Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.05] [MagicNuts]

[whichone]

I agree, but exceptions aren't examples. Being sick and taking leave for other necessary reasons are valid but certain things have to done in order to run the company. If people started stop working based on what they felt that day, companies would collapse. Although the exception here (developers of What a Legend) is a group of people who are self-employed meaning they can work if they want to or not depending what they want. But and there is a big Butt, and that is, unlike a company that might fire you if you didn't finish a certain work for no reason, when you have people supporting through a media like patreon, you will get paid (although if people lose trust, it might get lowered but not zero)
Listen man, I also want the game to be finished and love the developers too, let's not get into this silly argument. Have a good day

You specifically stated that people have to go to work, regardless of how they feel.
Your statement was wrong. They do not.
A sick day evidences this.

Most people who work for a company neither know, nor care what is required to keep it running.
They do their job & go live their lives.
They do not do their job to keep the company running.
They do their job so that they can get paid and afford to live.

No company can just "fire you if you didn't finish certain work."
Under employment law you need to receive warnings before you can be fired.
Generally 3. Verbal, written & final.

You're still working to someone else's schedule/demands.

When the company that you work for is your own & so is your product, then so is your schedule.
No-one has authority over your position, or your schedule.

 

[Lovv99]

God, a week more for bugtesting? Hopefully this update is worth the wait

maximum 7-8 short animations as in every update.

 

[MissSonicBoom]

I'm afraid that it was their fault.
They promoted the product as something which the reality didn't come close to meeting.

You're misreading this part, I'm referring to the fans not being at fault.

The rest is down to both sides, but no matter what you do, hype will always get built up regardless, hype was built up over a tweet from the Cyberpunk account simply saying " *beep* ", nothing else, just that they were alive. Hype was inevitable, they just massively dropped the ball on it but they were never going to reach that level anyway, I'm not excusing them by any means, but I am saying, hype will always exceed the product.

 

[gamer012345]

You specifically stated that people have to go to work, regardless of how they feel.
Your statement was wrong. They do not.
A sick day evidences this.

Most people who work for a company neither know, nor care what is required to keep it running.
They do their job & go live their lives.
They do not do their job to keep the company running.
They do their job so that they can get paid and afford to live.

No company can just "fire you if you didn't finish certain work."
Under employment law you need to receive warnings before you can be fired.
Generally 3. Verbal, written & final.

You're still working to someone else's schedule/demands.

I really appreciate your effort to keep going and not using slurs/curse words to prove your point. Now when I said, "people started stop working based on what they felt that day " I meant to say, people get lazy, depressed or just fed up with their life, for this reason, they might "feel" not working that day. But they are an adult and have to do things to feed their family, live a good life. Now the exception to this would be, if their loved ones died and need to go to their funeral, or physically ill/ incapable to continue their work etc.
"Most people who work for a company neither know, nor care what is required to keep it running."
True, agreed.

"They do not do their job to keep the company running.
They do their job so that they can get paid and afford to live."

I mean, if they don't do their jobs, the company wouldn't be able to run and hence, wouldn't be able to generate profit and pay their employees. The employees might not care where the company is heading, but it is in their best interest to keep the company running well cause their livelihood depends on it.

" No company can just "fire you if you didn't finish certain work." "
I think, you forgot to quote "for no reason" lol. And yes, if someone stopped working, the company can legally fire them. Now, it's not instant and they do have to follow the procedure what you described above.

"You're still working to someone else's schedule/demands."
Sure, it depends on what post you have.

Edit : We can agree to disagree, but this thread isn't for our little arguments. We can end it here hopefully. Also man, I come here for a quick fap, not to get lectured or to give lecture to somebody lmao

 

[gamer012345]

That seems rather naive. Most companies have contingency & they certainly have succession planning.
If someone didn't do their job, they would get other people to do it reliably whilst moving to get the culprit removed from their position.
They are not going to wait whilst the person in the role does not perform, they will spread the workload around others who are reliable.

No, I did not forget to add that.
You already specified the reason: "if they didn't finish certain work".
No company can legally do that, without having already given you warnings for conduct.
If you get your final written warning, you're probably getting fired for gross misconduct.
Whilst "not finishing certain work." would be a contributory factor, it's not enough to fire anyone, on its own.

Not really. Just about everyone in a company is working to someone else's schedule.
That's why it's a heirarchical system. You work to the demands & schedules of those above you.
Even the CEO works to the demands & schedule of the board who, in turn, work to the demands of shareholders.

you know, we could be using this time to see new games/art or even listen to some old music to pass the time. I genuinely do not wish to continue. As I said, we can agree to disagree. Goodbye, bro

 

[whichone]

you know, we could be using this time to see new games/art or even listen to some old music to pass the time. I genuinely do not wish to continue. As I said, we can agree to disagree. Goodbye, bro

Then why post incorrect stuff on a public forum, if you do not like having the blatant mistakes pointed out?

Companies generally don't operate with single points of failure. They have contingencies in place, specifically to prevent the scenario you paint, making it implausible.
No professional organisation is going to crumble, because some people don't do their jobs.
They will get replacements, long before that happens.
People do not have to work, regardless of how they feel.
If they don't feel up to it, they take a sick day.

You're misreading this part, I'm referring to the fans not being at fault.

The rest is down to both sides, but no matter what you do, hype will always get built up regardless, hype was built up over a tweet from the Cyberpunk account simply saying " *beep* ", nothing else, just that they were alive. Hype was inevitable, they just massively dropped the ball on it but they were never going to reach that level anyway, I'm not excusing them by any means, but I am saying, hype will always exceed the product.

Ah, right, sorry. Thought you meant ** were not at fault.
My bad.

When you consider that R* have plenty of open world experience & they took 8 years to work on RDR2, but CDPR tried to do it in 6.
They were doomed before they began, to be fair.

 

[gamer012345]

Then why post incorrect stuff on a public forum, if you do not like having the blatant mistakes pointed out?

You know, some people like pixel type art and some modern art. There is no "right" art and many people will have different opinions and that's fine. The reason I didn't wanna continue is, first of all, this thread isn't meant for that. Secondly, you are hell-bent on trying to prove me wrong. Thirdly, we have very and I mean, very different mindsets. If we continue, I might be seating here until the update comes lol. Finally, if you feel somewhat proud to defeat me, then congrats, you have. This, however, doesn't make me change my stance on what I said before.

 

[whichone]

You know, some people like pixel type art and some modern art. There is no "right" art and many people will have different opinions and that's fine. The reason I didn't wanna continue is, first of all, this thread isn't meant for that. Secondly, you are hell-bent on trying to prove me wrong. Thirdly, we have very and I mean, very different mindsets. If we continue, I might be seating here until the update comes lol. Finally, if you feel somewhat proud to defeat me, then congrats, you have. This, however, doesn't make me change my stance on what I said before.

You proved yourself wrong with the first comment I responded to.
All I did was make an observation, pointing out the error in what you'd said.

People do not "have to go to work, regardless of how they feel."
It is not subjective, like art. That statement is blatantly, categorically incorrect.
Sick days are conclusive proof of this fact.
If I feel unwell, I do not have to go to work.
It's as simple as that.

I feel no pride about your position in this discussion. I'm actually starting to feel like I'm having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

 

[Jash83]

"I've got a present for you, Lana! After spending several days tracking down the ingredients to your favorite dish, I just shoved the uncovered plate into my bag and waited an entire night before giving it to you. Enjoy!"

Yet, the dish is still fully intact and steaming hot anyway. That's some bag!

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Uh, yeah, well whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it.

 

[Viressa]

Uh, yeah, well whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it.

(For that matter, I had to wait an extra day because I forgot the logs from Myrtle's house. That rabbit would have been *nasty* after a full 24 hours before being prepared, in a world without refridgeration. I guess the bag has preservative magic or something.)

 

[Darkku]

Weekly report 115


We will spend Saturday, Sunday, and Monday playing the finished content and doing nothing other than testing different quests with different save files, typo-hunting, and looking for things we have overlooked.

1 person can do it in few hours , but 3 days?
tell me you are milking patreon pledges without telling me you are milking patreon pledges

 

[Omnikuken]

1 person can do it in few hours , but 3 days?
tell me you are milking patreon pledges without telling me you are milking patreon pledges

Either you never read anything the devs said or you just figured out how to troll, both cases make for a good laugh

 

[Dragoonz99]

Fuck, it has been a WHILE since a game kept me up until 3 am. Its unfortunate this game's taking a year to update bc it looks like they have ALOT planned. Even still though, what they have up now is amazing, hopefully it all gets sorted

 

[ThtsMyScrtCapImAlwysHorny]

No company can just "fire you if you didn't finish certain work."
Under employment law you need to receive warnings before you can be fired.
Generally 3. Verbal, written & final.

Point is, that no company can legally fire them, without having already given warnings for conduct.
If you get your final written warning, you're probably getting fired for gross misconduct.
Whilst "not finishing certain work with no reason" would be a contributory factor, it's not enough to fire anyone, on its own.
It would have to be a breach of contractual terms, something much more severe.

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Must be nice, living somewhere that respect workers' rights.

 

[moskyx]

1 person can do it in few hours , but 3 days?
tell me you are milking patreon pledges without telling me you are milking patreon pledges

Waiting till July 31 is an awful move to 'milk' as they automatically refund everyone who subscribe in the lasts days of the month (I don't know what exact day they are using as refunding limit but still). They'll surely have a boost in subscriptions between July 29 and August 3 as the update is finally released and they will only get one payment from them: after their subscription's pledge, new patrons coming in August won't be billed again until September, while late July subscribers will be refunded their first pledge so it will be the same, their second effective payment will arrive on September.

If they'd release the update let's say today, they'd get the first subscription's pledge from all of the new supporters and then their monthly pledge again on August 1. That could, indeed, be seen as milking, which is why these devs have been refunding late month's pledges since v0.2

 

[nitram5]

From discord:
Note: we are going to take several days to further test the game internally, and after that, we intend to send a test build out to external testers to play, look for errors, and try to break the game. Therefore, we are unlikely to release the 0.6 update for patrons b efore the 30th of July. The public release will be out 24 hours after that. Additionally, ports (such as the Android version and translations) are done by the player community and will not be released with the main game (if at all). So please be patient, and don't ask those who port/translate the game to work faster.

 

[X0M3!]

God, a week more for bugtesting? Hopefully this update is worth the wait

Reminds of someone who started humble with good art & stroytelling & humor, then turend into Milking Machine , what is his sudo name ..... Dark .... something .... Cookie.

This whole "Support the dev not the title" Model is uncanny to SS ... so is the whole dev/release cycle. Also look at patreon graphs of them both in 3 years this will become SS no doubt.

 

[St. Nix]

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The Reign of Polishmen, is officialy over.
Thankyou brave Polishmen, for your services. Now, we're gonna wait for Good 'ol Rosie~

 

[St. Nix]

Reminds of someone who started humble with good art & stroytelling & humor, then turend into Milking Machine , what is his sudo name ..... Dark .... something .... Cookie.

This whole "Support the dev not the title" Model is uncanny to SS ... so is the whole dev/release cycle. Also look at patreon graphs of them both in 3 years this will become SS no doubt.

Aside the fact that SS is constantly giving you update each few months and WaL that constantly giving refund for Patrons that unhappy and both that always let people to play their games for free, idk what are you on about.

 

[AnotherAnon9999]

Writing coaches: "Now, it's important that we don't make our villain *too* on the nose, they should be believable and empathetic-"
Magicnuts: "Nah."

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Seriously though, I honestly don't mind Waldo? As an antagonist, I mean. Sure, he's way over the top in just how much of an asshole he is, but in our modern media landscape where every writer tries to make their villain the woobie "I was abused as a child so I'm gonna blow up the world" or some well-intentioned extremist who goes too far "the world will be destroyed unless the system is overthrown, now execute the toddlers" a straightforward villain like Waldo is a breath of fresh air. And honestly, he's kinda more realistic than the alternative? Most assholes you meet in real life don't have complicated justifications for why they're assholes, they just have positions of power over you (or at least, think they do) and enjoy flexing that power for personal gain.

He is a person you want to hate.
He is the embodiment of everything you could ever hate in someone who is dating or married to a woman you like.
That's why it's so easy to love to hate him and why any cosmic punishment he receives is satisfying.
Like this is not some grey shaded and interesting antagonist who somewhere has a point but is utterly misguided.
He is the punching bag and that is okay too.

While we have other more interesting and sinister villains in the story, he
is the comic relief villain whose misfortune brightens our day.