100% agree, I don't think I've ever seen something like this... it's like writers (this is no shot at fable here - speaking broadly about avns) don't have the creativity to realize you can upend any of these traditions - or they just don't want to.
I don't like him either. Just think it would be supremely entertaining to watch his scheme completely backfire and spectacularly blow up in his face...Even in that case, I would not go on his path. I don't like his character.
In trying to corrupt and break them apart, he actually makes them stronger/closer.Same. Though my version would be a bit milderI don't like him either. Just think it would be supremely entertaining to watch his scheme completely backfire and spectacularly blow up in his face...
And there's so many ways to make it fun. Sarah strings Neil along. Then, ties him up and makes him watch while Alex and another dude, or the therapist lady, or all 3...lol, pleasure her. And poor Neil never gets what he was after...
And blkcrow I agree, I'm not his biggest fan, which would make something like that all the more satisfying.
100% with you here. This needs to be suggested more often, makes a world of difference and not that many games have it. Without using genre labels, or citing examples, there's a space for a confident couple to enjoy a lot of different scenarios, without the usual assumptions that sharing is always a submissive fantasy. As Johnny said, if the characters and, most of all, the couple dynamic are strong, situations typical of NTR can be upended and have a different feel or outcome altogether. Some authors did go there, need to be more!
This! Don't think I'd tire easily of this model, and next time she could give him more, and still remind him who "owns" who. It's all about who has the combat initiative leading the narrative, making it a mind game where the actions themselves are just a flavor, not the whole point of the episode.
One of the things that always puts me off is an antagonistic character having their way.
Preaching to the choir I'm sure - problem is writers will often dote on the male antagonist than the female -it's like they worship the ground beneath the mighty ntr antagonist, you could have the most female-dominant character, yet the second she encounters the ntr antagonist- on her knees she goes.
Been preaching everywhere all day long, even got some posts caught in a thread cleaning today
sadism, or just blind social adherence to the "mean girl" and "alpha jerk" figures, maybe a bit of both? It's not like I think the world would be a better place without those, but that they serve different purpose, which is to be turned the tables on and put in their place in whichever satisfying way, either yours or redoubt's would do
it's my view that sharing itself should be a "Power Play". Showing the strength of the couple's relationship, not some weakness of one or the other. The scenarios that have ben mentioned above are what I am constantly looking for in a good sharing game.
I'd add to your "corruption within" idea that even if one is more "innocent" than the other, there shouldn't be imbalance in things like confidence - unless there's a visible progression. It works in CoM because while Cindy is the corruptor and main driver of all the mischief, Will is very confident in his own way. Take away that trait and make him feel insecure and it takes away the enjoyment for me - though it may appeal to others, as other games recently seem to follow that line and prefer to rely on a confident female that keeps the MC on the edge of uncertainty. Not my thing, especially when the story calls on external characters that are more confident than the MC and act antagonistically. So, as for external input for corruption, I'm on the edge, can work for me in several ways, if the NPC respects the couple or if the couple understands the NPC's game and decides to play along under their rules - what I don't like is when the NPC is seeking to pull the MC and LI apart and scoring points in that regard. A lot of authors allow for that under swinging or NTS but, to what you said about cheating, I add that as crossing the line into NTR.
Agree. I don't like it when the NTR bleeds onto the NTS path. It's ruined many a game. It's fairly black and white for me, cheating is cheating.
What about NTS bleeding onto the NTR path, like in Man Who Fell for a Knightess Whore Has His Cuckoldry Fetish Deepen? Sorry, not a western game.
To me, cuckoldry has no appeal at all, as it's generally portrayed: a submissive, masochistic desire to see one's love interest taken by a "better bull". Even when the fetish is the LI's sluttiness, the cuckold who only watches and jerks off to others fucking her is something I can't relate to. Take out the MC jerking off and being submissive and put some power dynamic in, such as the LI asserting control over the situation (or better yet, the couple doing so, complicitly), avoid the BBC trope altogether, and it may work - but then it's not exactly cuckoldry. The problem is we don't have enough "tags" for all the variations and the ones people use (like NTS) are too broad, including scenarios that are diametrically opposed in terms of tone, character portrayal and dynamics.
It's not my personal style but definitely belongs here so I'll add it to upcoming! Thanks!!
