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So far the reason for the Abandoned tag is only related to this website rules that without any update for 18 months puts a "Abandoned" tag in it, the game was bot been declared abandoned by the devs or anything like that.
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Yep, the dev came on here to let everyone know right as the Abandoned tag went on this game was clearly not abandoned and that the update was almost done, like... 4-5 months ago... so yea...
- Nov 25, 2018
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Poor fellow, apologies if my post was to complicated for you to read. Their clearly was no rage in my statement, that would be like feeling anger for ants at my feet. I am simply disappointed that we don't have a better community here, even if it is a gooner nest.
- Mar 17, 2019
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STONKS! How much will it grow? I guess the magicscams will find at least 260 bugs. A RENPY GAME BTW!!!!
How about everyone just... stops being mad and insulting each other? Like, if we want to have a useful, productive, and just generally good-to-be-around comment thread... How about we stop just repeating the same points of "gamedev is hard" and "dev is a scumbag lol" and just have a discussion about it?
Like, sure the dev is taking a while to make this update, and it might be a slower pace than early updates, but lets be honest here: Have you seen a porn game that didn't slow down in update speed after some time? The early updates are always the fastest, since the devs don't have that many expectations on them for high quality, and they don't have as much content and story complexity to work around. Everyone expects each update to be at least as good as the last one, and if updates just take more time as time goes on, the players/patreons will expect the longer updates to be better to justify. Not to mention that devs work quick on the first updates since they're full of energy. They haven't been hit by burnout since they just started, but as time goes on, it can get tiring to work on a project for such a long stretch consecutively, even one you really like, as I can personally attest to (although obviously to a lesser extent, I'm not really a gamedev.) Plus, I don't know if the dev is working full time on the game or whether they also have a day job, and if so, you guys should really be giving a bit more slack.
However, the dev making the players wait so long for one big update rather than finding some way to either release it as either a buggy "beta-version" situation (like most games, porn or otherwise, seem to do these days), or even splitting up the update into two or more parts. If the update takes this long to put out compared to other ones, where Patreon's system bills monthly/yearly, the dev should have almost certainly gone with some other plan over making Patrons wait more than a year for a single actual update to the game. I don't know whether the dev has done this, but I see lots of other devs, artists, or content creators of other types refunding their Patrons for billing cycles they didn't put anything out on. That seems like a very reasonable thing for this dev to do given the situation, for at least some of the billing cycles, and the fact that they haven't (if they haven't, again, i don't know), is a little suspect. Not impossible that the dev either doesn't know that that's a thing they can even do, or that the dev is just really lacking in terms of money, but if the latter, then the dev should definitely make a statement about it.
Also, despite what I said in the prior section, the speed of updates is pretty unreasonable by any standards, unless this update is just inordinately massive. It is a complicated game with very well-made art, but that doesn't justify the absolute massive timescale of this update. True, the game is made by one person who may or may not have a day job too (idk), but this is just one update, not a whole feature-complete game. And the Patrons aren't investors, so really, comparing this to mainstream game dev just isn't helpful, there's too many dissimilarities.
In the end, Patreon donations are completely voluntary, and if you're a Patron and continue to donate, you should notice the pattern that this update is taking way long to make, and either stop being a patron (like I'm sure many have already), or come to terms with the truth that the game may not be getting done any time soon, regardless of whether that's due to poor work ethic or a dedication to quality and making their game the best it can be. If you aren't a patron, have a little gratitude to those who are, for funding a dev who would likely have a lot less reason to be giving you guys free and high quality porn games if not for their donations.
And please, nobody talk about patrons "dickriding" the dev, or non-patrons being stupid and not understanding how gamedev works in "the real world" or whatever. It doesn't accomplish much of anything besides wasting everyone's time, making random strangers feel worse about themselves/get angry for no good reason, and making this comments section completely unusable.
Like, sure the dev is taking a while to make this update, and it might be a slower pace than early updates, but lets be honest here: Have you seen a porn game that didn't slow down in update speed after some time? The early updates are always the fastest, since the devs don't have that many expectations on them for high quality, and they don't have as much content and story complexity to work around. Everyone expects each update to be at least as good as the last one, and if updates just take more time as time goes on, the players/patreons will expect the longer updates to be better to justify. Not to mention that devs work quick on the first updates since they're full of energy. They haven't been hit by burnout since they just started, but as time goes on, it can get tiring to work on a project for such a long stretch consecutively, even one you really like, as I can personally attest to (although obviously to a lesser extent, I'm not really a gamedev.) Plus, I don't know if the dev is working full time on the game or whether they also have a day job, and if so, you guys should really be giving a bit more slack.
However, the dev making the players wait so long for one big update rather than finding some way to either release it as either a buggy "beta-version" situation (like most games, porn or otherwise, seem to do these days), or even splitting up the update into two or more parts. If the update takes this long to put out compared to other ones, where Patreon's system bills monthly/yearly, the dev should have almost certainly gone with some other plan over making Patrons wait more than a year for a single actual update to the game. I don't know whether the dev has done this, but I see lots of other devs, artists, or content creators of other types refunding their Patrons for billing cycles they didn't put anything out on. That seems like a very reasonable thing for this dev to do given the situation, for at least some of the billing cycles, and the fact that they haven't (if they haven't, again, i don't know), is a little suspect. Not impossible that the dev either doesn't know that that's a thing they can even do, or that the dev is just really lacking in terms of money, but if the latter, then the dev should definitely make a statement about it.
Also, despite what I said in the prior section, the speed of updates is pretty unreasonable by any standards, unless this update is just inordinately massive. It is a complicated game with very well-made art, but that doesn't justify the absolute massive timescale of this update. True, the game is made by one person who may or may not have a day job too (idk), but this is just one update, not a whole feature-complete game. And the Patrons aren't investors, so really, comparing this to mainstream game dev just isn't helpful, there's too many dissimilarities.
In the end, Patreon donations are completely voluntary, and if you're a Patron and continue to donate, you should notice the pattern that this update is taking way long to make, and either stop being a patron (like I'm sure many have already), or come to terms with the truth that the game may not be getting done any time soon, regardless of whether that's due to poor work ethic or a dedication to quality and making their game the best it can be. If you aren't a patron, have a little gratitude to those who are, for funding a dev who would likely have a lot less reason to be giving you guys free and high quality porn games if not for their donations.
And please, nobody talk about patrons "dickriding" the dev, or non-patrons being stupid and not understanding how gamedev works in "the real world" or whatever. It doesn't accomplish much of anything besides wasting everyone's time, making random strangers feel worse about themselves/get angry for no good reason, and making this comments section completely unusable.
- Mar 10, 2019
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I mean, it's more than obvious to me (and hopefully everyone else) that the whole progress log was fake and that they are currently developing the new update. I really enjoy playing the game, but to rip off the supporters like that is really a shame...
...the abandoned tag is more than justified imo
...the abandoned tag is more than justified imo
i'm not gonna read a article about porn game. can anybody summurize this ?
- Feb 3, 2024
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It’s a husband and wife team and they work full time on this game. They’ve had some typical life events interfere with development.
I understand they’ve actually had two kids over the last two years, and one of the devs needed some surgery for something, so that changes the dynamics a bit. It’s very likely that one of the two devs doesn’t work full time on this game anymore, that’d be understandable, and very normal.
In the grand scheme of things, good luck to the devs if they can have patrons pay for their lives as they produce this little game at such a slow pace now. It’s none of our business how well they do off the back of supporters.
But here’s a singular statistic that completely justifies why people are sceptical of the latest episode’s development:
- Episodes 1-6 combined took a little over 2 years to complete all together. Episode 7 has taken over two years on its own.
They said, “Now now, play nice, children.”
Thanks for the info, that's good to know. Seems kinda odd to me how many husband-and-wife lewd-game-dev teams I've seen recently. Or maybe that's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.
I never said people weren't justified about complaining about the dev time. I think it is absolutely justifiable to complain about. However, doing so by insulting the patrons or the dev, and the dev's supporters insulting them back isn't accomplishing much of anything. I'm sure that the reason the dev time is so long is a combination of just real-life factors getting in the way, expectation and feature creep, and also possibly the dev not feeling very motivated to work on it, either because they're getting paid either way, or just because of burnout/similar things. I'm also quite skeptical about the dev time, I was just trying to present both sides of the argument in a concise and reasonable form so as to make it easier for people to see both sides of the issue as valid points.
Also, yeah, your summary of my previous comment is pretty accurate.
With this much time, i'm waiting for a completed game
- Jun 17, 2019
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Just to clarify some facts, they had their second child on October 2022, at the start of this dev cycle. They already had a daughter when they started developing the game, but she was already schooled so she never impacted their workflow as this new baby did. Since they work at home, working on the game and taking care of the newborn obviously created some difficulties in terms of how many hours they could devote to the game. Patrons were perfectly aware of this since the child's birth because devs told them. Sadly, and as it can be inferred from devs' weekly reports, this has not only affected the development in terms of working hours but also, and more severely, in terms of the quality of these working hours, leading to a drop in the overall quality of the scenes initially planned and created (a phase that officially ended last April). As a result, they need to remake several scenes, adding new artwork and dialogues to other scenes, and fix all the inconsistencies this creates on the rest of the valid work done. This is of course where everyone is free to believe what devs say or not; where some people simply imagine they were slacking and not working at all for 1.5 years, others who can read those reports and talk regularly to devs on their Discord could see the stress hitting hard on them and leading them to make more errors and bad choices than in previous updates.It’s a husband and wife team and they work full time on this game. They’ve had some typical life events interfere with development.
I understand they’ve actually had two kids over the last two years, and one of the devs needed some surgery for something, so that changes the dynamics a bit. It’s very likely that one of the two devs doesn’t work full time on this game anymore, that’d be understandable, and very normal.
In the grand scheme of things, good luck to the devs if they can have patrons pay for their lives as they produce this little game at such a slow pace now. It’s none of our business how well they do off the back of supporters.
But here’s a singular statistic that completely justifies why people are sceptical of the latest episode’s development:
- Episodes 1-6 combined took a little over 2 years to complete all together. Episode 7 has taken over two years on its own.
They said, “Now now, play nice, children.”
Allegedly, this update is the biggest so far in terms of wordcount: 0.6 added up to 44k words, and this 0.7 is currently said to be around 66k (although the final amount would probably be less than that). The first 4 updates combined were developed in about 3 years (you need to take into account the time invested in creating 0.1), but the first update fully focused on 1 single character (0.4, Myrtle) that took 4-5 months had basically half of the words of 0.6 (that took 10 months). These longer, meaty updates are what patrons voted for, long time ago. For this 0.7, devs went for a 2-quest update instead of the ordinary 3-quest story, but with a different art and narrative style, more action-sided. They thought they could compensate for a higher difficulty with the shorter length, but they were wrong on this (and they admitted their misjudgment long ago to their patrons). Again, it's only devs' word until we can see it for ourselves, but before this update no one here could possibly say anything bad or even the slightest suspicious about them. They were known for underpromising and overdelivering. We'll see.
Finally, about the hip surgery that has created so much controversy in this forum. Originally, it was just a side note to explain why the daily tracker was not going to be updated for the next couple of days. Sadly, the procedure went wrong and dev needed a second surgery a month later. Again, it only meant about 3-4 days of not updating the daily tracker (I guess this impacted both the amount and quality of the work done during those weeks, but let's leave that out of the question). At some point, there was a discussion here about development time and devs unethically getting paid leaves from their patrons, and I just pointed out that having a child and a serious surgery would mean 5 months of paid leave for any Spanish worker: 4 for the newborn (plus 1 extra month for breastfeeding, only for the mother), and 1 for the double surgery (which, in this case, only affected the man of the house). At that moment, I only tried to explain that if people were going to compare these self-employed devs with ordinary workers, they should take into account that, in the devs' country, those two workers wouldn't work at all for 5 months and would still get paid. For some reason, some people then started to think that the hip surgery was an actual excuse devs used for not working for a whole month, and we had several users sharing their relatives' experiences to call devs liars. That's on me, I guess?
This game was last updated more than 2 years ago. Yes, updates take longer with each patch, but not like this - and frankly, unless they literally double the amount of content they have in the game, it doesn't justify taking 2 years for a SINGLE update. It's pretty obvious that the devs are dragging the updates out to milk their patrons.
You are correct that no singular factor can make a game take so much longer, but factor in all the individual factors, then it becomes a bit more obvious why it could happen. Of course, there's probably a good amount of... not the best behavior in there. But lets not be hasty and assume the worst intentions in a dev. Most likely they did have a semi-significant number of days when they did less work than they were supposedly being paid for, but I assume you can imagine how demotivating working on a project for so long could be, due to all these complications reducing the time they could work and giving them a lot of financial issues. Read the post above your comment for more info.
Time traveler here from the year 2132 and we are still waiting for 0.9. Jumped back in time to recover lost data that was lost in the great purge.
Praise the Omnisiah.
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- Sep 23, 2018
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If you read through some of the posts here you will know exactly why.
You can find at least two examples on this same page.
- Jun 2, 2022
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I honestly don't think I've ever seen someone write a novel of cope. That's a new one for me. The absolute Olympic level of hurdle jumping here is gold medal worthy. I mean if nothing else...wow...well done.
For the rest of us that are sensible with critical thinking skills though... yeah no. While you can write about how you once had a situation and now you can relate to the devs and how this makes you feel for them on a personal level etc. etc. All I hear is excuses for what is probably some serious dishonesty on their part. It would be far better for them and definitely for the contributors for the devs to simply take the break they need, cease the for show updates, and come back at a later time and finish the project. The contributors and fans would have a ton more respect for that and some of the contributors I'm sure would still want to support them while on break.
But the dog and pony show is pretty obvious.