j4yj4m

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Viressa didn't call anybody an incel in the comment you quoted, that was reserved for the people willfully misrepresenting WaL!'s MC's foster mothers doing their jobs as NTR.
Sure, he didn't, but if you read his three last posts combined the word it's not a word one should use in that context. Not that this was remotely the point of my post anyway.
 

Viressa

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Not that it's my type of game or story, but shouldn't there be room for everyone without being called an incel or such?

All that matters is if a game is consistent throughout its development with what the dev promised. If somebody wants to write a game/story without any other meaningful male characters that's just as legitimate as the opposite approach. There's certainly demand for both.
I don't disagree, and I'm not at all trying to say that stories like that are necessarily bad: I enjoy plenty of them, Zombie's Retreat was one of my faves for example (though, that's more of a function of ScarlettAnn's art being amazing than anything). I also enjoy WEGs in other genres that I criticize as being deeply misogynist, like slave trainers (Four Elements Trainer, Free Cities), brothel management sims (Something Unlimited), or "You play a female character who gets raped constantly" (Noxian Nights, Claire's Quest, Degrees of Lewdity).

However, I also think it's good to intellectually engage with stories through criticism, rather than merely passively consuming them. And part of criticism is recognizing and understanding how and why bits of a story are misogynist (or racist, or homophobic, etc. but I'll stick with misogyny for my example), and how our society shapes these stories.

That doesn't mean, "if you get off to this story that has misogynistic aspects, then you're a bad person and you should feel bad." Stories are not real life. What you enjoy doing or thinking about in a secondary world, where there are no real people other than yourself, has no bearing on what kind of person you are in reality. In other words, enjoying WEGs where you get to be the Harem Master doesn't make you a patriarchal asshole any more than enjoying creatively blowing up the Earth in Universe Sandbox makes you an omnicidal psychopath.
 
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This is a very thoughtful thing we got going on with all the verbose posts, but the simple question remains:


Where the fuck is Drunk MILF Elf at? It's been like, 4(?) Months since I last played I would've expected an update by now. Not to be rude but I haven't kept up with development and with such a quality game I expected it to be...hmmm...faster?
 

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Alrighty, just about 10% to go~
Hope they can release it on August.
I hope so too, because if any longer I feel like this thread will filled with politics viewpoint war and real life stuff that shouldn't be discuss in a fantasy porn game. Seriously though the hell just happen?
 

j4yj4m

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However, I also think it's good to intellectually engage with stories through criticism, rather than merely passively consuming them. And part of criticism is recognizing and understanding how and why bits of a story are misogynist (or racist, or homophobic, etc. but I'll stick with misogyny for my example), and how our society shapes these stories.
I'm honestly not sure whether that really applies to this NSFW genre in general. I'm pretty sure that many players just want to play something and don't want engage any further. It's like eating fast food, you do it because it's good, comfortable and because you enjoy it, while you don't want to think about the troubles that are connected to it in any shape or form. It would simply ruin most people's mood...

It's debatable whether that's good or bad but I kinda actively refuse to scrutinize every detail just for the sake of it. I'd probably agree with you a bit more if more devs put actual effort into their stories, but I don't think it's actually productive to engage, given how "off the cuff" most stories are and how little thought many devs put it them. Often situations simply arise because a dev wants to get scene X into his next update and looks for the quickest way to get that done.
Not to be rude but I haven't kept up with development and with such a quality game I expected it to be...hmmm...faster?
In these kind of games you usually either get quality or quick releases. So I'm not really sure where your expectation comes from?
 

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Hi, woman with a rape fetish here, who is also a survivor. I don't wanna go too deep into it cause it's super off topic (WaL isn't going anywhere near there, despite my criticisms of it not being perfect on the subject of consent) but the rapebait genre presents a false reality around what rape is, why it happens, and under what circumstances (hint, almost all rape is performed by someone the victim knows and trusts), and this false narrative is ultimately one that protects the rapists in real life from consequences. (Not the only factor, of course. But that people don't believe you when you tell your story unless it matches The Narrative they expect is a pretty major one.)

That's the main reason I call it misogynist. I still get off to it anyway, so. Just because it appeals to folks like me doesn't mean it's not built on a misogynist framework.
 
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The amount of logical and ethical questions related to a fantasy role playing porn game it's too damn high.

Why can't you people just enjoy things? Especially free things.

If you don't like something, just move on...
Grab yer cocks and toss yer salads people it's that easy.

Don't think about it JUST DO IT!
 
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I don't disagree, and I'm not at all trying to say that stories like that are necessarily bad: I enjoy plenty of them, Zombie's Retreat was one of my faves for example (though, that's more of a function of ScarlettAnn's art being amazing than anything). I also enjoy WEGs in other genres that I criticize as being deeply misogynist, like slave trainers (Four Elements Trainer, Free Cities), brothel management sims (Something Unlimited), or "You play a female character who gets raped constantly" (Noxian Nights, Claire's Quest, Degrees of Lewdity).
What is WEG in this context? Definitely not Wicked/Wide Evil Grin. White Emo Girls? Probably not.
 
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