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Dessolos

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yeah tbh Side characters are only ever good if they are done like how DPC or a few other devs do them where they feel like they a bit more than a side character but less than a main girl. But from I heard it's forced so makes it much worst. I hate being forced into any sexual situation unless it's for plot or character building reasons it actually makes me start to dislike the LI or side girl.

Yeah tbh I only liked the East Block update for the hotness factor and the dark story element but was disappointed in the fact their was no main characters to have fun with unless you count the cheating path for Luke. I was hoping we would of gotten to the Nat scene.
 

reidanota

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Speaking of the love path I doubt this would happen but would be great if there is a way to go from being in a throuple to a NTS path while being in a throuple.
This.

Don't want to turn it into an argument on whether it was or wasn't, factually, a humiliating experience for John. Point is, it would have taken very little for the author to have made it a scene to feel good about. All it would take would be for John to be excited about Claire's readiness to be a slut, respond to the challenge, tell Marie why don't we show them they're not the only ones who can have fun - or whatever, show that he was absolutely enjoying it. Would it have been too much if Claire could have been a slut FOR JOHN, Kat style? I wanted to avoid comparisons but... failed.

Also don't really care about Marie either, as a side-character, and I'm not saying John should have objectified her by making it a competition (whether with Paul or Claire) but if he really was excited to see Claire being a slut, he would have been hard for it and could have really fucked Marie. Instead, she pampered him as if she was consoling a disappointed child. The author made a point to show us she didn't even cum (while Paul made Claire squirt and borderline pass out); never once did Marie tell John how good it was for HER; she was treating him like a MILF to a virgin boy but couldn't even help boosting his confidence. In the end, she tells him that Paul is like that, takes what he wants, women go crazy about it, don't overthink it. In other words, it's the same old alpha/beta trope.

It was pure kinetic trash. I want to watch Claire. not be forced to fuck some useless side chick.
I wish I could enjoy the game by just focusing on Claire being a slut, but there's a reason I don't play NTR. Can't go over the fact that you're seeing John's perspective most of the time, he IS the main character, and he got completely played there. Maybe I should play a few female protagonist slut games to get a thicker skin for partners being trampled on.

In the scene with Damien, Claire was in control. Even if she cheated, Damien wasn't the agent, he was just taking what was given. In the "swinging" scene, Paul orchestrated and profited at the expense of John (and Marie? She wasn't thrilled either). Claire wasn't in control, she was "taken". Adding to the little things, this is something I hate. Viscerally. May have been just for an hour, but during that time, Paul stole Claire and gloated about it. I guess the author would count it as a success having triggered deep emotions of jealousy, dread and helplessness, but isn't that what NTR games are about? If this scene is to remain in the other paths LIKE THIS, it's not going to please (all) those who are in it for sharing instead.

Again, all it would take would be for John to man up to the moment, in whichever way, and it would be really easy to focus on Claire being a slut. Instead, it makes it's reinforcing a vibe from the aftermath of the Damien episode, where John was clearly excited but then Claire was dominant and took complete control. This time, there's no fuck before sleep - biologically understandable, but still reinforces a narrative where John is increasingly passive.

Don't take this as an attempt to sell my view as the ultimate truth. It would actually be nice to get the author's own view on how the scene was intended to play, but ofc we won't get that. I can't stand MC passivity or the dynamics of little (or loss of) confidence. Claire with some Kat vibes would be a dream Claire. Or the problem my lie entirely on John being too passive.

Vented too much yesterday, but it seems like I still have some venting in me LOL
 
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reidanota

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I'm reminded of a game that never made it to F95, , centred around a swinging club in the Victorian era. Granted, there's a beta/sissy path and that's probably the author's main focus, but there's a dom path as well that includes *mostly* cool sharing events.

On one of the scenes, though, the club members draw straws to pick their partner for the evening. Ofc the MC's fiancée gets his stud best friend, what I didn't like was that the MC gets the old crone, an insufferable old aristocrat with no sex appeal whatsoever (not an age thing, she's bitter, contemptuous and treats the MC as her sub) who happens to be a founding member and was presented in a prior episode as cheering for a "human hunt" game where a prisoner was "given a chance" to run for his life, but ultimately shot down, to her most enthusiastic applause. The entire sex scene is more about the MC being a sport, enduring the "ordeal" of getting the witch off and fucking her as her sub without complaining, and coming back to bed to his fiancée's excited account of how it went between her and his friend. At least the MC could have been equally eloquent describing his own experience and how horrible it was and the two would have had a good laugh. But no, too gentlemanly or too much of a good-sport to even play being a sour loser, prefers to keep the sour aftertaste to himself. Or I just read too much into it, just didn't like being on the bad side of Lady Luck that time.

It was a good game overall, though. Haven't played it in over a year but at the time, it sounded like the dom path didn't get any worse than that, there was a trip to Paris with some more "kosher sharing" events, it's been regularly updated and proably more than doubled the content since then, hopefully in the right direction.
 

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I'm reminded of a game that never made it to F95, , centred around a swinging club in the Victorian era. Granted, there's a beta/sissy path and that's probably the author's main focus, but there's a dom path as well that includes *mostly* cool sharing events.

On one of the scenes, though, the club members draw straws to pick their partner for the evening. Ofc the MC's fiancée gets his stud best friend, what I didn't like was that the MC gets the old crone, an insufferable old aristocrat with no sex appeal whatsoever (not an age thing, she's bitter, contemptuous and treats the MC as her sub) who happens to be a founding member and was presented in a prior episode as cheering for a "human hunt" game where a prisoner was "given a chance" to run for his life, but ultimately shot down, to her most enthusiastic applause. The entire sex scene is more about the MC being a sport, enduring the "ordeal" of getting the witch off and fucking her as her sub without complaining, and coming back to bed to his fiancée's excited account of how it went between her and his friend. At least the MC could have been equally eloquent describing his own experience and how horrible it was and the two would have had a good laugh. But no, too gentlemanly or too much of a good-sport to even play being a sour loser, prefers to keep the sour aftertaste to himself. Or I just read too much into it, just didn't like being on the bad side of Lady Luck that time.

It was a good game overall, though. Haven't played it in over a year but at the time, it sounded like the dom path didn't get any worse than that, there was a trip to Paris with some more "kosher sharing" events, it's been regularly updated and proably more than doubled the content since then, hopefully in the right direction.
Who's his fiancee? seems like i can pick different ones to progress with like the church girl, and the barmaid.
 
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reidanota

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Who's his fiancee? seems like i can pick different ones to progress with like the church girl, and the barmaid.
Picked his cousin (Daisy?) but you're right, you can pick those, too. Maybe others, I don't remember, some may be just side characters. I remember the writing was above par (and there was a lot of it). You can also have affairs but Daisy, in particular, seems to be written for those who like to share but don't want to "be shared". She's jealous and not kind on your other affairs, despite you two being members of the same swinging club, independently inducted. If you let her, Daisy will dom you and more, but she also seemed like a good equal partner in a dom playthrough.
 
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Maybe the "Typist" is just a shit author, who after half a year of typing nothing can't remember what he last wrote, or the tone the story is supposed to have?
If I'm not mistaken, he said he hired someone else to write for him. I think the last two NTR updates were written by this new writer, which seems to have been a bad choice because he wrote the last good scene in NTR/NTS himself.
 

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Maybe the "Typist" is just a shit author, who after half a year of typing nothing can't remember what he last wrote, or the tone the story is supposed to have?
I dunno...
Would think most devs would have the main script right there on their screen, as they worked, including future plotlines loosely mapped in sub-lines at the bottom, showing where it goes next. The job being to fill the gaps with dialogue and actions, as they go, choosing to release updates as they get to section ends. Surely.

No, I think the main issue with these "interventions" and "off-plot" scenarios is their patreons howling for blood, pushing for their kinks to be integrated, like asap-right-now-dude , and the dev, being dependant upon their subs, catering as best they can. Sometimes you can see games go completely off the rails because of this, way too many lately it seems.

Just gotta read between the lines, or analyse the scripts, to see if you can hold out long enough for it to get back on track, or give up.
Because I still see some good devs refusing to bow down to the pressure and just deliver their game as intended, still balancing any and all paths equally.

This is why I don't actually mind a kinetic novel sometimes, because I know where its going usually and can choose to either give the game up at a point, or go ahead, not having to wait nervously, sometimes for many months, for my "path" to come back. Another reason why the "completed" tag can be a benefit when finding some hidden gem, because the reviews are in, the plot is laid out and the tags are complete, so no surprises. Surprises caused by "NTR baiting" by devs who are just out for the money, who put nefarious tags and descriptions in games, casting for a wider audience, then placing one or two alternate scenes to suck everyone in, only to steamroll on straight into full-blown NTR from that point on. Hate that shit....

Just not a fan of awkward surprises, as I guess, so are many in this thread.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, he said he hired someone else to write for him. I think the last two NTR updates were written by this new writer, which seems to have been a bad choice because he wrote the last good scene in NTR/NTS himself.
Well that's just a recipe for disaster....
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Just not a fan of awkward surprises, as I guess, so are many in this thread.
100%, and it's pervasive. I really liked seeing redoubt27 calling some guy out in that other thread when he saw right through what was thinly veiled ntr advocacy - yall know what I mean when you read the "Well maybe the girlfriend wasnt telling the full story :sneaky::sneaky:" <--- yah you'd certainly prefer it that way wouldnt you, but not everything needs ntr worldbuilding.
 
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