DarkDesires

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Just wait for an update and stfu. Content should be made slowly.
Yeah I know "slowly". Though, if I wanna say the devs are great and make great stuff, as I always said, and get a ton of shit in replies as a return or if I want to laugh a bit saying, AS YOU SAY, it's SLOW... very slow, I can say it if I want to, it's not a lie. See? Calm down and enjoy the waiting as you want. I don't think I insulted anyone, don't bite, i'm not a cookie. ;)
 

KillerBee487

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Hi moskyx -

I haven't made a serious post in over a year, but your ongoing efforts to be a voice of reason made me want to suggest this to you: save your breath.


It's clear to me that the people that complain the most about this project don't understand what the concept of "patronage" really means, don't understand that patronage isn't transactional and aren't themselves contributing.


The idea that a very small project team can deliver updates like a weekly TV show is absurd, and all anyone has to do is compare these kinds of projects to "triple-A" games or even non-game software such as business software. I'm in the software business and the fact that people that have no financial investment in this little hobby project complain as if they were EA or Ubisoft is borderline delusional. Disney, Epic Games and George R.R. Martin miss targets by years, and yet "MagicNuts" are accused of being some kind of Machiavellian geniuses, ripping off people one dollar at a time. This is preposterous.


Look at my account - I contribute to a number of projects, I get a statement every month and, like almost everyone with a mobile phone, get alerts every time something is deducted from my bank accounts. Everyone can watch every penny coming into and out of their accounts so the idea that I'm being "ripping off a dollar at a time" is a logic fallacy. No, the real problem is:


Thirsty non-patrons are angry that they're not getting their free sex cartoons as quickly as they want them. There are posts in this thread, and other threads, where non-patrons blame people that support "slow" developers for screwing them out of content. "Ur payin dem to not do nuttin" is their cry and...

I. Don't. Care.

My patronage is a way of saying thanks for something that I enjoyed, or are currently enjoying and, unless the developer solicited patronage based on performance claims, I don't give a damn if and when another installment/chapter/whatever comes out.


I do not, and will not, provide support to developers as an incentive to release "more" content "faster" and, if I'm being completely honest, there are comments in some game threads (including this one) that make me want to pay them to NOT develop games.

So save your breath - they're not looking at these projects realistically, they don't give a rat's ass about the developer and there's nothing you or I can do to change that.
Man what a speech. I underline every single word fellow
 

DarkDesires

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Looks like a ton of ppl dislike the fact the update will be about the orcish girl but I find her sexy... I'm usualy not into monsters that much (except if against female npc opportunities) but I think she is fine... except that damn lesb common shitty haircut. I think she is hot. Do you ppl, mostly really dislike her that much? May change withe the future story though =) ... WHEN we get it...
 
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ohcmonrest

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More and more devs will want to become scam artists as long as they see other devs receiving thousands of dollars per month for doing absolutely zero work. Honestly, why wouldn't they? You'd be mad to actually do any work if you can just string simps along with a few screenshots and excuses every few months instead.
 

IvanGam

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Looks like a ton of ppl dislike the fact the update will be about the orcish girl but I find her sexy... I'm usualy not into monsters that much (except if against female npc opportunities) but I think she is fine... except that damn lesb common shitty haircut. I think she is hot. Do you ppl, mostly really dislike her that much? May change withe the future story though =) ... WHEN we get it...
Nah, I actually like her looks, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people do, otherwise she wouldn't win the poll. It's just as always with the online discourse, haters are really loud and can create the feeling of being a majority when they often are not. I don't even know what these guys are smoking, her design is basically human but with green skin, 2 fangs and pointy ears.

She's actually one of two girls I am somewhat excited for (other one being Simmone), because I have hopes I'll like their personality and sex scenes (so far the girls and porn in the game is rather boring for me personally).

PS: I don't even think these devs are scammers, I just think they're not good at their job. I still remember when the drunk elf update was coming and one day before release they wanted to delay the game to redo some stuff, because "some scenes/dialogue felt off" (doesn't look similar to the current update delay?) and their patreon subscribers/players on this forum (devs still were reading it at the time) had to convince them to just release the update without reworks. So to me it just looks like an unfortunate combo of perfectionist devs who are probably lacking experience to build a productive workflow and don't really have a concrete plan/vision for the game, and now the game is stuck in "development hell". Though a good paycheck is probably not making it better because it might have made them content with how things are going.
 

DarkDesires

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Nah, I actually like her looks, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people do, otherwise she wouldn't win the poll. It's just as always with the online discourse, haters are really loud and can create the feeling of being a majority when they often are not. I don't even know what these guys are smoking, her design is basically human but with green skin, 2 fangs and pointy ears.

She's actually one of two girls I am somewhat excited for (other one being Simmone), because I have hopes I'll like their personality and sex scenes (so far the girls and porn in the game is rather boring for me personally).

PS: I don't even think these devs are scammers, I just think they're not good at their job. I still remember when the drunk elf update was coming and one day before release they wanted to delay the game to redo some stuff, because "some scenes/dialogue felt off" (doesn't look similar to the current update delay?) and their patreon subscribers/players on this forum (devs still were reading it at the time) had to convince them to just release the update without reworks. So to me it just looks like an unfortunate combo of perfectionist devs who are probably lacking experience to build a productive workflow and don't really have a concrete plan/vision for the game, and now the game is stuck in "development hell". Though a good paycheck is probably not making it better because it might have made them content with how things are going.
Thank you for the reply and feeling about the orc girl.

Thank you also about saying the devs are not that bad but perfectionnists (may be a quality as a default) maybe they are lacking exp as you say, they make good thing but slow as fuck. At least it's not a shit reply as usual by most of ppl here (who are not even banned, but me, with a single funny but not random comment: post deleted before a warning lol...) I hope we will enjoy the orcish girl. =) She has some kind of nice rack & bottom, we can crash without being afraid to have our head broken against hard bones.......
 
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DarkDesires

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If there's not a full 24 hours worth of content for Orc girl plus whatever other BS they added on top of her this update will be a fat L regardless.
2 years for less than an hours worth of content would be WILD.
English is not my language but I translated this by : "let's hope after 2 years we WILL (let's hope so) freakin fuck "BERZERK MODE" that green bitch from every possible holes". Was I right? (In french I'd say " elle va prendre cher" no clue how to translate this instead of she will take fucking hard without having her money back.. but it would be too nice) Let me know if I'm wrong... :unsure:
 
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DarkDesires

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Don't forget the part where this update is just a side-quest which doesn't move the main story forward at all.
What do you mean by side quest and main quest/story. orcish girl was part of a side quest but, except if you have news about the FUTUUU...UUURE update, nothing say orcish girl is not with main quest or give apart of it. (IMO personaly, i'd call an end when MC get back to the brothel and fuck all his "mummies" that should have be done long ago; this is my main quest, or I get back to my fav akabur games forever and ever even if some are unfinished or rushed).
 
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Knight

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What do you mean by side quest and main quest/story.
Go back through this thread and see the poll results.
I might be misremembering (it's been years after all) but there were patreon polls on what each update should focus on, 7.0 is orc girl, 8.0 is Holly, the poll for the the main story line (the brown girl with the gold hair powers) was labeled as "main story" in the polls and lost both times. In other-words neither this update or the next (assuming they even happen) will be part of the main story, or in other-words, they're side-quests.
 

DarkDesires

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Go back through this thread and see the poll results.
I might be misremembering (it's been years after all) but there were patreon polls on what each update should focus on, 7.0 is orc girl, 8.0 is Holly, the poll for the the main story line (the brown girl with the gold hair powers) was labeled as "main story" in the polls and lost both times. In other-words neither this update or the next (assuming they even happen) will be part of the main story, or in other-words, they're side-quests.
Ok but we are not playing the witcher either... "main" or "side" quest here are just fun fuck thing. Why so serious?
 

FreelancerFL

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English is not my language but I translated this by : "let's hope after 2 years we WILL (let's hope so) freakin fuck "BERZERK MODE" that green bitch from every possible holes". Was I right? (In french I'd say " elle va prendre cher" no clue how to translate this instead of she will take fucking hard without having her money back.. but it would be too nice) Let me know if I'm wrong... :unsure:

Oui oui hon hon, I hope that translated correctly.
You are correct
 
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irezawa

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DISCLAIMER: I'm not talking about this game specifically. I'm not talking about this user specifically. This admittedly incoherent ramble is to everyone who supports anything.

It's clear to me that the people that complain the most about this project don't understand what the concept of "patronage" really means, don't understand that patronage isn't transactional and aren't themselves contributing.
I myself understand perfectly the concept of patronage: You support someone financially so they can concentrate on being productive on a field of their choice. It's a marvelous concept. When you go to an art museum, everything you see exists solely because of patronage of some entity, private or public. Sponsorship in sports is essentially the same thing. Most scientific research is done with grants and backers. But I'm willing to make a claim that it has never come without expectations. Even if a piece of art or scientific breakthrough has taken years to finish, eventual results have been expected.

Patrons, sponsors and what ever you wish to call them, have always monitored their dependents. Maybe not always overly actively, but at least to some extent. Everyone who has received support in this form, has always known it's not unconditional and it stops if you stop. Until Patreon.

With sites like Patreon, you can become a patron without being wealthy enough to be able to support freeloaders. Quite often simply throwing in $1 a month is enough. Wonderful, right? Wrong. Well, not completely wrong at least on paper, but there are some massive flaws. When you subscribe to pay $1 a month, it's easy to shrug your shoulders if there hasn't been any progress this month. Or past three months. Or past two years. Heck, you might even forget the whole damn thing if you're supporting multiple projects. Who cares? It's a dollar. But when supporting someone takes a substantial amount of money, you care about what's being done with it.

It's kind of counterintuitive how with increasing amount of patrons your accountability actually decreases. If you have one patron who supports you for $1K a month, you're accountable for $1K. You have to show results worth $1K. If you have a thousand patrons who support you for $1 a month, you're getting the same amount of money but you're only accountable for $1. For a thousand people, but still just $1. You have to really let people down for them to say what you're doing isn't worth even $1 a month.

And this results into something you see in every ponzi scheme: Denial. You spent a dollar? Huh, who cares. Not you, you can afford it. But in a year that's $12. Still not much to most of the people with access to internet to read this ramble. But it's $12 for nothing. The more you spend on nothing, the stupider you look. And you can't look stupid. So whatever you're funding, it has to come through. If it does, you'll look awesome for trusting in it the whole time. If it doesn't, you'll look like an idiot. You're not an idiot. You can't look like an idiot. Therefore, this has to work. And you have to convince everyone it will work and everything is going wonderfully, otherwise they'd think you're an idiot. You're not an idiot! And that's how you get those angry defenders who lash out at everyone for not sharing their blind faith and/or denial; that cult-like mentality you see around failed projects.

Maybe you don't care if you get any results, but you should. The less people care about results, the less they'll get any. When you're ignoring what is being done with your money, you're enabling all the milking.

And hey, who am I to say what counts as results? Maybe you are indeed happy with what you see. In that case, do go on. If supporters of games like Summertime Saga are truly fine with funding a guy doodling in a stream every now and then, well alrighty then. Like I said, you have to really let people down for them to say it isn't worth even $1. But I highly suggest that every now and then you take a hard look at yourself and what you're supporting. It may not be easy to admit to yourself that you've been had, but it won't stop until you do so. Take Happy Summer for example: That dev is running an experiment on how low you can push the bar before people get mad at you. And it's going astonishingly well. Like, every SMH-meme you've ever seen well. As long as people refuse to admit they're getting nothing, they'll get nothing.

If you want to keep supporting projects without requiring results, you're of course free to do so. But by doing so you're doing a massive disservice to everyone who does expect results. And don't act surprised when those people call you an idiot.
 
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