TREXrg

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On an unrelated note, I fucking hate the concept of reworking. Imagine your favourite long-running show gets a tenth season, and two random episodes from two random seasons are now "reworked". Now rewatch the whole thing and play spot the difference
Depends if it's significant better reworks are good but the update was not released yet so it's in planning so Pre work not post work.
One can argue it should be done good to begin with and then it would not need a rework, in case to magicnuts the thought that if they released it unreworked :p it would drive even more Patreons away so they `rework`
 

Oriandu

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true. I just have a lack of faith in developers now because of those who just milk it for the money. I get it magicnuts and chestnut had a kid, i get how that could cause distraction elsewhere but for an update that took maybe a few weeks in the past to drag through over TWO YEARS is ridiculous. It just seems that the development cycle for bugs found and fixed, at least the pace, is incredibly convenient, and even in the weekly and monthly updates on patreon(no longer a supporter) there was literally no proof that anything had been done, it was very wishywashy, and the devs would delete comments that would continue to ask for any evidence that things had been changed "oh the game is being completely reworked, every bug is being rehandled, you wont notice any difference whatsoever but trust, its different" its pathetic. I dont even care about this game anymore, i just want to be proactive in criticizing this behavior because its becoming more and more abundant and there are so many people who are foolishly supporting these peoples eccentric lifestyles for delivering fuck-all.
You have absolutely no reason to trust MagicNuts, and they have absolutely no excuse for failing to deliver for as long as they have. They're taking advantage of a flawed system and they've given out paltry justification. A child is not a valid excuse for most people to simply stop working while still getting paid past the limits of maternity leave. The art has been finished for a very long time and there's no way the code requires as much work as they've been putting into it unless somewhere along the line they did something that completely broke the game and even then nothing about WaL is complex enough to require more than a year of code rewrites. The grift is obvious but it's not complete yet. When the update releases we'll see if it was worth the wait (it won't be), and then we see how long it takes for them to get moving on the next update. If there's minimal progress six months down the line from the next release then we know they're truly lost and hopefully they lose a bunch of support.
 

licklog

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Sep 8, 2018
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My 2 cents that no one asked for:

It is development cycles like this that make me hesitate to donate to ANY developer. I can probably count on one hand (because the other is busy) the number of developers that have made a game that I enjoy. And of those Dev's the number that haven't completely shit the bed is fewer.


Kudos to them for getting free money. We're all just grubby little Gooners trying to get by and for some people being deceitful is just as good as an honest day's work.
 

Maericke

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My 2 cents that no one asked for:

It is development cycles like this that make me hesitate to donate to ANY developer. I can probably count on one hand (because the other is busy) the number of developers that have made a game that I enjoy. And of those Dev's the number that haven't completely shit the bed is fewer.


Kudos to them for getting free money. We're all just grubby little Gooners trying to get by and for some people being deceitful is just as good as an honest day's work.
For all the shit they've gotten from people due to 'lack of content' NLT has been producing bi-weekly updates to games for basically half a decade. I support 3 devs and they're one of them.
 

brinith

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I don't know where you got that info but it's plainly wrong in all accounts. This update never had an expected release date before the end of November: nobody ever said it was going to be released by August, or May. And what you call 'a few weeks' has always been something in between 4-5 and 10 months.


And you are lying again, there have been at least a couple of Patreon posts showing the differences between original and reworked artworks for this update, on top of the several spoiler pics and wip videos. So when you talk about 'literally no proof' people should not take your word for it. As for deleted messages, I can also assure the only messages deleted are those which included insults and/or false accussations, not those which only asked for 'proofs' or simply stated users' criticism.
1. no it's not, you can LITERALLY check their discord, LMAO. it never had an expected release date? in march they literally had an entire post addressing backlash they were facing in regard to the length of time it was taken to address the complaints(after it received the long awaited abandoned tag her i believe), who's lying now?

2. "you are lying again" cite your sources. I refuse to give another dollar to them, again, idec about this game anymore at this point. spoiler pics and videos have been circulating for months yeah but there was literally a whole scandal in late fall of last year about one of the videos being AI generated. You can probably find it yourself if you scroll back in these threads far enough but like i said i dont gaf anymore. the fact that i take the time to voice the criticism here is only for to potentially save people from making the mistake of giving them any more money.

3. i'll assume you're a mod on their discord by the way you hogride that last statement. there was literally a period where more than 2 or 3 people spoke their mind on patreon, the messages were deleted, and they went to discord. You can probably still find the logs somewhere unless they were deleted, one of the people's name was bucket. i gotta give magicnuts a round of applause for how well they cover up, or berate anybody that remotely criticizes what theyre doing. continue riding that bandwagon though brother. your dipshit use of your money is your business, least i can do is try to help people not turn into you.
 

Conrad-N7

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1. no it's not, you can LITERALLY check their discord, LMAO. it never had an expected release date? in march they literally had an entire post addressing backlash they were facing in regard to the length of time it was taken to address the complaints(after it received the long awaited abandoned tag her i believe), who's lying now?

2. "you are lying again" cite your sources. I refuse to give another dollar to them, again, idec about this game anymore at this point. spoiler pics and videos have been circulating for months yeah but there was literally a whole scandal in late fall of last year about one of the videos being AI generated. You can probably find it yourself if you scroll back in these threads far enough but like i said i dont gaf anymore. the fact that i take the time to voice the criticism here is only for to potentially save people from making the mistake of giving them any more money.

3. i'll assume you're a mod on their discord by the way you hogride that last statement. there was literally a period where more than 2 or 3 people spoke their mind on patreon, the messages were deleted, and they went to discord. You can probably still find the logs somewhere unless they were deleted, one of the people's name was bucket. i gotta give magicnuts a round of applause for how well they cover up, or berate anybody that remotely criticizes what theyre doing. continue riding that bandwagon though brother. your dipshit use of your money is your business, least i can do is try to help people not turn into you.
if what you say is the truth it makes me question if they even had a kid even further. they lie about one thing, and everything you say is completely questioned.
 

moskyx

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Jun 17, 2019
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1. no it's not, you can LITERALLY check their discord, LMAO. it never had an expected release date? in march they literally had an entire post addressing backlash they were facing in regard to the length of time it was taken to address the complaints(after it received the long awaited abandoned tag her i believe), who's lying now?

2. "you are lying again" cite your sources. I refuse to give another dollar to them, again, idec about this game anymore at this point. spoiler pics and videos have been circulating for months yeah but there was literally a whole scandal in late fall of last year about one of the videos being AI generated. You can probably find it yourself if you scroll back in these threads far enough but like i said i dont gaf anymore. the fact that i take the time to voice the criticism here is only for to potentially save people from making the mistake of giving them any more money.

3. i'll assume you're a mod on their discord by the way you hogride that last statement. there was literally a period where more than 2 or 3 people spoke their mind on patreon, the messages were deleted, and they went to discord. You can probably still find the logs somewhere unless they were deleted, one of the people's name was bucket. i gotta give magicnuts a round of applause for how well they cover up, or berate anybody that remotely criticizes what theyre doing. continue riding that bandwagon though brother. your dipshit use of your money is your business, least i can do is try to help people not turn into you.
1. They never gave a release date until last month, so no matter what topic they addressed in their posts you didn't tell the truth when you claimed that. Many people were guesstimating when the game would be ready, but all those messages were quickly shut down by devs saying it wouldn't be released soon and telling people they should expect this polishing phase to take longer than usual. There's no single message from devs saying 'the estimated release date is X' until last month. At most, they only promised the update would be out before Christmas. But August or May were just uninformed estimations from other users and not official statements by any means.

2. You said 'there's no proof' of devs actually doing something. My sources to say devs have shown those proofs to their patrons (you'd need to accept screenshots since I'm not a patron and can't send proper links, but people can just browse their Patreon timeline to find these posts and more pics and videos showing actual work):
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Also, the AI controversy you mention, I'm not aware of it. If it actually happened in Patreon it never got here or Discord (maybe you are mixing games in your mind?). But anyone following the game and being somewhat familiar with how AI works could easily debunk those claims, so even if this was an actual thing, it can't be called a controversy, just some rando spitting shit out.

3. As I have said multiple times already, I am a Discord mod. I'm not a patron so I can't check patrons' comments on exclusive patron-only posts, but I do know why messages are deleted in Discord (and why users are kicked out of the server). What you call 'people speaking their minds', I'd prefer to define it as 'people insulting patrons and devs, and/or accusing devs of illicit misbehavior with no more proof than their own misinformed, baseless, and half-assed assumptions'. Messages respectfully and politely expressing users' doubts about development are still up, as any follower can attest. If you say devs are milking, or patrons are gullible idiots, you may be speaking your mind but your message will be deleted, that's for sure, because it infringes one of the server's most basic rules: be respectful to others (this also applies to 'defenders' going out of their way to angrily reply perfectly valid negative messages, by the way). But yesterday someone talked about how convenient it is that tasks keep being added daily, and this message was not deleted but replied to. Messages mocking devs for taking so long aren't deleted either (unless they get personal), so saying we'll get GTA 7 before Wal 0.7 is perfectly fine too.

if what you say is the truth it makes me question if they even had a kid even further. they lie about one thing, and everything you say is completely questioned.
Nothing he says is true. Now take your reasoning and apply it to him instead.
 

moskyx

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Ah youre their's discord mod? yeah, im not going to consider what you say as facts then as youre automatically skewed towards protecting them. if multiple people who dont obviously shill confirm what youre saying maybe i will take it with more than a grain of salt
I'd be doing a poor protecting job if someone could easily disprove me, it would be totally counterproductive. But you can join the server and check it by yourself. As a rule of thumb, always take what critics say with a grain of salt, especially when they talk about 'facts': chances are they are totally misinformed and/or biased because they crossed some boundaries and got punished for it.
 

Conrad-N7

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I'd be doing a poor protecting job if someone could easily disprove me, it would be totally counterproductive. But you can join the server and check it by yourself. As a rule of thumb, always take what critics say with a grain of salt, especially when they talk about 'facts': chances are they are totally misinformed and/or biased because they crossed some boundaries and got punished for it.
or they got banned for criticising devs. It isnt my first rodeo, and i most certainly wont believe a mod
 

moskyx

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or they got banned for criticising devs. It isnt my first rodeo, and i most certainly wont believe a mod
Well, as I said, you can join the server and see what it's like. Some exhibits just from this week, no one got banned nor got their messages removed.
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Now, if they confuse expressing criticism with insulting people... that's another topic and they surely get a different treatment.
 

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Radical_Dreamer

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What gets me, is most people complain about not receiving updates from a game they're pirating/receiving for free. :p

I get the patrons rightfully being frustrated for lack of updates, but as one who plays these games for free, I'm going to go with the flow.

That being said, blessings to MagicNuts for bringing children into this lovely, messed-up world we live in.

As for me, I shall wait patiently for the next update. Flying-Spaghetti-Monster knows, there's plenty on this site to pass the time. :3
 

JollyMonk

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What gets me, is most people complain about not receiving updates from a game they're pirating/receiving for free. :p

I get the patrons rightfully being frustrated for lack of updates, but as one who plays these games for free, I'm going to go with the flow.
A tricky one as I vaguely remember the releases being faster in the older versions even when they had some decent content added but like you said when it's free, it's hard to have much to stand on.

Haven't fired this one up in a while but I did recall it being really quite good, which makes it all the sadder for the time taken. Fingers crossed it's released before the end of the year and we're all back here post-nut clarity confirming it was worth the wait:LOL:
 
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