only disclaimers that can be found.
It can cost you a lot to have to face justice because you exposed minors to pornographic content. So, it's not really a surprise that few among the game authors copy/pasted a legal warning supposed to have been wrote by someone who know how to do it correctly.
It's like all the homemade, or small business, websites that copy/pasted the legal notice and/or Terms of Service notice from another one. This need to exist and to follow some rules, but you aren't a lawyer and don't really have the money to pay one for him to write it, therefore you copy/paste what others use.


"All characters are 18 years or over"... no they aren't... they're pixels. The adult industry has to have disclaimers that the performers are over the legal age of consent, but there's no specific restrictions about the age of the actual characters.
There's restrictions about the age of the characters.
In Australia and France, among others I don't remember, the Law is relatively explicit. In short, is considered as exploitation of minor any content where an adult is depicted as being minor, or looks like a minor and isn't explicitly stated as being adult. This came as answer to a part of the industry that used petite model to explicitly overpass the laws against p*d*shit. The actress were adults, so it was legal, but they were explicitly playing minors, what should have been illegal.

The legal formulation should be more on the side of "all characters depicted in this game are over 18 years".
And this also apply to pixels since it's not the characters themselves that are addressed here, but what they represent. This way you are covered for countries that don't make difference between reality and fiction when it come to children (sexual) exploitation.


My disclaimer would probably feature something like "This is a fantasy, no more real than any other entertainment media. If you believe events in this game or aliens destroying the White House or men shooting a hand gun 75 times without reloading might be real - close this game now and seek professional advice."
What matter in the "this is a fictional work, any resemblance with real facts would be pure coincidence" disclaimer, is not that it's fictional, but that it's not a true story. The difference can seem insignificant, but wait for an US player to sue you because he recognized himself in your NTR story, believing that you are mocking him, and you'll understand why it's not the same.

Like for the age check, it's the legal way to cover your ass. The disclaimer is not here to state that aliens don't exist, but to explicitly state that everything come from your own imagination ; "I'm sorry that you've been abducted and anally probed for two weeks, Joe Parker, but no, I'm not Pete Milighan, this neighbor of yours that never cease to mock you since you told him your sad story, and my game is not about you".



After are all this needed, it's something else.

Strictly speaking, the risks are really low, the scene is too confidential. But it only takes one Karen who found your game on her son's computer, to ruin your life for years. So, it's like safety belt, it's useless until this moment it saved your life.
 

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Oh my...

This makes of course sense.
So what you need, as seen in games, is the age check (yes/no) and a disclaimer that this is adult content. At one point i had put in a $renpy.quit() (i think this is it) so you can quit just by clicking.
In any case better save than sorry. Even though people.... :)