Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.03] [MagicNuts]

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If by animations you mean the sex scenes, then yes, they might change when we're designing a character's content.


Hi there. No, the next update will be about Rose, and the focus of 0.7 is yet to be decided.



- Development time doesn't necessarily translate into play time. 0.4 had no new backgrounds, 0.5 will have 12. Now each one of them may give the player 10 seconds of 'content' to look around and enjoy the art, but they have taken a lot of time to design (even with the help of a sketch artist), color, do different times of the day, make buttons for, etc. Another example: last week, I spent two full days posing and animating a scene that has maybe 10 lines of text and will take a player maximum of 2 minutes to play through. It was not necessary to animate that scene, and if I was calculating the dev-time to play-time ratio, I would never do it. But I think I made the right choice because the final result looks awesome and those 2 minutes will be memorable. You could say the same about many other unnecessary aspects of our game that take time to develop but only make the content better (at least to us) rather than 'big'. Another example from Chestnut: the hen tea scene in 0.4 took her at least 10 days to design, and it added 3 minutes of play time.

- We did plan this update ahead of time, but there are different things you can plan for. We worked out in detail the storyline and how the player would feel, deciding when more humor was needed and when we had to add more action or sexual stuff. We could have planned it for releasing it as fast as possible, and that would have been at the expense of the story, in my opinion. Now you could say we should have taken a foggy middle ground, and I don't disagree even though it is much harder to do that in practice but to say that we're not planning things ahead is simply incorrect.


- In truth, you don't have to invest anything, neither time nor money. We're trying to make a game that entertains, not one that poses a gain-loss analysis problem.

-We set deadlines and completion dates and try to reach them; what we don't do is announcing them publicly.

- I'm sorry that you've been so ill-treated by developers. I don't think anyone spends months developing a game to torture anyone or make them hate your work even though shit happens, of course, and each player will have a different expectation. If I may give you a suggestion, I would say reduce your expectations and don't make assumptions, since the only sure way to play a game that is tailor-made for you is to make it yourself. I don't know if you'll like our next release, and not just for the amount of content (everyone is always talking about how 'big' the update will be and forgets other metrics), but in this post, you have already assumed that 0.5 will be bad, have hated us for cheating you like this, and have told me to prove you wrong. I don't think that's a fun mindset when talking about games, and to me, games are meant to be fun. But, anyway, it's really none of my business to tell you how to enjoy games, so feel free to ignore it, but to address your point, I suggest you wait for the update, and if you see what we consider 'fun' and worth spending dev-time on is drastically different from what you have in mind, go for another game, there are loads of great ones.
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know you are a busy man, but i do enjoy the characters in the game, and it has made me a bit curious as i can see qualities in them from people i know. so, i was wondering, how much of people you know are in the characters of the game?
 
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The intro isn't NTR unless you really are a cuck for the ages that you can feel bad because a bunch of people did the same job that they've been doing every day for years.
 
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twinklecake said:
The intro isn't NTR unless you really are a cuck for the ages that you can feel bad because a bunch of people did the same job that they've been doing every day for years.
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The fantasy of the wannabe patriarch is that all women are his slaves and all* other men are dead. To some who play these porn games to live out that fantasy, a single woman existing who is not their slave, or a man who exists and is not dead, shatters the fantasy and they scream, "NTR! NTR!" Their egos cannot tolerate it.

*Sometimes a patriarch can tolerate the existence of men, so long as those men are his close buddies and said buddies adopt an absolutely submissive position relative to him.
 
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Viressa said:
The fantasy of the wannabe patriarch is that all women are his slaves and all* other men are dead. To some who play these porn games to live out that fantasy, a single woman existing who is not their slave, or a man who exists and is not dead, shatters the fantasy and they scream, "NTR! NTR!" Their egos cannot tolerate it.

*Sometimes a patriarch can tolerate the existence of men, so long as those men are his close buddies and said buddies adopt an absolutely submissive position relative to him.
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Nailed it!

Which coincidentally, is often the signature phrase of these players.
 
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Viressa said:
The fantasy of the wannabe patriarch is that all women are his slaves and all* other men are dead. To some who play these porn games to live out that fantasy, a single woman existing who is not their slave, or a man who exists and is not dead, shatters the fantasy and they scream, "NTR! NTR!" Their egos cannot tolerate it.

*Sometimes a patriarch can tolerate the existence of men, so long as those men are his close buddies and said buddies adopt an absolutely submissive position relative to him.
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That is quite literally the plot of MIST.
 
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claus001 said:
That is quite literally the plot of MIST.
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It's the plot of a disturbing number of these games, actually! And that number grows exponentially when you're willing to stretch the definition of "dead": A popular option in Japan right now is the, "In the future, 99.999% of all males will be impotent, you the MC are the one male who is capable of getting an erection and ejaculating so while there are still other men technically around, impregnating all the women around you is your exclusive right. Don't think too hard about what this will do to the gene pool in the long term."
 
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Vicissitudo said:
The amount of logical and ethical questions related to a fantasy role playing porn game it's too damn high.

Why can't you people just enjoy things? Especially free things.

If you don't like something, just move on...
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Intellectually engaging with a work through criticism is not the same thing as not enjoying it, neither is it a form of attack. Honestly, the opposite is true: Refusing to think about the media you consume only makes sense if you believe it has no value. It's unfortunate how literary criticism has become diluted into "writing a bad review" in the hyper-capitalistic way we interact with stories.

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Its like I walked into the wrong forum.

What part remotely felt like NTR to you guys ?
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I was just making fun of the folks who get really butthurt at the protagonist not getting to fuck his moms during the prologue. It's not remotely NTR, unless you're a weird incel who sees every woman you encounter as being your sexual property by default.
 
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Intellectually engaging with a work through criticism is not the same thing as not enjoying it, neither is it a form of attack. Honestly, the opposite is true: Refusing to think about the media you consume only makes sense if you believe it has no value. It's unfortunate how literary criticism has become diluted into "writing a bad review" in the hyper-capitalistic way we interact with stories.



I was just making fun of the folks who get really butthurt at the protagonist not getting to fuck his moms during the prologue. It's not remotely NTR, unless you're a weird incel who sees every woman you encounter as being your sexual property by default.
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Criticism it's always welcome from my point of view. I've opened a gallery recently and actually that's all I am looking for: people who tell me how to improve and what it's wrong from their point of view.

BUT. But you can't argue on some silly points like "that's unrealistic" or "can't believe he's the only male in the game fucking around" or "that doesn't apply in real life".

I mean, seriously? It's a game.
Some reviews sound like someone whining on how Super Mario was breaking bricks with his fist and growing size after having eaten a mushroom, just to jump on some turtle's head and walking turds just to have a kiss from an unbangable spoiled princess.

There is constructive criticism and pointless criticism.
Now try to read some of the comments of the last pages and tell me which one you find most.
 
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Viressa said:
It's the plot of a disturbing number of these games, actually! And that number grows exponentially when you're willing to stretch the definition of "dead": A popular option in Japan right now is the, "In the future, 99.999% of all males will be impotent, you the MC are the one male who is capable of getting an erection and ejaculating so while there are still other men technically around, impregnating all the women around you is your exclusive right. Don't think too hard about what this will do to the gene pool in the long term."
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Not that it's my type of game or story, but shouldn't there be room for everyone without being called an incel or such?

All that matters is if a game is consistent throughout its development with what the dev promised. If somebody wants to write a game/story without any other meaningful male characters that's just as legitimate as the opposite approach. There's certainly demand for both.

The only thing that's really not ok is people trying to push their own narratives and fetishes on devs. And that basically goes both ways. Here in Wal! it's just as stupid to complain about NTR as it is to demand NTR, because both of these complaints/wishes are futile, as has been made clear several(?) times. But that still doesn't mean that other games are bad because they feature a different narrative.
 
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