I agree with you that Patreon truly helps developing ideas and infant projects and I am appreciative towards them because of that - with several reserves, or course.
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Finding games is so hard precicely because the market is flooded with shitty scams and abandoned projects.
And regarding the price tag, I have a counter argument. How many hundreds of dollars have you spent on it via patreon? I think much more than mere 40 bucks.
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I take it that you are serious about that question, so I will answer seriously:
Last 36 months I spent about 150 to 180€ for Patreon. Thats for more than a dozen games.
Means thats about 10€ average.
Difference is: I support what I know. And what I like, coz I played it. And I stop when I start to like it less.
Games I pay full price in one sum ... money is gone.
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Since I have very little money for living, my more valuable support is to help devs developing: beta-testing, proof-reading, suggestions for future updates ... many things ... That might be more help than 1 or 5€ per month.
And I love to contribute with help to games I love, having some influence on the direction of development.
Cannot do that much, when I buy a finished product !
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- Jun 17, 2019
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No, for sure there are some scammers out there. However, I did say that amateur, hopeless devs outnumber both scammers and proper devs. You, on the other hand, said that there are far more scammers than proper developers - and I honestly doubt it, since scammers wouldn't aim at getting $100 at most if they are lucky -they'd need to be extra lucky AND offer a really nice game to get more money. A low-effort game won't give them even 10 bucks, so I think this 'scam model' is just not worth it.
Re: bonus question; no, I never said that. We are on a pirate forum for a reason, and that reason is to try those games for free before spending a single dollar on them -either because it's a convenient download bay or because we just don't feel comfortable paying a dime for unfinished projects. Since we can never know for sure if the dev of a certain game is a scammer or not, one of the possible solutions when we find a good game here (or a good prospect of one) is to wait a bit, maybe two or three updates, and see if the dev is in this for real or nah, checking how often and how clear they communicate with their fans, seeing if it seems to be a properly designed game plan or if that awesome v0.01 was only a result of a bright idea with nothing else to back it - or even a try at scamming. Then analyze all of that and make your funding choice (and, as always, stop pledging the very exact moment you start to get second thoughts, there's no point in dragging it on). And a different solution would be to just accept that this dev may be a scammer anyway but, if you liked the game enough, wasting 5 bucks on it won't hurt you that much even if there's never a v0.02 after that. It's all about different mindsets.
F95 has a rule if there's no update for 18 months it gets flagged abandoned. This has been reiterated several times now, once MNuts pushes the next update, the first in almost 2 years mind you, it will update.
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No I totally get you and 100% agree but the onus is on the supporter to know they're being dicked. The issue being there will be people who have bought into it so much they can't imagine it coming to nothing. Pretty much why Summertime Saga is ridden with simps who seem to think any delay or ordained by the almighty.
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Congrats that you (obviously) still survive, while money means nothing to you
I don't think he meant that money means nothing. They matters greatly, to anyone, but I do believe that one should look at the completion of his/her project before trying to make a living out of it.Congrats that you (obviously) still survive, while money means nothing to you
Personally I look at the update page and decide to download depending on the tags, summary and screenshots. I download maybe 1 or 2 a day? There's a lot of things that simply don't interest me, like rpgm or basically any japanese game
.I don't really use search/keywords unless it's for a specific game I already know. Tags combined with sorting by rating/views/likes is great to find games that interest me. Last but not least if you have a specific fetish/interest, you can simply use the search bar on the top right, there are usually threads of people asking questions like "Games with X fetish" or "Games like this other game". Usually people recommend some less known but decent games there.
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I personally still stand with them, regardless of how long they take between updates. Their content (say it artwork, character expressions, map, ui, music, dialogues or story) everything has been perfect so far. And I pray for it to remain so. Good things take time & I'm always ready to wait for longer. The quality found in this game can never be compared to any 2 sec fap games out there so please try to be patient.
"Rushing a game is one way ticket. And almost always, leaves up nothing but regrets"...
"Rushing a game is one way ticket. And almost always, leaves up nothing but regrets"...
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Actions speak louder than words. Just because I tell people I'm going to the gym, doesn't mean I'm not on my couch eating Doritos most nights.
On the subject of scammy devs, I think a note should be made of Patreon.
Like gym membership for a couch potato, Patreon suscription prosper on the hope that you will suscribe to a very small contribution per month and mostly forget about it. At any point, the act of canceling your subscription is more a hassle than loosing a few buck every month. You forget, you go on, you falsy rationalize than you COULD have usage of the suscription again. Most ONG don't take punctual donation anymore, they rather ask you for a small montly automated donation.
Some people are meticulous and accountable enough to look at their ledger often and terminate any no longer wanted suscription. Most people aren't.
Call it scammy, call it behavioral scheme, that's how Patreon is doing business. Are the devs accomplice of such business ? Are we willingly allowing that ? Well, it's the easiest way around. And we like easy.
Like gym membership for a couch potato, Patreon suscription prosper on the hope that you will suscribe to a very small contribution per month and mostly forget about it. At any point, the act of canceling your subscription is more a hassle than loosing a few buck every month. You forget, you go on, you falsy rationalize than you COULD have usage of the suscription again. Most ONG don't take punctual donation anymore, they rather ask you for a small montly automated donation.
Some people are meticulous and accountable enough to look at their ledger often and terminate any no longer wanted suscription. Most people aren't.
Call it scammy, call it behavioral scheme, that's how Patreon is doing business. Are the devs accomplice of such business ? Are we willingly allowing that ? Well, it's the easiest way around. And we like easy.
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Oh yes, this thingy with "gym membership" (24 months in advance to save money!), I know quite well.
I signed a contract that I cannot get my money back, even when I die. Gym was 50 km away, was driving for 6 months.
When ppl are free to leave (like Patreon) and are too lazy for that, thats there own personal thing, their responsibility and their punishment.
That's the beauty about modern chains. The one we wear, we pretend to choose. The one others adorn, we judge them weak.
Anyway, its wasn't a philosophical but economical point. This is the business model of Patreon, it's a fact, it's documented, it's well studied, it's behavioral economics theory by Kahneman. It's everywhere in every field of our daily life. We can't avoid it but we can be wary of it. Don't dismiss it because it's simple or obvious. It's brilliant BECAUSE it's simple and obvious.
Anyway, its wasn't a philosophical but economical point. This is the business model of Patreon, it's a fact, it's documented, it's well studied, it's behavioral economics theory by Kahneman. It's everywhere in every field of our daily life. We can't avoid it but we can be wary of it. Don't dismiss it because it's simple or obvious. It's brilliant BECAUSE it's simple and obvious.
- Jun 19, 2017
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Honestly, it's not that bad. Patrons get a monthly detailed reciept via mail and everybody who isn't living behind the moon should get a notification on his/her phone/tablet, once the credit card/paypal is billed. That's like 2 to 3 notifactions each months (3 in my case, not counting the notifications you get, once the people you are subscribing to post something) and it literally takes 5 seconds to cancel a pledge.
So it's not like in other cases, where you could actually forget your subscription and where it's a real hassle to cancel. You really have to be hyper ignorant AND very, very lazy to forget your pledge for several months.
Developers are smart asf, working 1 hour per week while getting paid 7k+ per month. What a legend!
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Still kicking myself that I never learned to draw, I know a bunch of programming languages but can't draw to save my life. I could be making a lot more than I do now and only work a few days a month if I was a patreon porn dev...
Thats why I am trying to learn to code. There are too many suckers to dry