Kisama33

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Oh ok, but still, almost 2 years since the last update is kind of crazy. Is the dev doing some sort of remake/rework or is he just working on new content?
Well people have a lot of theories, milking, scam, irl issues relative to devs health and the new born child to take care of (these ones may or not be real), development hell, excessive perfectionism or simple because the devs keep telling that this new update will be the biggest one yet, it can also be a mix of some or even all of them right now I really don't think that people can do anything other than wait and see.
 
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updating an arbitrary number means fuck all and that's what those "updates" usually consist of, also the last update that actually introduced new content was released 22 months ago.
Some updates are just 15 seconds extra every month, recalling some 'guilty pleasure' of mine. This is a new chapter.

Still looking forward to the next installment, and I would actually prefer to that new chapter in 2 parts. But then if they think something doesn't fit, they have to go back change it, and we get the usually group of people complaining about their save games again...

Can't make everybody happy...
 
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Xupuzulla

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Its funny how progress bars and checklists are able to manipulate people so easily. I believe first popularized by "Summertime Saga" and "Milfy City" now an inescapable disease in this genre. Its an obvious ruse to make people see fake development to appease and milk them for all their worth. If and when the update comes its obvious the size wont excuse the time it took. And yet they still hope when the next progress tracker starts to get percent added.
Two months to fix bugs in a rempy game " :geek: But the progress is moving,what are you talking about :geek: ".
Is actually insane what is happening in here.
 

massifteetees

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why did the dev abandon it?
Their patreon seems to be doing well but it has been almost 2 years
You answered your own question lol. Why end the game or get anywhere closer to ending the story when you make so much every month? ;)Truthfully, we don't know if they actually abandoned it in the fullest sense. But after 2 years of dangling the carrots, those with common sense get the idea that they're stringing players along at this point.

Don't worry, it is not abandoned. It will be updated in 2-3 months from today. If it is not updated by then, well it wil be updated in 2-3 months after that. If not updated in 2024, it will be updated in 2-3 months in early 2025. If not by then, maybe 2-3 months after that, and so on. Name the time, whenever it is, the game will be updated 2-3 months after that time. Just ask our friendly thread PR guys and their shiny Progress Tracker! :love::love:
 

Sthr ▚ nix

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I dunno why. But not like many times before. I have even lost any interest to doing the reign of Polishmen later on.
 

user115637

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I just come into this thread every other week for the fun of it and study the social behavior of pay pigs.
Based. What your findings are, so far? Have you got enough material to publish an article about it? :D

How do you know who pays and who does not, in the first place?

What a shame, it all started so nicely with this game. It seems that the common strategy nowadays is to get people hooked subscribed and then to make them forget they subscribed - by real activity at first and then by a fake activity later, by promises. All in order to get an easy passive income from all these crowdfunding platforms.
 
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LB1990

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I honestly doesn't understand why you go on a website like f95zone if your goal is to spend money on some patreon, when you can actually pay for finished game almost everywhere, on steam or else. Patreon should be a form de compensation after you make ur work, not before. And that's why most people here got milked. The same story over and over again "oh this game is cool, i will support it... oh no the game is abandonned, but maybe if i keep supporting they will be back"

Some devs have their reason, be it because of IRL, sickness and stuff. Others just want the money. It's sad for the first category but Patreon shouldn't be allowed on this site, it's a bad system which bring bad people.That's my opinion.

Do whatever you want with ur money but don't complain if the game is abandonned, you tried and you lose ur bet. The game is still cool so you can at least enjoy the content until now.
 
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user115637

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Patreon should be a form de compensation after you make ur work, not before

it's a bad system which bring bad people
every single dev since then has had longer times between updates. every single one.
Good observations at the scale of a global patterns. Economical forces fueled by a basic human desires\emotions seems to be stronger than a rational\moralistic approach towards a supporters\product consumers. If only we could get some honest feedback from the devs. Maybe it's just a common tendency - that they just get lazy after they got some initial money flow from the first success. Or maybe most people inevitably get bored after a while, of the same routine actions during a long-running game development project.
 
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Xupuzulla

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milfy city proved you can milk for years. every single dev since then has had longer times between updates. every single one.
You are wrong,they are devs who work their ass off to release updates every month or every two months,always updating their social media.
Is the lazy ones,the scummy ones,the people who hate their game and their fans who take their sweet time releasing content and go hiding in their bunkers.
 
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massifteetees

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I honestly doesn't understand why you go on a website like f95zone if your goal is to spend money on some patreon, when you can actually pay for finished game almost everywhere, on steam or else. Patreon should be a form de compensation after you make ur work, not before. And that's why most people here got milked. The same story over and over again "oh this game is cool, i will support it... oh no the game is abandonned, but maybe if i keep supporting they will be back"

Some devs have their reason, be it because of IRL, sickness and stuff. Others just want the money. It's sad for the first category but Patreon shouldn't be allowed on this site, it's a bad system which bring bad people.That's my opinion.

Do whatever you want with ur money but don't complain if the game is abandonned, you tried and you lose ur bet. The game is still cool so you can at least enjoy the content until now.
You misunderstood the purpose of Patreon. It is not for people who want to pay for finished products. For that, you have sites like Steam. Patreon is a donation system. You support devs there not as a transaction ("I pay this value for a finished product based on what I perceive its worth"), but to support their passion ("I donate as long as I wish because I like the vision of this dev, their passion and their project").

On paper, Patreon is a good thing, especially for indie devs without budget, or hobbyist devs who have what we often call "passion projects" or "pet projects". Outside of NSFW games, Patreon helps Youtubers and content creators.

The problem is, it can easily be taken advantage of. Any devs who want quick bucks and get quick bucks and become popular, and won undying loyalty from gullible fans, can take advantage of this donation system.

Therefore, fuck these greedy devs, because there are other devs out there who are truly passionate and deserve our support.
 

massifteetees

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It seems that the common strategy nowadays is to get people hooked subscribed and then to make them forget they subscribed - by real activity at first and then by a fake activity later, by promises. All in order to get an easy passive income from all these crowdfunding platforms.
Preach. Shame on these devs. And idk whether to pity or laugh at their gullible patrons who enable their greedy milking.

lazy ones,the scummy ones,the people who hate their game and their fans who take their sweet time releasing content and go hiding in their bunkers
Exactly. We see good devs here and there, but they are overshadowed by the big and popular greedy ones that dominate the scene, ironically enough haven't updated anything for ages, or have lazy updates.
 

moskyx

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Good observations at the scale of a global patterns. Economical forces fueled by a basic human desires\emotions seems to be stronger than a rational\moralistic approach. If only we could get some honest feedback from the devs. Maybe it's just a common tendency - that they just get lazy after they got some initial money flow from the first success. Or maybe most people inevitably get bored after a while, of the same routine actions during a game project.
Maybe we are getting honest feedback from devs but some people just refuse to believe them
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user115637

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Maybe we are getting honest feedback from devs but some people just refuse to believe them
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Maybe. Hard to say in this world, hard to be sure of anything to a 100% degree, without being able to experience directly what the others feel. And there are many known cases of scum and liars in this world, which creates a rise to predispositions toward interpreting such cases as the current one in a negative light, in order to protect ourselves from the losses. We see only a peak of the iceberg in a form of a two following concurrent facts - 1) patreon payments continue to flow ; 2) updates keep getting delivered more rarely, until there aren't any at all. How to interpret these facts in a light of another facts - an open question for a discussion. And this is exactly what we do here in this thread right now. If you look at things in the light of how it's not a singular pattern with this particular game and that such pattern was observed with many other games throughout the years here... yeah, you got the idea.
 
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moskyx

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Maybe. Hard to say in this world, hard to be sure of anything 100% without being able to feel directly what the others feel and with a known cases of liars existing. We see only a peak of the iceberg in a form a facts that patreon payments continue to flow and updates getting more rare until they are absent. How to interpret these facts in a light of which other facts - an open question.
I can understand people not believing devs anymore. I have lost trust in other devs in the past, too. But not believing them doesn't mean they are lying. So when I reach my 'that's enough' point, I prefer to be cautious and silently walk away from those games, just in case I'm actually wrong with them. At most, I can point out my reasons once before leaving for good, but I never felt the need to keep around those parts just to stir the shit. I'm realizing that's an enormously enjoyable entertainment for many people, though.
 

moskyx

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What stress is he talking about?
Then just released it or tell people that is finished and be done with it. I dont understand what is so stressful in this situation.
You can not release what you haven't finished. You have some quality standards from 6 previous updates you want to meet, and you are not being able to do it as fast as you (and your followers) wished. So you keep working while feeling this internal pressure (I'm not good enough, I'm not fast enough) and also reading some discouraging messages from unhappy people calling you names. That's a stressful situation in my book.
 
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