jahall

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Mostly my bad, I took more out of your comment than it seems you actually meant, so my fault.


Honestly, my only question is why the payment services even care.
Like, I understood when some Image sharing websites had to remove certain content, I completely get that.
Why does a payment service give a damn about incest though?
Presumably they're worried about the bad publicity they might get in the media if they didn't put any restrictions on such content, in some countries perhaps even leading to governments or law enforcement agencies taking action against them.
 

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How often is this game updated?

Also I have to say. A big shout out to you guys TheDevian, This is one of the few games that is actually balanced with a good story and humor to drive it. So don't bother with what the others say, as most of us here are enjoying the free uploads.

You guys are doing an amazing job, so keep up the good work. Some people just like to have a stick up their butts and complain about stupid things, like some modern feminists.
 

Omnikuken

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How often is this game updated?

Also I have to say. A big shout out to you guys TheDevian, This is one of the few games that is actually balanced with a good story and humor to drive it. So don't bother with what the others say, as most of us here are enjoying the free uploads.

You guys are doing an amazing job, so keep up the good work. Some people just like to have a stick up their butts and complain about stupid things, like some modern feminists.
Check the OP, 1st line is the last time the game was updated ..............
 

TheDevian

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How often is this game updated?

Also I have to say. A big shout out to you guys TheDevian, This is one of the few games that is actually balanced with a good story and humor to drive it. So don't bother with what the others say, as most of us here are enjoying the free uploads.

You guys are doing an amazing job, so keep up the good work. Some people just like to have a stick up their butts and complain about stupid things.
Thanks, though I am not on this team, I just used to help them occasionally (like making the spoon they used in the cafeteria).

They are big updates, so they are not fast, and this was a particularly bad year for many of us.
 

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Sorry I know his face, but I have never seen that romcom. Probably wasn't popular outside the states.
Before Newhart (where he plays an innkeeper in Vermont), Bob Newhart had another show, The Bob Newhart Show (where he played a dentist). At the end of Newhart, he wakes up to find himself in bed with his wife from the earlier show and he wants to tell her about this strange dream he just has.

Of course, he "wakes from the dream" by getting hit on the head with a ball and collapsing. Which is actually the dream?
 
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Hey, if it worked for Bob Newhart in 1990....
For him, it worked because he was doing two things, one, he was making fun of another show that did it at the time, Dallas, and he as doing a callback to he previous show by a similar name. Newheart vs. The Bob Newheart Show. It's hard to pull that off well in another situation. :p
 
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Before Newhart (where he plays an innkeeper in Vermont), Bob Newhart had another show, The Bob Newhart Show (where he played a dentist). At the end of Newhart, he wakes up to find himself in bed with his wife from the earlier show and he wants to tell her about this strange dream he just has.

Of course, he "wakes from the dream" by getting hit on the head with a ball and collapsing. Which is actually the dream?
Edit again: Thank you, interesting idea his wife came up with.
 
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Before Newhart (where he plays an innkeeper in Vermont), Bob Newhart had another show, The Bob Newhart Show (where he played a dentist). At the end of Newhart, he wakes up to find himself in bed with his wife from the earlier show and he wants to tell her about this strange dream he just has.
He was a psychiatrist in Chicago, part of the jokes were how messed up his patients were, and he shared an office space/receptionist with Jerry the dentist.

I remember the end of the Newhart InnKeeper series and it was inventive. Also pretty on brand for Newhart's dry humor.
 
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OmegaZero21

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And Patreon and the powers that be are starting to recognize some of the workarounds. For a long time, the patches were officially not created by the developer but by some "Evil Modder." Some developers have gotten heat from Patreon even though the product on Patreon does not have the patch. Some developers have been forced to close their Patreon accounts and move to SubscribeStar (which doesn't use PayPal).

Supporting developers in telling the stories they want to tell is one reason much of my support is on SubscribeStar, not Patreon. All things being equal, I will chose a developer's SS account over their Patreon one.

On the other side, if the developer does not want a certain kink in the game, people insisting it be added is a problem.

I'm not a big fan of the "Incest Everywhere" agenda because I feel that some stories do not call for it. Even though I play and support some of the "incest patched" games (in those cases where it is obviously part of the intended story), the stories I'm working on will have lots of kinks, but incest will not be one of them. A major reason is that

  1. There are plenty of incest games (like I said, I play some of them),
  2. I honestly see the prevalence incest and step-incest in the adult industry is a way to cut corners in story-telling, and
  3. I'm going to use other dramatic elements to create drama and tension. Some of the stories elements will be inspired by my own actual experience with the Kink community. I'm part of the Kink and polyamory communities. I'm not part of the "incest community," so I have no experience to tap into. Adding incest elements would distract from the path of the stories. Also, I was abused by an uncle when I was 5-6 and my housemate/collaborator suffered even greater sexual abuse from family members (as a lifestyle Domme, she refused to do age-play), so we're not going there in our stories.

As such, people trying to insert incest into one of my stories will be perceived as a problem.
See this actually does create an issue as some patches aren't even created by the developers and are actually someone else's work as such they have no control over where these patches are hosted so they literally have no way to stop them. And while the crackdown on content did start in 2017 the problem comes from the fact that it wasn't until recent years that they've started really getting serious about it.
 

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See this actually does create an issue as some patches aren't even created by the developers and are actually someone else's work as such they have no control over where these patches are hosted so they literally have no way to stop them. And while the crackdown on content did start in 2017 the problem comes from the fact that it wasn't until recent years that they've started really getting serious about it.
3rd party patches won't nuke a dev's page, but going "no wincest here but there's some hidden file somewhere on the interwebz that could do random stuff wink wink" could.
 

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See this actually does create an issue as some patches aren't even created by the developers and are actually someone else's work as such they have no control over where these patches are hosted so they literally have no way to stop them. And while the crackdown on content did start in 2017 the problem comes from the fact that it wasn't until recent years that they've started really getting serious about it.
I think you got it backwards. The first wave of hammerings back in 2017-2019 was indeed the most lethal for many games, especially those that didn't try to comply with Patreon's guidelines and suggestions after being warned. From then on, rules have been more or less clear for everyone interested in circumventing them and very few games have had any actual problem: if the 'illegal' patch can not be traced back to you, and you as a creator don't advertise that forbidden content elsewhere, you're fine and dandy. Of course, if you are either stupid or stubborn enough to fight Patreon instead, you're doomed. So in the end, it all comes down to devs claiming that the patch was made by some totally unrelated third party and that they are not breaking Patreon's rules elsewhere (like openly offering the forbidden content in Subscribestar or something like that). But I'd say that most of those incest patches are actually created (or at least requested) by devs themselves: what happens is that the smartest ones know how to distribute them without being called out for it. And, in those cases, Patreon won't do shit.
 

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He was a psychiatrist in Chicago, part of the jokes were how messed up his patients were, and he shared an office space/receptionist with Jerry the dentist.
You're right! I had totally conflated things over the decades since I'd last seen the show. Thank you. Psychiatrist is a much more appropriate profession for a Bob Newhart character. I can now see some of the group therapy sessions in my head.
I remember the end of the Newhart InnKeeper series and it was inventive. Also pretty on brand for Newhart's dry humor.
I still remember his phone calls with historical figures. Sir Walter Raleigh was the one I think of most.

Sort of like the conceptual grandfather of the guy who does "pitch meeting" videos.
3rd party patches won't nuke a dev's page, but going "no wincest here but there's some hidden file somewhere on the interwebz that could do random stuff wink wink" could.
Wincest? OK. I need to have a cameo appearance by Dean and Sam Winchester making out in my next contemporary game.
 
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One of these days, I need to have a cameo appearance by Dean and Sam Winchester making out in one of my contemporary games.
I think the fandom would be more Dean and Castiel or Dean and Crowley. Why does it feel like Dean got all the action and Sam got none yet Sam is the one who ended up with a kid.
 

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Presumably they're worried about the bad publicity they might get in the media if they didn't put any restrictions on such content, in some countries perhaps even leading to governments or law enforcement agencies taking action against them.
And probably worried about what one extreme of the political landscape might do to stir up their base. They are sexualizing (and by extension, demonizing) everything they don't like. I shudder to think how some of them will view the more extreme content discussed here.

It's one reason it's all about step-incest on the porn hosting sites, and some, like Team Skeet, delete audio mentions of family relations or school (while leaving descriptions intact--go figure).

On the phone:
"..................... got back from ........ and collapsed on his bed. I brought in his laundry and noticed he's really hung. I know I'm ..................... but I can't help but wonder."
 

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And probably worried about what one extreme of the political landscape might do to stir up their base. They are sexualizing (and by extension, demonizing) everything they don't like. I shudder to think how some of them will view the more extreme content discussed here.

It's one reason it's all about step-incest on the porn hosting sites, and some, like Team Skeet, delete audio mentions of family relations or school (while leaving descriptions intact--go figure).

On the phone:
Reminds me of the older Japanese VNs, where there would always be a younger looking "18 year old", who skipped a few grades, and has an older brother who is 17... or something.
 
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