whichone

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Agreed. In some industries it's called the project perfection syndrome. Essentially, a desire for utter perfection in its most idealized form adds more non-essential tasks to take care of, until scope creep happens. And scope creep is when you keep adding goals in order to meet either a customer's or your own changing needs, which can lead to delays.
That only applies if you have already have a product which is functioning well & therefore further tinkering becomes detrimental, where perfection is chasing a pipe dream.
Fixing bugs prior to release is done in order to achieve a product that is functioning well.
There's quite a big difference.
 
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Oregano696

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2) Release a somewhat polished beta build to Patreon backers (or people I trust), putting the product in the hands of the people who probably most want to play it (and somewhat crowdsourcing playtesting). It would inevitably get leaked here I'm sure, but if we ran into any issues, we'd have no room to bitch (given it's clearly marked as a beta build). I would continue to work on the release similar to scenario 1.
They already do this, some selected patrons on the Best Friend tier get to play test the update before release.

And anyone who uses the argument of "this is a pirate site, you have no right to complain", the game is completely free-to-play. There is no moral high ground here, asshole.
So what if the game is free-to-play? This isn't about having a "moral high ground", its about respecting the money people out there are pouring into the game. And right now the vast majority of these people are asking the devs to take their time and release the update and they believe its ready. Simple.
 

Jarcar

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The only thing that makes me wonder is that this last few % takes like 3 weeks. You guys are saying that they are working their ass off to deliver it and I do not doubt it. Still I wonder how long it will take to create the next update, when this one takes so much time at the end. I guess when it is finally released we will have some explanaition why it took so long. ''Magicnuts'' was quite active in this thread before, so after his work is done I believe he will have more time to talk with us.

Btw, can someone remind me what sex scenes we will have in upcoming update? As far as I remember it is going to be focus on this ''drunk elf'', right?
 

bingolebongo

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The only thing that makes me wonder is that this last few % takes like 3 weeks. You guys are saying that they are working their ass off to deliver it and I do not doubt it. Still I wonder how long it will take to create the next update, when this one takes so much time at the end. I guess when it is finally released we will have some explanaition why it took so long. ''Magicnuts'' was quite active in this thread before, so after his work is done I believe he will have more time to talk with us.

Btw, can someone remind me what sex scenes we will have in upcoming update? As far as I remember it is going to be focus on this ''drunk elf'', right?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it went like this last time too. It's probably indicative of a normal development cycle, but obviously it's impossible to tell for sure since we have no insight. :)

The next update will have these scenes according to the latest update:

"There will be 6 sex scenes: five with Lana (a blowjob, a titjob, and three vaginal ones) and one with Simmone (handjob)."

(Lana is indeed the drunken elf.)
 

magicnuts

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- The update is not late. For it to be late, it will need to have a release date, something we didn't have until a few days ago when I said 0.5 will be released in September. The 3-5 month statement is followed by a qualifier indicating, reasonably, I think, that the actual time will vary depending on the update and the content. Why did we decide to offer a refund then? Two reasons: 1) because we wrongly assumed that some of our patrons may have missed that qualifier. Wrongly, because the number of patrons who actually requested a refund could be counted on the fingers of one hand. 2) I noticed we had many new patrons and assumed that some of those may have joined us as they saw the progress tracker nearing completion, and wanted to make sure they don't feel cheated by what I consider the normal procedure of developing our content (again, a wrong assumption as it turned out).

- I see an increasing number of people who claim to be patrons call us names, be rudely unhappy about our approach, and then disappear once I reach out to confirm their account and refund their pledges. The offer stands, and if you're dissatisfied with our approach, please get in touch with us on Patreon (or Discord if you have paired your account), and I will give any pledges you have made to us in the past three months (Patreon's limit).

- Most of the talk about 'perfectionism' misses the point that you or others probably wouldn't have liked the game enough to bother to post a message about it if it didn't have the degree of polish it has right now. Wanting us to rush the last and one of the most crucial stages of development is absurd and illogical for anyone who actually likes the game. You assume we're overly anal, but what we're doing is what we did for the last updates and what we will do for the future ones. It's okay not to like the way we handle the polish phase of our development, but I see the job we're doing right now as what differentiates an okay update from a good one.

- The progress has slowed down because we only mark the bugs being found and fixed, but testing and looking for errors still takes a huge amount of time. If anything, we're working more hours now than ever.

- The game is not extremely buggy to require so much debugging. It has nearly twice the number of words of the previous update, and all those words have posing, coding, images, etc. attached to them that may require extra fixes or changes. On top of that, since the main story update involves several other characters, we have had to go back and edit and test content from 0.3 and 0.4 to make sure they don't interfere with one another, and you can play them in any order and for them to still somewhat make sense.

- Are we adding new content during this final phase? Probably not, at least nothing major. That being said, I have no problem adding or cutting things if I feel it will give players a better experience. The update will be out in September, and we will make whatever decision we feel will improve the game before that.

- Will the content be amazing after all the wait? I hope so, but I cannot guarantee that since the content is not tailor-made to suit any individual. The 0.5 update focuses on the Main Story, and so if you're into the story and like Lana's character, I think you will enjoy it. If not, I suggest you adjust your expectations.
 

mayylok

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the whiners have created them with a formidable game .. they must be proud of having created a game that doesn't make the avid fans feel like these days, I'm really curious to see how the story goes on ..
 

johnelros

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Hi everybody.

I hope you're having a great day and are ready to relax and have a chill weekend.
We're almost done with the debugging, and only a few more tasks are left.

Here's an outline of what we expect to happen in the next few days:
- We plan to be done with all of the current issues by tomorrow.
- Then, I want to spend one day improving the sound effects, adding those new avatars sent to me recently, and changing the code to add quality of life improvement features to the crystal ball. I will not try to fix the name of the saved file folder in 0.5 since that's an issue that may cause a lot of bugs, and I don't want it to delay the release.
- I hope that we can do all these by Monday, and then we will spend Monday and Tuesday trying to break the game, typo check, and do the final touches on some of the writing (Chestnut has made a list of suggestions for sentences that she thinks can be improved).
- On Wednesday, we plan to send the update to a few of the members we have contacted and who have agreed to help us test the game. We're going to give them a few days, and if everything is good by Friday morning, we will release the game on that day.

Remember that all this assumes that we don't find any significant issues requiring extra tasks.

I hope you have a great weekend.
Cheers
 
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j4yj4m

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.... they will be very happy
Sadly there'll be a good number of people who will skip/rush through the update, count the number of scenes to then start complaining about the fact that there are too few of them for the time it took. And of course everbody but them is too stupid to realize that it's obviously just milking.

It's the same with every (2D) game and I'm really happy that magicnuts has found a good way to deal with these people.
 
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Porn_Jesus

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Ah yes the gaming community, whining when delayed and whining not polished when not delayed, never give an eta folks just suddenly release when you are satisfied and done and they will be very happy
It doesn't matter how you deal with it.

-no eta = game dead

-eta = they will fail even when the deadline is still a thing or if you are slightly over it = game dead

-giving a rough idea when it might happen = dev has no time management skills

-going full Blizzard and using the phrase "it's done when it's done" = they milk cash.

It's a nightmare. :FacePalm:
 
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