Omnikuken

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I agree largely with what you are saying. But one thing I've noticed is the people who blindly defend on here are just as bad as the people who just complain for no reason. I think it's a valid concern to wonder why this update took so much longer than the previous ones for more or less the same amount of content.
They added over 1GB of stuff, it's not the "same amount of content"
why is it everytime i see you commenting you act like a internet Karen and take offence to everything? bet youll report my post like last time when i said you are a SJW...you continue to prove me right
Yep, because no1 else can report your nonsense and/or the mods can't come in here and delete stuff either. Delusional much. Also nice circlejerking between the 2 of you upvoting each other. PS : you made this alt 3 days ago and already got your stuff nuked, shows how much garbage you post
 

moskyx

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I agree largely with what you are saying. But one thing I've noticed is the people who blindly defend on here are just as bad as the people who just complain for no reason. I think it's a valid concern to wonder why this update took so much longer than the previous ones for more or less the same amount of content.
They got COVID around Christmas, Chestnut had to undergo a minor surgery, they had to entirely redo a couple of scenes (or one scene a couple of times, I can't remember exactly), plus this was the first time they designed a threesome and wanted to get it right. Everything was openly explained to their supporters on their weekly reports, some of them got leaked here (the guy who used to post all of them had to unsubscribe). And this update doesn't have more or less the same amount of content, it has objectively more content than the previous one.

This is art, not an industrial assembly line. There are some key concepts here: communication, trust, and results. And I'd say there are a whole bunch of people who don't find any reason to be 'concerned'
 

johndoe19

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I've not seen "people blindly defend".
People come in and voice an opinion - "this game's shit, this dev's a crook/milker", etc.
Those types generally just get facts presented that disprove their opinions. They also get mocked, rightly so.

The people that criticise, "I think this game is shit, because.." will have their justification examined.
If their justification is sound, or is a matter of personal taste, no-one can dispute it.
If their justification is contrary to known and established facts, then it gets rightly disputed.

The people that constructively criticise, "I think this game is shit because, here's what I think would make it better..." are also subject to the same justification check, but these are more likely to spark productive conversation.

As for it being "a valid concern", it would take 30 seconds to search for the information which either corroborates, or invalidates that concern.
People are quite capable of finding the information, for themselves, to make an informed opinion.
They chose not to, then complained about something which had already been explained & justified.
Okay now i don't agree with you at all lmao, you have your own opinion on the matter and that's fine. I'll just leave it at that
 

whichone

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Okay now i don't agree with you at all lmao, you have your own opinion on the matter and that's fine. I'll just leave it at that
The part I do have some agreement with, is where you said the defenders are just as bad.
In a way, some are.

One person posts an ignorant opinion.
Five people reply to point out the stupidity.
It didn't deserve a single reply.
 
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They got COVID around Christmas, Chestnut had to undergo a minor surgery, they had to entirely redo a couple of scenes (or one scene a couple of times, I can't remember exactly), plus this was the first time they designed a threesome and wanted to get it right. Everything was openly explained to their supporters on their weekly reports, some of them got leaked here (the guy who used to post all of them had to unsubscribe). And this update doesn't have more or less the same amount of content, it has objectively more content than the previous one.

This is art, not an industrial assembly line. There are some key concepts here: communication, trust, and results. And I'd say there are a whole bunch of people who don't find any reason to be 'concerned'
Yeah, people are acting like the devs are ICSTOR because one update took a long time. Saying the devs are scammers due to this a just a huge stretch. Now I understand if you didn't enjoy the update everyone's entitled to their own opinion I liked this update though I ended up being more interested in the demon plot than the villager shenanigans. The game is not perfect but it's good. If you guys didn't enjoy the update maybe leave constructive suggestions in the thread even if you're not patrons there are patron supporters on the thread and at the end of the day, we all want the game to be the best it can be.
 

johndoe19

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They got COVID around Christmas, Chestnut had to undergo a minor surgery, they had to entirely redo a couple of scenes (or one scene a couple of times, I can't remember exactly), plus this was the first time they designed a threesome and wanted to get it right. Everything was openly explained to their supporters on their weekly reports, some of them got leaked here (the guy who used to post all of them had to unsubscribe). And this update doesn't have more or less the same amount of content, it has objectively more content than the previous one.

This is art, not an industrial assembly line. There are some key concepts here: communication, trust, and results. And I'd say there are a whole bunch of people who don't find any reason to be 'concerned'
You clearly don't know what objectively means, cause this update had around the same amount of content as previous ones, maybe a little more. But not enough to justify almost a whole year of development time. Those first two reasons are dumb asf too. Covid would have slowed down development for a couple of weeks at most, same for a minor surgery.
 

whichone

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Covid would have slowed down development for a couple of weeks a most, same for a minor surgery.
That's rather ignorant of the facts.
Covid comes in different forms, which have different degrees of impact, on different people, for different lengths of time.
Never heard of "Long COVID"?
You clearly don't know what objectively means, cause this update had around the same amount of content as previous ones, maybe a little more.
No. It had more. Objectively. More images, more data, more size, more work. More.
 
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Okay now i don't agree with you at all lmao, you have your own opinion on the matter and that's fine. I'll just leave it at that
I'll say that I have seen some users defend devs to the very end even if they're arguing against logical statements for example ISCTOR. However, that just doesn't seem to be the case here time will tell but for now, I say it's too soon to just throw around the term scammer. Also this update did have more content you can check the changelog so you don't have to guess how much was added or not.
 

DirtyMario

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[...] Those first two reasons are dumb asf too. Covid would have slowed down development for a couple of weeks at most, same for a minor surgery.
This is moving close to a line we shouldn't cross to be honest. You don't know shit about any health problems they have, neither do I. Difference is I don't act like I do.
 

moskyx

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You clearly don't know what objectively means, cause this update had around the same amount of content as previous ones, maybe a little more. But not enough to justify almost a whole year of development time. Those first two reasons are dumb asf too. Covid would have slowed down development for a couple of weeks a most, same for a minor surgery.
Well, you have just added an extra month of slow development. They started to work on this update on October 3, the real development cycle didn't reach the 10 months mark. It could've been 9 without those issues, would you be claiming the same?

I mean, one guy said today that he feel the characters were dumbed down just for the sake of dragging out the scenes. That's an honest and perfectly valid opinion, no one argued with him. But watching the content numbers and the quality of the art, and knowing the development process at detail thanks to the constant info they give about it, helps to defuse all that claims of devs not working fast enough. Plus all the monthly refunds, plus the extra on-demand refunds from June, that helps to defuse the 'milking' accusations. Those are some objective facts you choose to ignore or simply don't believe, or think they are not valid enough. But I'll keep bringing them up every time someone makes that 'accusation', and let bystanders decide. I know I won't convince anyone I'm replying to.
 

j4yj4m

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This is moving close to a line we shouldn't cross to be honest. You don't know shit about any health problems they have, neither do I. Difference is I don't act like I do.
It actually goes beyond that. Especially when it comes to drawing and to being creative, there'll just come phases where you'll be less productive and where you'll long for something else/new to work on - yet you can't, because you are working on that one game. Especially once we are talking about large multiyear projects, it's important to balance the workload to keep the motivation up.

Just because somebody is earning a decent amount of money, doesn't mean that he or she suddently becomes a robot. After all we aren't talking about 3D renders where you "just do a few clicks" (I'm intentionally simplifying, of course) and everything will look good and up to the standard regardless.
 

FlamesOfVengeance

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It's nice that after Rose (one of my favourite girls) we immediately get another favourite of mine: Gomira. Really looking forward to what the green beauty's got to offer. After that we only need Madeline and Gretta to complete the questlines of my current favourite girls. I can't help but think tho that it would have been awesome if character focused updates and story focused updates would have taken turns so that 0.7 would continue the story again. I know that the patrons choose what's next but I feel like a nice alternation would have been cool.

PS: It's gonna be absolute torture to wait for 0.7 again lol I guess we'll all come together next february or march I would guess to see what Gomira is all about.
 

whichone

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It's nice that after Rose (one of my favourite girls) we immediately get another favourite of mine: Gomira. Really looking forward to what the green beauty's got to offer. After that we only need Madeline and Gretta to complete the questlines of my current favourite girls. I can't help but think tho that it would have been awesome if character focused updates and story focused updates would have taken turns so that 0.7 would continue the story again. I know that the patrons choose what's next but I feel like a nice alternation would have been cool.

PS: It's gonna be absolute torture to wait for 0.7 again lol I guess we'll all come together next february or march I would guess to see what Gomira is all about.
Wow!! An ON-Topic post???? :LOL::ROFLMAO:
Thank you, sir. (y)
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It's nice that after Rose (one of my favourite girls) we immediately get another favourite of mine: Gomira. Really looking forward to what the green beauty's got to offer. After that we only need Madeline and Gretta to complete the questlines of my current favourite girls. I can't help but think tho that it would have been awesome if character focused updates and story focused updates would have taken turns so that 0.7 would continue the story again. I know that the patrons choose what's next but I feel like a nice alternation would have been cool.

PS: It's gonna be absolute torture to wait for 0.7 again lol I guess we'll all come together next february or march I would guess to see what Gomira is all about.
Yeah Gomira and Lady Goldenbush are the two I've been looking forward to the most.
 

Lewyn Collins

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Guys, I understand that most of you could be disappointed with the update, but hear me out. Do you know how many people are working on this game? 2. Yes, 2 people, a husband and a wife. They are doing everything that would normally be done by a team of 6-7 people BY THEMSELVES. Be nice to them, they're doing their best and most likely have their own life with real life jobs because they do not make enough of a living with this game. If you are bored of waiting for updates, as a recommendation: forget about this game for a long while. There are plenty games on Internet, come back in 4 or 5 years so you can enjoy a bigger game with lots of game hours from scrath.
 

moskyx

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Guys, I understand that most of you could be disappointed with the update, but hear me out. Do you know how many people are working on this game? 2. Yes, 2 people, a husband and a wife. They are doing everything that would normally be done by a team of 6-7 people BY THEMSELVES. Be nice to them, they're doing their best and most likely have their own life with real life jobs because they do not make enough of a living with this game. If you are bored of waiting for updates, as a recommendation: forget about this game for a long while. There are plenty games on Internet, come back in 4 or 5 years so you can enjoy a bigger game with lots of game hours from scrath.
This is their only job and they are earning a nice monthly wage from it, that's what all this fuss is about.
 
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