Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.05] [MagicNuts]

[whichone]

You want this pirate site to be a echo chamber where the devs only get praise?

No, but neither do I want it to be an echo chamer for invalid criticism that gets trotted out without any valid evidence to support it.
Particularly not when the facts are easily established & contrary to that criticism.

Yes, this episode has taken a long time, but it's the biggest one they've done yet, so it's expected to take a bit longer than the previous ones.
On top of that, they had a new child & Pistachio was hospitalised twice for two operations. Those obviously slow them down considerably.
These devs post a weekly update, so anyone who's not satisfied with the progress can withdraw their support at any time they wish, if the progress does not meet their expectation.
They have offered numerous refunds to patrons.
They give the game away for free.

So baseless accusations of "milking" are just trash.

 

[Xupuzulla]

You can always report posts or ignore users you dont like.
Personally i think filters words is a terrible idea and i hope it never happens.

 

[whichone]

You can always report posts or ignore users you dont like.
Personally i think filters words is a terrible idea and i hope it never happens.

Yes, I agree that an auto-delete function on key words would be awful.
There are absolutely cases where the term "milking" is valid & comments can then serve as a warning to others.

But, when the term is just lazily banded around & applied to games that don't warrant it, it loses that capability of warning, as most will end up ignoring it as they've seen it used so many times without just cause.
It removes the urgency.

 

[TheDevian]

To ensure that they can continue earning a decent salary doing something that they enjoy for a living.

You talk as if their support will unconditionally remain. It won't.
If they do what you're suggesting & just string patrons along, they won't be able to make a living from it for very long.
If they ensure that what they deliver is good & justifies the wait (along with the already accepted justification for the delay, caused by two operations & a new child), then their existing patrons remain happy.

Finshing a project is not exactly necessary & doesn't need to be the goal, for these types of games.
If they can come up with new stories, new areas to explore, etc, why does the project need to end?
As long as they can maintain their own interest in telling a story & keep coming up with fresh ideas that keep players engaged, "finishing a project" is really not necessary.

How many times have you reached the end of an enjoyable game & wished there was more of it? I can think of a good few.

Well, there is one reason to finish, and that is that you can make a LOT more money on Steam and stuff than you can on Patreon, even for a well supported dev. So if you are not using Illusion's art for your game, than finishing it is certainly worth while. If you finish a game, and then start a new one, you will make a lot more than "milking" as so many accuse devs of doing.

 

[DemiMaximoff]

These "patreon is just like the patron system of the past" comments have to stop. Ain't no artist keeping their head if they promise the king paintings every one or two months, and then keep collecting from his treasury without any output for 1.5 years.

Patreon users are not funded by one big rich man. They are funded by many non-rich men, whom, given their financial decisions seen here, are deservedly non-rich

 

[sadly_smashed]

Played it last year. Really good game, very complete. Search it up to see how far it has gone, and, nothing? what hell happened? I just saw a devlog on the other page so it is not abandoned, has every single adult game dev just decided not to finish their games to keep the patreon thing?

 

[FreelancerFL]

5 months later no update, damn they're worse at releasing games than SR7

 

[Garrettino]

5 months later no update, damn they're worse at releasing games than SR7

Check your math again bud.
That's 1 year, 5 months (17), later.

 

[moskyx]

I'm sure there must be a discord somewhere sending them on waves. It seems statistically impossible that so many people just happen to regain interest in the exact same game precisely right after someone starts mentioning the m-word again

 

[triple_aaa]

Don't think we'll be able to play the update this year imo which is a first. Ngl, I'm so tired of all this waiting...

 

[wd1111]

These "patreon is just like the patron system of the past" comments have to stop. Ain't no artist keeping their head if they promise the king paintings every one or two months, and then keep collecting from his treasury without any output for 1.5 years.

Patreon users are not funded by one big rich man. They are funded by many non-rich men, whom, given their financial decisions seen here, are deservedly non-rich

I have another theory - diversification, most of these devs start with 1 game, but quickly realize that 5 starter that do catch on rake in a lot more than a single, constantly updated, project
so they keep making new projects to get more and more $$, leaving less and less time to finish any of the projects, because the excuses here and the reports are just silly at this point

and you have the white knight supporter army to defend them for free of course

 

[Porn_Jesus]

Don't think we'll be able to play the update this year imo which is a first. Ngl, I'm so tired of all this waiting...
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Being twice as tired from all the slow speed crying. Like this would speed up things.

 

[walker188]

Don't think we'll be able to play the update this year imo which is a first. Ngl, I'm so tired of all this waiting...
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There's twenty days left, OF COURSE we aren't getting an update this year. That said, the real question is when does it release next year?

At the current pace, March would be a safe bet.

 

[wang2465]

how could one update take this long how ?

 

[Burgundy]

Played it last year. Really good game, very complete. Search it up to see how far it has gone, and, nothing? what hell happened? I just saw a devlog on the other page so it is not abandoned, has every single adult game dev just decided not to finish their games to keep the patreon thing?

The incentives just aren't there. Despite all the complaining, this community is very happy giving money virtually forever without any real concrete proof of work so why would the devs do things any differently?

 

[Buffalo Fred]

This game probably had the most potential of any game here for me. But the updates taking so damn long just kills the interest. I don't understand why they can't hire extra help with the patreon money, surely faster development means more paying customers.

 

[Kirel]

This game probably had the most potential of any game here for me. But the updates taking so damn long just kills the interest. I don't understand why they can't hire extra help with the patreon money, surely faster development means more paying customers.

There is a FAQ item on their Discord about this:


Why don't you add more members to the team?
- The tasks that take the longest are also the stuff we have the most fun doing (art, posing), and prefer to do them mostly ourselves.
- We have already commissioned and continue to commission a talented artist to help us design the backgrounds and the environments.
- We're a married couple, work in the same physical space, work well together, change things all the time, test new ideas, and have an established work routine. I would consider hiring people to work with us in an office or a studio, but given the NSFW nature of the game, that's out of the question, and I prefer not to change my work routine.
- We're happy working on the game full-time, people have been happy so far with the result of our work, and our patrons have expressed they prefer us to keep doing what we're doing. Changing what works seems unnecessary and unhelpful.
- Assuming that we wanted to add new members, it is not easy to find people who can say produce artworks that exactly match the styles of the game, and we do not want there to be two different art styles. What that means is that Chestnut will still have to be doing the finishing works, and extra coordination, that is likely to take her as much time as it does now.
- Some tasks are easier to outsource (e.g., the coding), but those are the easiest and the fastest parts of our job.

 

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[Clobbertime]

- We're happy working on the game full-time, people have been happy so far with the result of our work, and our patrons have expressed they prefer us to keep doing what we're doing. Changing what works seems unnecessary and unhelpful.

Except that the patrons voting to switch to bigger updates that take more time was them expressing they prefer they don't keep doing what they were doing and switching to the bigger updates that take more time actually was changing what had been working and having people happy with the results.

I can't help but wonder how that patron vote would have turned out if they had any idea of just how much more time it was going to lead to the updates having.

 

[moskyx]

Except that the patrons voting to switch to bigger updates that take more time was them expressing they prefer they don't keep doing what they were doing and switching to the bigger updates that take more time actually was changing what had been working and having people happy with the results.

I can't help but wonder how that patron vote would have turned out if they had any idea of just how much more time it was going to lead to the updates having.

That quote was writen after the switch to larger updates -when some people who were not happy with the increase of waiting times between updates asked why they weren't hiring any help. Anyway, just take a look at

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from 2021 (when they released the first character focused update) and you might see that this is exactly what their actual supporters want. Even after almost 18 months without a release, their support don't clearly decline.