Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.03] [MagicNuts]

[moskyx]

That´s an interesting point. Never thought of that. Don´t know if these cases were common or very rare, but that would change a lot.

I'd say those cases were very common. Religious orders were powerful and highly respected (and even feared), so having a close relative 'serving God' was always a source of pride for families. Plus, if you were poor, being in a convent at least granted you food and shelter (and even education), so it wasn't a bad deal. Lots of parents gave at least one of their children away hoping orders could raise them up, others just tried to stay in God's good graces by having someone close praying for them within God's ranks, those kind of things. So yeah, quite a few monks and nuns never actually felt God's call, they just were sent there and lived the life others chose for them.

Edit.- To stay on topic, I feel the worst 'corruption' we'll ever see in the game would be Anne's route. After all, she is an ambitious woman who's decided to become the world's best whore, and I guess we won't be helping her to achieve that goal because no NTR, so we will be actually derailing her life-plan... that's something to think about, isn't it?

 

[Omniel]

(Honestly, my #1 pick for a new waifu to be added? Serana's mom. Simmone's mom is second. Don't mind me, I just like MILFs + Noblewomen.)

This right here... this should be an option in the game...
I like your thinking. MILF + Noblewomen what a combo

 

[reees754]

so we will be actually derailing her life-plan... that's something to think about, isn't it?

Well, yeah, that´s indeed true, but not all life-plans are "respectable" on the same level.

All you mentioned about the middle-ages sounds about right and logic for the society at that time, thanks for the interesting reminder. You seem to be well educated about that topic.

Anyways, the game is amazing so far and i trust the devs and their choices they´ll make for this game. I don´t expect something absolutely tasteless like the cross in the Nuns room in SummertimeSaga... (if you know what i mean)

There´s one thing in WaL though, i don´t know if i´m interpreting too much into it and if it´s meant by developer in this way, but the Myrtle-Quest was morally very interesting to me:
Myrtle fell in love with MC and liked him more than her dead husband, but still was willing to risk her life and give up her relationship with MC to maybe revive her husband .... just because it´s the right thing to do.....what a girl!
But also MC was ready to help her at the risk of losing her though he likes her a lot, because it´s the right thing to do.

Was that a way of the dev to show that MC is a horndog but has a good heart though, putting doing the right thing at a higher priority? I guess only the devs could tell....

Well....... anyways Myrtle´s Quest was brilliant, the Wolf-part, the scene in the cave was so beautifully drawn..... really amazing stuff...

And yeah. Myrtle is wife-material!

 

[Dragon59]

Well, yeah, that´s indeed true, but not all life-plans are "respectable" on the same level.

All you mentioned about the middle-ages sounds about right and logic for the society at that time, thanks for the interesting reminder. You seem to be well educated about that topic.

Anyways, the game is amazing so far and i trust the devs and their choices they´ll make for this game. I don´t expect something absolutely tasteless like the cross in the Nuns room in SummertimeSaga... (if you know what i mean)

There´s one thing in WaL though, i don´t know if i´m interpreting too much into it and if it´s meant by developer in this way, but the Myrtle-Quest was morally very interesting to me:
Myrtle fell in love with MC and liked him more than her dead husband, but still was willing to risk her life and give up her relationship with MC to maybe revive her husband .... just because it´s the right thing to do.....what a girl!
But also MC was ready to help her at the risk of losing her though he likes her a lot, because it´s the right thing to do.

Was that a way of the dev to show that MC is a horndog but has a good heart though, putting doing the right thing at a higher priority? I guess only the devs could tell....

Well....... anyways Myrtle´s Quest was brilliant, the Wolf-part, the scene in the cave was so beautifully drawn..... really amazing stuff...

And yeah. Myrtle is wife-material!

So... is there a Japanese term for "Stolen by revivification?"

 

[sucklepuck]

So... is there a Japanese term for "Stolen by revivification?"

Necrorare?

 

[Tlaero]

Was that a way of the dev to show that MC is a horndog but has a good heart though, putting doing the right thing at a higher priority? I guess only the devs could tell....

It seems intentional to me. I think they've consistently done this with every sexual thing MC has done so far. It's a large part of what makes him such a compelling character.

Tlaero

 

[Viressa]

This right here... this should be an option in the game...
I like your thinking. MILF + Noblewomen what a combo

I suppose Lana technically counts, once we get her out of those ratty beggar's rags and into some fancy princess dresses. But though Lana ticks the "older woman" box by numerical age she doesn't really have that MILF energy in her design, y'know?

 

[SuddenReal]

But though Lana ticks the "older woman" box by numerical age she doesn't really have that MILF energy in her design, y'know?

Ah, Elves... The only race that can tick "lolita" and "older woman" at the same time.

 

[Ranma]

Ah, Elves... The only race that can tick "lolita" and "older woman" at the same time.

Vampires??

 

[J2400]

It seems intentional to me. I think they've consistently done this with every sexual thing MC has done so far. It's a large part of what makes him such a compelling character.

Tlaero

That's why I really trust MagicNuts with whatever they decide to add to the game.
Previous updates has already shown that even when tackling heavy subjects, they will never divert from making the MC a fundamentally good guy that wants to help other people.

I fully expect that no matter which characters and themes they decide to add, it will be done in a manner consistent with the previous updates:
"Feel-good story" with happy endings, fantastic art and funny writing.

 

[zeroidk]

I'd rather not have a nun at all. Doesn't fit with the game premise.
I'm more interested in his 'moms'

Yeah a nun sounds too cliche to me, plus they'd have to spend time figuring out religion for the game. I'm way more interested in that glory hole orc, she's seems like a freak lol

 

[bingolebongo]

Yeah a nun sounds too cliche to me, plus they'd have to spend time figuring out religion for the game. I'm way more interested in that glory hole orc, she's seems like a freak lol

What if... the gloryholy orc IS the nun...

Edit: I meant "gloryhole" but I like this spelling better.

 

[reees754]

What if... the gloryholy orc IS the nun...

....... that brought him to the brothel as a baby! She is not familiar with human buildings,...... that´s why it got mixed up! It all makes sense now...... ;-)

 

[j4yj4m]

That´s an interesting point. Never thought of that. Don´t know if these cases were common or very rare, but that would change a lot.

At least over here in central europe that was pretty much standard for the somewhat upper class family before the times of the industrial revolution. There's actually a saying where I live, that "the family's etsate gets the first son and the church gets the second" while the third/fourth would then become state officials, teachers or such. So it was pretty much normal to become a priest just because you happened to be the second born. The same is true for nuns, where many had to join because the family couldn't afford to marry them or because the families hoped they'd get some kind of education and a better life.

Anyways, the game is amazing so far and i trust the devs and their choices they´ll make for this game. I don´t expect something absolutely tasteless like the cross in the Nuns room in SummertimeSaga... (if you know what i mean)

It's actually funny that you mentioned it. The dev of SS said that "boner jesus" is still the one thing people complained the most about personally via mail or messages. Fucking your mom, sister, aunt, teachers, a trans-girl, the mother of your best with together with your friend, the wife/daughter of the former president, cows, fish, etc. doesn't seem to be an issue, but as soon as jesus has got a dick, people are up in arms. It's strangely interesting that there's even an overlap in audiences, because one would think that people who actually take their religion serious woulnd't touch these games in the first place.

But yeah, it's certainly true that WaL! features less easter eggs and memes, which kinda makes sense given the setting.

 

[reees754]

The dev of SS said that "boner jesus" is still the one thing people complained the most about personally via mail or messages.

Well, SummertimeSaga has some absolutely hillarious scenes that had me on the floor, a lot of them on WaL level. So the dev has definitely a good sense of humor - but that one depiction doesn´t fit at all.....because it´s not remotely funny..... it´s like that one lame kid in class making a crude tasteless joke and trying hard to be funny. But the only thing he gets is people rolling their eyes. :-/ I had the same reaction when i saw that scene.

Yeah, people do in porn games stuff they never would do in real-life, not even remotely even given the opportunity, it´s just fantasy fun not to be taken serious at all. But if somebody doesn´t get the difference between these things and that problematic-depiction then i won´t even try to explain it to them, if they don´t get something as simple as that (or they´re playing dumb).

And nope, even people that don´t take their religion too serious (and are not angels, mormons or mother theresas) have a problem with that kind of depiction. It´s like when your relationship with your parents are not the best, you might not do what they like and whatever, but still they are your parents and when someone tries to make a mockery out of them, you step up, they are still family.

It should be an unwritten rule, that is followed by everybody that any Realworld-Religion shouldn´t be made part of a porn-game,. I like dark humor too but there are lines that shouldn´t be crossed.
It´s like having Sex......while it´s natural and normal, you wouldn´t do it infront of your parents.....Some things just shouldn´t be mixed and matched....

NEVER.

 

[j4yj4m]

Well, SummertimeSaga has some absolutely hillarious scenes that had me on the floor, a lot of them on WaL level. So the dev has definitely a good sense of humor - but that one depiction doesn´t fit at all.....because it´s not remotely funny..... it´s like that one lame kid in class making a crude tasteless joke and trying hard to be funny. But the only thing he gets is people rolling their eyes. :-/ I had the same reaction when i saw that scene.

Yeah, people do in porn games stuff they never would do in real-life, not even remotely even given the opportunity (i once declined a one night stand with a MEGABABE - not exaggerating- because she was married), it´s just fantasy fun not to be taken serious at all. But if somebody doesn´t get the difference between these things and that problematic-depiction then i won´t even try to explain it to them, if they don´t get something as simple as that.

And nope, even people that don´t take their religion too serious (and are not angels, mormons or mother theresas) have a problem with that kind of depiction. It´s like when your relationship with your parents are not the best, you might not do what they like and whatever, but still they are your parents and when someone tries to make a mockery out of them, you step up, they are still family.

It should be an unwritten rule, that is followed by everybody that any Realworld-Religion shouldn´t be made part of a porn-game, there are lines that shouldn´t be crossed.
It´s like having Sex......while it´s natural and normal, you wouldn´t do it infront of your parents.....Some things just shouldn´t be mixed and matched....

NEVER.

I think we will have to agree to strongly, strongly disagree. First of all, just because you think it isn't funny doesn't mean that everybodies sees it that way. I liked it. It's an innocent joke and it's not like Angelica is using the statue as some kind of wall dildo, gives it a BJ or such.
As said, people can't have it both ways im my opinion. If someone can abstract stuff like incest, adultery, etc. because it's a game, fantasy and fun, he just can't just draw some arbitraty line and stop once religion is involved (in the most innocent way) and expect to be taken serious. As said, people who think like that should be honest to themselves and never touch these kind of games again. Either one is consistent or one isn't. But maybe it's indeed very typical for most religions to only be consistent when it suits a specific narrative, I don't know.

And no, it should indeed be obvious that everything and everyone can be joked about about. Religion really isn't anything special compared to let's say strong political believes and once you start to suppress opinions, you'll soon reach a point where you won't be able to depict anything because somebody will alwasy be offended.

But then again, that's not a topic for this forum.

PS: Just as a last point, if parents don't treat and raise their children well, they certainly deserve to be mocked. The respect of a child has to be earned, it's nothing that could and should ever be taken for granted. If someone has been a bad parent, their child certainly doesn't owe them anything.

 

[Ranma]

I think we will have to agree to strongly, strongly disagree. First of all, just because you think it isn't funny doesn't mean that everybodies sees it that way. I liked it. It's an innocent joke and it's not like Angelica is using the statue as some kind of wall dildo, gives it a BJ or such.
As said, people can't have it both ways im my opinion. If someone can abstract stuff like incest, adultery, etc. because it's a game, fantasy and fun, he just can't just draw some arbitraty line and stop once religion is involved (in the most innocent way) and expect to be taken serious. As said, people who think like that should be honest to themselves and never touch these kind of games again. Either one is consistent or one isn't. But maybe it's indeed very typical for most religions to only be consistent when it suits a specific narrative, I don't know.

And no, it should indeed be obvious that everything and everyone can be joked about about. Religion really isn't anything special compared to let's say strong political believes and once you start to suppress opinions, you'll soon reach a point where you won't be able to depict anything because somebody will alwasy be offended.

But then again, that's not a topic for this forum.

PS: Just as a last point, if parents don't treat and raise their children well, they certainly deserve to be mocked. The respect of a child has to be earned, it's nothing that could and should ever be taken for granted. If someone has been a bad parent, their child certainly doesn't owe them anything.

 

[reees754]

I think we will have to agree to strongly, strongly disagree

agree

 

[SuddenReal]

It´s like when your relationship with your parents are not the best, you might not do what they like and whatever, but still they are your parents and when someone tries to make a mockery out of them, you step up, they are still family.

Why would you if you don't get along? After all, blood runs thicker than water. That right there says that friends are more important than family, and that saying is so old people have forgotten its meaning.

 

[reees754]

After all, blood runs thicker than water. That right there says that friends are more important than family, and that saying is so old people have forgotten its meaning

Don´t know what you mean, because that saying states exactly the opposite of what you´ve written. ;-)

It´s like when your relationship with your parents are not the best, you might not do what they like

You and the other dude obviously missed in what context i wrote that and -WHAT- exactly i wrote. I simply meant that even if the "parent" is disappointed in you (rightfully so), you still wouldn´t like to see your "parent" mocked.

But whatever, the discussion is going nowhere really, so i guess we´ll leave it at that...