Recommending Western Sharing Games List

[blkcrow20]

Everyone is going to use their own definition, doesn't matter. What matters is whether you like the game or not, no matter what supposed 'tag' it has.

 

[DressedToThrill]

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[Claudio83]

Another one NTS AI VN:

(1,746) VN - Others - Steps into Corruption [v0.1] [OnePlayerForge]

The classic husband's "confession" is already happened at the start of the game, good graphics, good premises, maybe a bit too fast... we will see!!!

 

[blkcrow20]

Yet another with BIG boobs. Some devs need to get out of the basement sometimes and see real women.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Another one NTS AI VN:

(1,746) VN - Others - Steps into Corruption [v0.1] [OnePlayerForge]

The classic husband's "confession" is already happened at the start of the game, good graphics, good premises, maybe a bit too fast... we will see!!!

man these really are mutliplying .... i gotta stop worrying and putting thought into em and just toss em into the slopyard! I changed the section to be more compact - because frankly i was tired of seeing it occupy a large part of the page i didnt wanna focus on (ty for mention tho!)

Yeah, you put all of these signs correctly. I'd add that it is also how the MC reacts to that (total acceptance without any shock) was also a turn off. Like, it felt as if he is already a totally subdued cuck, that just accepts any slut behavior from his gf without questions as if it is the norm. Maybe it's a cultural thing tho, I know Japanese are very perverted people and a lot of what is considered indecent in European culture is totally okay in Japanese culture. E.g. we Europeans treat women promiscuity much more negatively than Japanese.

notwithstanding ratadan's message of cultural inclusivity (because what would be the fun in a world without irrational jeers )-

I somewhat disagree on the purity part; I think japanese are more hypocritical than european culture on this specific point. While japanese porn and hentai tastes indicate a perverted people (as well as a very high rate of prositution in many urban areas), the expectations for how one comports themself in public are much more conservative and rigid. It's the whole contradiction of censored porn alongside extreme tentacle stuff.

IMO this ties in to a big part of why I prefer western-style dialogue and stories in avns. In jpn stories, I often see more internal grappling with this idea of "i have these fetishes but they're not right or she'll think I'm perverted", there's more an element of internal shame.

 

[CursedByAll]

man these really are mutliplying .... i gotta stop worrying and putting thought into em and just toss em into the slopyard!

Oh no!!!....
Johnny is being forced to drop his curation standards.......

Perhaps they need a "Spoiler" tag PGJ? Like, the whole AI slopyard could be behind a spoiler, like "hidden in shame", "discreetly divulged" etc.....

Nevermind mate, we get ya

 

[blkcrow20]

Throw them in the slopyard along with all those those damn phone games.

 

[PonderingPotatoPal]

https://f95zone.to/threads/graduation-v0-1-3-devorny.211479/
What's your take on the sharing route?

 

[redoubt27]

I’ve come to the conclusion that NTS is actually closer to Cuckolding than it is to Sharing.

Cuckold, sharing, swinging, hotwife, etc. are 'western' distinctions that fit under the Japanese NTS spectrum. At least that's my conclusion...

 

[blkcrow20]

Cuckold, sharing, swinging, hotwife, etc. are 'western' distinctions that fit under the Japanese NTS spectrum. At least that's my conclusion...

 

[PonderingPotatoPal]

Cuckold, sharing, swinging, hotwife, etc. are 'western' distinctions that fit under the Japanese NTS spectrum. At least that's my conclusion...

Technically true, but it doesn't pan out that way. NTS games always feature weak, paranoid MCs..no exceptions. Meanwhile, Western sharing titles that ditch Eastern fucking labels have solid MCs, like Exciting Games

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

https://f95zone.to/threads/graduation-v0-1-3-devorny.211479/
What's your take on the sharing route?

Hard to say so early. Some things I enjoy like the online instagram comments, IMO has more potential than your average phone game. On the other hand, I'm not keen on how tightly demarcated the fetishes routes are; it seems like bbc and sissy go hand in hand while non-bbc and incest go hand in hand.

When I last played it, there wasn't any significant progression with the girlfriend on anything that could be considered sharing, he had just kicked the bully guy out of his house. But I'd keep on eye on it in the future.

Technically true, but it doesn't pan out that way. NTS games always feature weak, paranoid MCs..no exceptions. Meanwhile, Western sharing titles that ditch Eastern fucking labels have solid MCs, like Exciting Games

Agreed though to be fair to eastern games, like my image back here illustrated -

some western games also go harder in the submissive direction. Stuff like 'A Couples Duet' or 'My Hotwife' are very western style dialogue. But so is 'Exciting Games' like you mentioned, but in the stag/vixen flavor. Hence I avoid conflating 'nts' and 'western sharing games'; while there's a bit of overlap, they really do explore separate themes.

 

[SinisterPortal]

I guess I'll add my 2 cents after all. Any story where the MC asks their love interest to have sex with other people is technically Netorase.


That said, this doesn't mean that this kind of stories, when written by Japanese people for Japanese audience, doesn't have common characteristics that distinguish them from stories written outside Japan.


In my experience, the core of the fetish in Japanese NTS is similar to an extreme sport. I mean that it is precisely the risk that should make the reader's blood boil. The thoughts that are expected to appear in the reader's head are like: what if she goes beyond the limits? What if she is not telling me the whole truth? What if she likes him more than me, and she leaves for him? That is, the reader should be tense, experiencing uncertainty and anxiety, which eventually gives way to relaxation when the reader realizes that his worries were groundless (NTS) or not (NTR). That is why at some point I had the thought that Japanese NTS is teasing with NTR without actually carrying it out in practice. And I have not seen Japanese NTS that would go far away from this formula. Japanese NTR is way more diverse tho.


Western NTS (I will have to use the Japanese term since there is no single Western term) breaks down into several "sub-genres" that differ quite strongly from each other (cuckolding, sharing, hotwifing, etc). But what is interesting is that none of the Western sub-genres includes what the Japanese most often do in their stories. Yes, there is cuckolding, but in cuckolding the focus is on direct humiliation of the protagonist: "you are not a real man, unworthy of sleeping with your wife, so put on a chastity cage and watch your wife fuck another man, while they both spit on you and tell you how worthless you are". There is nothing like that in Japanese NTS. That is, the difference here is that in Japanese NTS the focus is specifically on the inner insecurities of the protagonist, while in Western cuckolding the focus is specifically on explicit humiliation of the protagonist by other people. There is no room for inner insecurities here, because the wife says all of this explicitly.

 

[redoubt27]

I will have to use the Japanese term since there is no single Western term

Well, there are two words that fit, but lets not go down that road...

The problem is...There's no Morgan and Bartholomew to define the 'porn code' and establish firm meaning of terms...
Even if there was, we'd still have people who'd want to hang the code and use their own definitions... But at least then Captain Teague could shoot them for being an idiot...

So, we just keep debating our opinions...
We really need to elect a Pirate/Porn King...

 

[CursedByAll]

I guess I'll add my 2 cents after all. Any story where the MC asks their love interest to have sex with other people is technically Netorase.
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That said, this doesn't mean that this kind of stories, when written by Japanese people for Japanese audience, doesn't have common characteristics that distinguish them from stories written outside Japan.


In my experience, the core of the fetish in Japanese NTS is similar to an extreme sport. I mean that it is precisely the risk that should make the reader's blood boil. The thoughts that are expected to appear in the reader's head are like: what if she goes beyond the limits? What if she is not telling me the whole truth? What if she likes him more than me, and she leaves for him? That is, the reader should be tense, experiencing uncertainty and anxiety, which eventually gives way to relaxation when the reader realizes that his worries were groundless (NTS) or not (NTR). That is why at some point I had the thought that Japanese NTS is teasing with NTR without actually carrying it out in practice. And I have not seen Japanese NTS that would go far away from this formula. Japanese NTR is way more diverse tho.


Western NTS (I will have to use the Japanese term since there is no single Western term) breaks down into several "sub-genres" that differ quite strongly from each other (cuckolding, sharing, hotwifing, etc). But what is interesting is that none of the Western sub-genres includes what the Japanese most often do in their stories. Yes, there is cuckolding, but in cuckolding the focus is on direct humiliation of the protagonist: "you are not a real man, unworthy of sleeping with your wife, so put on a chastity cage and watch your wife fuck another man, while they both spit on you and tell you how worthless you are". There is nothing like that in Japanese NTS. That is, the difference here is that in Japanese NTS the focus is specifically on the inner insecurities of the protagonist, while in Western cuckolding the focus is specifically on explicit humiliation of the protagonist by other people. There is no room for inner insecurities here, because the wife says all of this explicitly.

Which all quite perfectly illustrates my point about why we should stop using NTS tag altogether, same with NTR and NTI for that matter.
It is only Japanese games that adhere to these principles (yes, I know there are some variations but this is generalisation central after all).
Why the hell does a site NOT based in Japan, NOT using the Japanese language anywher else, insist on using Japanese language to describe such a wide field of sexual endeavours, despite the years of arguments, mod interventions, inherent confusion etc? Even when the games are not even Japanese, or even describing some sort of Japanese setting/experience?
The mere fact that "(I will have to use the Japanese term since there is no single Western term)" this line exists proves my point. One single term CANNOT define what Western players look for, and how they would describe it.
And yet, several, very plain, english words describe an expected experience in much more detail, with no possible confusion. What fucking logic says we all want confusion?
This shit if fucking ridiculous. If my kid went around the house spouting some weird word, that apparently tells a story as wide-ranging as "War & Peace" without being able to explain it, I would be sitting that child down and re-educating him about the art of conversation....

 

[CursedByAll]

And don't throw "History" at me either.....
My cock used to be called "todger" "phallus" "weiner" "love-stick" along with a whole lot of other weird and goofy shit.
Do you expect me to use those words still? No? Thought not, lol

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I guess I'll add my 2 cents after all. Any story where the MC asks their love interest to have sex with other people is technically Netorase.
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That said, this doesn't mean that this kind of stories, when written by Japanese people for Japanese audience, doesn't have common characteristics that distinguish them from stories written outside Japan.


In my experience, the core of the fetish in Japanese NTS is similar to an extreme sport. I mean that it is precisely the risk that should make the reader's blood boil. The thoughts that are expected to appear in the reader's head are like: what if she goes beyond the limits? What if she is not telling me the whole truth? What if she likes him more than me, and she leaves for him? That is, the reader should be tense, experiencing uncertainty and anxiety, which eventually gives way to relaxation when the reader realizes that his worries were groundless (NTS) or not (NTR). That is why at some point I had the thought that Japanese NTS is teasing with NTR without actually carrying it out in practice. And I have not seen Japanese NTS that would go far away from this formula. Japanese NTR is way more diverse tho.


Western NTS (I will have to use the Japanese term since there is no single Western term) breaks down into several "sub-genres" that differ quite strongly from each other (cuckolding, sharing, hotwifing, etc). But what is interesting is that none of the Western sub-genres includes what the Japanese most often do in their stories. Yes, there is cuckolding, but in cuckolding the focus is on direct humiliation of the protagonist: "you are not a real man, unworthy of sleeping with your wife, so put on a chastity cage and watch your wife fuck another man, while they both spit on you and tell you how worthless you are". There is nothing like that in Japanese NTS. That is, the difference here is that in Japanese NTS the focus is specifically on the inner insecurities of the protagonist, while in Western cuckolding the focus is specifically on explicit humiliation of the protagonist by other people. There is no room for inner insecurities here, because the wife says all of this explicitly.

Probably accurate, it's more internal than external.

Though I digress, at some point I just don't care. It'd be like constantly discussing "The swahili word for bread is 'mkate', how do you think this compares with the english meaning of 'bread'?" After awhile the only people that care are those with a large interest in swahili culture and that's not me. I know this comes off as brash and I'm guilty as well continuing this debate but I'd really love to spend more time on this thread talking about western games people have enjoyed or hated, and what they liked or didn't like about them rather than the nth exchange on japanese stuff. Here I'll start

I recently played Photo Hunt, and was delighted seeing lots of stuff added since last time playing. Jennifer has a LOT of sharing stuff now, mostly on the "yandere path" (ugh after typing the above i cringe typing that). While Evelyn's pornstar route hasn't seen progression, many sidegirls have LOTS of group sex events added. I'm pretty sure Skylar had some and Fiona has a lot.

I tried 'Never Trust Reality', hoping it would have some sharing type stuff, nope, it's 100% coercive ntr.

Tried 'The favor I owe'... another phone game. Still early on, hard to form opinion. I did like the way the girl-best friend was written, getting legitimately upset when MC gives her the cold shoulder.

Caught up on 'Phone Story'. While there have been some new events on the non-spy path, there's a lot more content on the phone spy path (bob) which personally doesn't interest me. Reading text messages from a girlfriends phone about what she's doing behind my back is a cheaters fetish, not mine. Still, there were 1-2 hot scenes with her ex or the neighbor guy on the sharing path.

 

[blkcrow20]

Well, there are two words that fit, but lets not go down that road...

The problem is...There's no Morgan and Bartholomew to define the 'porn code' and establish firm meaning of terms...
Even if there was, we'd still have people who'd want to hang the code and use their own definitions... But at least then Captain Teague could shoot them for being an idiot...

So, we just keep debating our opinions...
We really need to elect a Pirate/Porn King...

All this. 100%. There are no 'official' definitions of the words, so the debate will continue ad infinitum. Which is why I get tired of seeing them pop up over and over and over again in so many different threads.

 

[CursedByAll]

mostly on the "yandere path" (ugh after typing the above i cringe typing that).

Me too mate.
I am so much NOT into Japanese games or their ridiculous terms, that I don't even know what the F that even means, and so now I have to go and look it up.
Can you speak in English next time mate, please ? LMAO

(and yeah, I like Photo Hunt too, and will now be looking for the latest update.)

Edit - "mad, violent stalker chick"......yeah, no thanks...Sounds like "yandere" is just another word for psychotic ex/side-chick, haha

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Me too mate.
I am so much NOT into Japanese games or their ridiculous terms, that I don't even know what the F that even means, and so now I have to go and look it up.
Can you speak in English next time mate, please ? LMAO

(and yeah, I like Photo Hunt too, and will now be looking for the latest update.)

Edit - "mad, violent stalker chick"......yeah, no thanks...Sounds like "yandere" is just another word for psychotic ex/side-chick, haha

I'd definitely always speak in english, unfortunately, that's the literal name of the path in game. But ya, she basically becomes psycho-obsessive/possessive. She's no side girl though, she's the main girlfriend at that point, and I imagine you can reach a 'bad end' i.e. DEATH if you cross her too soon.