What do you think about loli fetish? just a fetish or something else?

[Hegzblarg]

What do you think about loli? Just a genre or something else?

Only healthy debate, no pics or anything that break the Rule 7.

My opinion:

About real girls, I have to admit that I love adult petite girls using colorfull or kawai outfits and clothing cataloged as lolita style. Although It's something about their shape and body, anything else like childish personality or something like that is disgusting for me. And I'd like any other adult girl body type in those clothings as well, the outfit is the turn on fact for me. But due my low height I preffer small petite girls over tall ones.
Otherwise, there's something in my instinct that tells me if a girl is an adult or not even if she looks so young, and if that fails due her developed appeareance, if I know she is not an adult, I automatically stop being atracted, idk how to explain I think we all have this chip.

About fictional characters... It's the same more or less. I like some loli girls only if they are over 18 y/o and they don't have a very childish apeareance like a 8 years old girl or something like that. My borderline could be a petite flat girl with some childish attitude, but has to have a flat adult shape, but usually I preffer an 18 y/o looking girl with loli style.

For example, I find Oni Boku - Ogress Girl character disgusting, but the girl from Deep Sleep 2 is attractive to me because she could pass as an adult girl (maybe), she has more adult atributes. Another example about borderline characters is the Daily Lives of my Countryside girl. I preffer Milfs in this game, but even though her personality isn't adult although she's 18, her look is like an adult girl, thick hips and growth boobs, she barelly pass my tastes.

Another topic I like is straight shota, only because I find fun corrupting elder girls and the size fetish, but some underage character lookings are disgusting for me.


So getting back to the topic, I think, I may have some kind of fetish over loli style, but nothing else far the cute looking.

In conclussion, I belive it's a dangerous genre and there are some facts about it that can put you at risk. I don't really find how some guys get horny by extra small lolis with questionable looking, but due my tastes, I don't know if i could judge them. It's the weird part of fictional porn.

 

[rk-47]

I find it nasty, usually the loli stuff is descriptive as being underrage, usually very underrage. I get petite girls exist and are over 18 but that wouldnt be loli, it would just be "teen porn" (over 18 teen)
But alot of it is kinda dumb, like a loli underrage girl with giant melons which just isnt possible so does that classify as loli? Potentially, but thats like lying about your age, i usually steer clear from the "loli" tag on sites to be safe

 

[thatguy49]

I assume most of it's just influence from anime, occasionally it could signal to something deeper that isn't too comforting.

Personally I'm not into that content, thus I can't really say what attracts others to it. Admittedly, I do like some straight shota games, but the shota is more of a self-insert and the milf is where the actual gaze is.

 

[Beatrix Kiddo]

I'm fine with petite body type, but I don't like loli as in literal underage.

In any case I don't judge, I'm not one to kink shame. I know it can be a controversial topic, but I don't see how is it any more dangerous than any other extreme fetish. Like, is guro a dangerous genre? rape? snuff? Is violence in mainstream videogames still a topic?

Most people have a clear defined line between fantasy and real life. Not even in a moral sense, but literally what turns them on in their fantasies would disgust them in real life. Just look at incest, it's almost on every game and everyone seems to like it, but not in rl.

And that one individual in a million that likes it in rl will exist whether these types of content exists or not.

 

[Pitrik]

I like them in games or anime... They are cute and when they have tsundere behavior is much better nothing more than a simple like to their cuteness...

My anime waifu is a loli so...

 

[HandofVecna]

Just a fetish. Like playing any other video game its all fantasy. I play Madden or Call of Duty it doesn't mean I think I'm Tom Brady or that I want to shoot people in real life.

 

[NukaCola]

Do you mean actual underage loli girls or a girl that just look and act like loli? For example I like Marie Rose from Dead or Alive video games series and she is 18 year old in the game. But the character in your example Oni Boku Molesting Ogress Girl is just too young. I'm not disgust by it and I'm not judge people who like that kind of loli but its not for me.

 

[baneini]

Every heterosexual male is attracted to underage characters from visual representation alone, then some who have been socially brainwashed lie about only being attracted to 18+ characters because in america the social reputation ruining is hardcore.

Youth is nice and valuable for obvious reproductive reasons, if a creator isn't artificially restricted from depicting characters who display youth then they'll just include that since it's so commonly sought after. Where the visual depictions maximize arousal generally aren't preteen though, but in the range where they're still growing/developing but depict definite female features that indicate childbearing age.
These biologically adult depictions are categorized simply as loli, since it's convenient way to differentiate between the typical payment processor safe young adult woman vs younger girls.

Shota + older women has always been treated differently since there's the self-insert element and it's not related to gatekeeping the "disgusting" loli crowd out. It's always hypocritical.
The gatekeepers probably aren't fan of anime either. You can have commenters claim utmost repulsion for any depiction of girls in anime where the focus is on narrative, when those people exist it's not exactly surprising you have to deal with shitposting in porn as well. They suffer from negative emotions/american social programming and are certainly not concerned over your wellbeing, might as well ignore them as a rule. From political leaning standpoint the conservative right is extremely rigid about what you can do with children.

The "fetish" elements are derived from normal desires and then refined to be specific rather than just "its loli, enjoy".

 

[Dicks McKenzie]

I'm a big fan of lollies - particularly Dip Dabs. Used to eat them all the time on the train home from work when I lived in London. Until my dentist told me my teeth looked like Hiroshima after the bomb dropped.

In regards to age-play stuff, I consider it pretty harmless honestly. It's not something I subscribe to (though I'd be lying if I said I've never seen any of it) but I understand why people would be into it.

I don't believe there's much of a risk to it. By which I mean that people who do enjoy loli/shota stuff (for either the physical traits or the age dynamic) aren't likely to pull a Drake Bell anytime soon. And the ones who would do something heinous in the real world probably would've done it regardless of that content existing.

In the same way I don't believe everyone is out there fucking their mothers and sisters despite the epidemic of incest stuff over the last decade. People are generally good at compartmentalising their brains and separating their fantasies from reality.

 

[moskis22]

I like lolis among a lot of other not very wholesome kinks, but in real life i can say even that i hate kids, i don't think there is a relation with that, at least in my case, my likes in games and real life are very far away
I can't explain it, maybe because hentai is a drawing and real life not, girls in hentai have a different type of cuteness (lets name it as kawaii, not pretty) than real life girls (they are pretty, not kawaii)
BTW yes, i mostly play hentai games, that's what i enjoy the most in videogames

 

[thatguy49]

Every heterosexual male is attracted to underage characters from visual representation alone, then some who have been socially brainwashed lie about only being attracted to 18+ characters because in america the social reputation ruining is hardcore.

Youth is nice and valuable for obvious reproductive reasons, if a creator isn't artificially restricted from depicting characters who display youth then they'll just include that since it's so commonly sought after. Where the visual depictions maximize arousal generally aren't preteen though, but in the range where they're still growing/developing but depict definite female features that indicate childbearing age.
These biologically adult depictions are categorized simply as loli, since it's convenient way to differentiate between the typical payment processor safe young adult woman vs younger girls.

Shota + older women has always been treated differently since there's the self-insert element and it's not related to gatekeeping the "disgusting" loli crowd out. It's always hypocritical.
The gatekeepers probably aren't fan of anime either. You can have commenters claim utmost repulsion for any depiction of girls in anime where the focus is on narrative, when those people exist it's not exactly surprising you have to deal with shitposting in porn as well. They suffer from negative emotions/american social programming and are certainly not concerned over your wellbeing, might as well ignore them as a rule. From political leaning standpoint the conservative right is extremely rigid about what you can do with children.

The "fetish" elements are derived from normal desires and then refined to be specific rather than just "its loli, enjoy".

I think it depends on how one characterizes "loli", obviously the typical schoolgirls in anime are deemed attractive by many(mostly weebs of course). Though I wouldn't consider them "loli", rather something like Oni Boku Molesting Ogress example would be a "proper loli" in my mind. Basically, Sagiri from Eromanga Sensei is a loli, but Miko Iino from Love is War is not.

I'll agree that the Shota+Milf element can be hypocritical, because the gaze is still on lust for the milf as opposed to the shota iself. Having said that, I think the self insert dynamic is also why it becomes more "acceptable", since an adult male gamer can't regress age in real life, thus self inserting into the shota that consents to the milf is obviously fantasy that is out of the bounds of reality. In contrast, the love focus on the loli can raise alarms because there are still indeed young girls out vulnerable to unsavory people who think the younger party is consenting.

Obviously I believe the vast majority of people into loli content in games are in it for the fantasy elements only, I'm simply suggesting why there are more raised eyebrows at such material.

 

[desmosome]

Moral grandstanding against loli/shota is fucking retarded. Everyone is free to like or dislike anything they want, but pointing fingers and raising pitchforks is wildly illogical since other illegal and abhorrent acts doesn't seem to bother them.

There are some caveats. Real porn of minors is obviously very very bad. Drawings of real children is very bad. Don't fucking do it. Depictions of fictional characters played by real people (child actors) is quite bad. There is some shaky ground to stand on, but just don't do it.

 

[Sapha]

Even if every person who liked Lolis were pedos, at least hentai or other stuff would give them an outlet that doesn't involve actual humans. So I'm all for it existing. Regardless of my own preferences.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Where the visual depictions maximize arousal generally aren't preteen though, but in the range where they're still growing/developing but depict definite female features that indicate childbearing age.

Have you ever seen an average 14yo girl, or younger, naked ? Alas I have, in a past life as side member of EHAP, and I can assure you that there's a difference between "[depicting] female features" and being a grown young woman. Their body, including the boobs, is in between the one of a child and the one of a woman, and there's nothing in them that can be qualified as "definitive female features".
In short, they looks nowhere near to what you can see in the majority of teenage loli content, that depict them as adult women where everything is just smaller. At some point, generally around 16yo, it's what they will be, but before that age you cannot really confuse them with a "young looking woman".

And it's what "underage" mean. It's not a question of effective age, because yes it happen that a heterosexual male find a 16yo girl attractive. But it's because she don't look, nor act (when he see her) like a child, what lead her to not be "underage", but to have an undetermined age that seem to be over 18.
All the difference is in this "seem to be" and, as I said above, in no way an average girl below 15yo "seem to be over 18". There's few, really few, that have this "chance", yet they effectively seem to be over 18 only after having past between the hands of a makeup artist and a hair stylist. And, would you see them in swimwear, that you wouldn't be fooled anymore.
Anyway, finding someone attractive doesn't imply that you are effectively attracted by this person. You recognize a fact, nothing more. My daughter, who's now 20yo, is attractive since she was 17yo, and I can assure you that I never been attracted by her.

Shota + older women has always been treated differently since there's the self-insert element and it's not related to gatekeeping the "disgusting" loli crowd out. It's always hypocritical.

No, they are treated differently because the physical difference is almost absent of the equation. Unlike for girls, a boy that have hit puberty few months ago will already physically looks like a 18+ man. That's why "shota" imply a boy before his puberty, or at most at the really early stage of it, while "loli" goes further and tend to include any girl below 18.

They suffer from negative emotions/american social programming and are certainly not concerned over your wellbeing, might as well ignore them as a rule. From political leaning standpoint the conservative right is extremely rigid about what you can do with children.

You say this a lot, but how is this related with the fact that globally speaking the world don't agree with loli content ?

Many countries in Europe have an age of consent below 18yo, some going down to 15yo, yet "loli" loving isn't something that would cross the mind of their citizens. And what about countries that, because of their culture, have a free sexuality, while still not agreeing with "loli" content. Even in Japan, where loli have a long tradition, there's more and more voices rising against it, while not necessarily wanting to raise the, really low, age of consent in the country.
I doubt that it's the fault of some US conservative right guys. Not because they don't have such influence outside of their country, but because "loli" was looked badly in those countries before they even exist.


This being said, lolicon is more a fetish than something else.
In some way, it can be seen as a variation of the Peter Pan Syndrome. Since your fantasies imply young girls, that would normally only react to the advances made by boys near their age, you aren't this old.
There's people for who it's more than a fantasy, but unless they are effectively attracted by prepubescent girls, loli content will not satisfy them, because, as I said above, their girls don't looks like they should.

 

[Asia Argento]

As long as you are taking your behavior offline and can distinguish reality from fantasy, who cares about the moralizing. They are drawings, react however to drawings.

 

[Hegzblarg]

I find it nasty, usually the loli stuff is descriptive as being underrage, usually very underrage. I get petite girls exist and are over 18 but that wouldnt be loli, it would just be "teen porn" (over 18 teen)
But alot of it is kinda dumb, like a loli underrage girl with giant melons which just isnt possible so does that classify as loli? Potentially, but thats like lying about your age, i usually steer clear from the "loli" tag on sites to be safe

Yeah, I think you're right about real girls, what I like is teens category, not the loli genre itself.

I agree with you about loli characters with huge boobs, is dumb when they look like an adult girl but in extra small presentation. Same with underage looking lolis with hundreds of years, I don't belive that cheap excuse.
As I said before, I like some "loli" games, but they have to look and act more like 18 years old teen.

 

[Hegzblarg]

Have you ever seen an average 14yo girl, or younger, naked ? Alas I have, in a past life as side member of EHAP, and I can assure you that there's a difference between "[depicting] female features" and being a grown young woman. Their body, including the boobs, is in between the one of a child and the one of a woman, and there's nothing in them that can be qualified as "definitive female features".
In short, they looks nowhere near to what you can see in the majority of teenage loli content, that depict them as adult women where everything is just smaller. At some point, generally around 16yo, it's what they will be, but before that age you cannot really confuse them with a "young looking woman".

And it's what "underage" mean. It's not a question of effective age, because yes it happen that a heterosexual male find a 16yo girl attractive. But it's because she don't look, nor act (when he see her) like a child, what lead her to not be "underage", but to have an undetermined age that seem to be over 18.
All the difference is in this "seem to be" and, as I said above, in no way an average girl below 15yo "seem to be over 18". There's few, really few, that have this "chance", yet they effectively seem to be over 18 only after having past between the hands of a makeup artist and a hair stylist. And, would you see them in swimwear, that you wouldn't be fooled anymore.
Anyway, finding someone attractive doesn't imply that you are effectively attracted by this person. You recognize a fact, nothing more. My daughter, who's now 20yo, is attractive since she was 17yo, and I can assure you that I never been attracted by her.




No, they are treated differently because the physical difference is almost absent of the equation. Unlike for girls, a boy that have hit puberty few months ago will already physically looks like a 18+ man. That's why "shota" imply a boy before his puberty, or at most at the really early stage of it, while "loli" goes further and tend to include any girl below 18.




You say this a lot, but how is this related with the fact that globally speaking the world don't agree with loli content ?

Many countries in Europe have an age of consent below 18yo, some going down to 15yo, yet "loli" loving isn't something that would cross the mind of their citizens. And what about countries that, because of their culture, have a free sexuality, while still not agreeing with "loli" content. Even in Japan, where loli have a long tradition, there's more and more voices rising against it, while not necessarily wanting to raise the, really low, age of consent in the country.
I doubt that it's the fault of some US conservative right guys. Not because they don't have such influence outside of their country, but because "loli" was looked badly in those countries before they even exist.


This being said, lolicon is more a fetish than something else.
In some way, it can be seen as a variation of the Peter Pan Syndrome. Since your fantasies imply young girls, that would normally only react to the advances made by boys near their age, you aren't this old.
There's people for who it's more than a fantasy, but unless they are effectively attracted by prepubescent girls, loli content will not satisfy them, because, as I said above, their girls don't looks like they should.

Nice answer, most loli art has some adult body stylization, so unless you strictly like that prepubescent body process or something creepy, you're not really atracted by underage girls (I think) this being said, this would be a fetish more something else. I liked your replies.

And yeah, prepubescent girls doesn't really look attractive, on those ages their body looks very strange and the only way they would look attractive is with hypersexualization, but dude, that's gross, just let girls be girls.
I usually have to interact with High School and University girls due my grades and there is a whole difference between a young looking adult university student and a real young High School girl, their body is very different.

Your opinion is very objective.

 

[Hegzblarg]

Every heterosexual male is attracted to underage characters from visual representation alone, then some who have been socially brainwashed lie about only being attracted to 18+ characters because in america the social reputation ruining is hardcore.

Youth is nice and valuable for obvious reproductive reasons, if a creator isn't artificially restricted from depicting characters who display youth then they'll just include that since it's so commonly sought after. Where the visual depictions maximize arousal generally aren't preteen though, but in the range where they're still growing/developing but depict definite female features that indicate childbearing age.
These biologically adult depictions are categorized simply as loli, since it's convenient way to differentiate between the typical payment processor safe young adult woman vs younger girls.

Shota + older women has always been treated differently since there's the self-insert element and it's not related to gatekeeping the "disgusting" loli crowd out. It's always hypocritical.
The gatekeepers probably aren't fan of anime either. You can have commenters claim utmost repulsion for any depiction of girls in anime where the focus is on narrative, when those people exist it's not exactly surprising you have to deal with shitposting in porn as well. They suffer from negative emotions/american social programming and are certainly not concerned over your wellbeing, might as well ignore them as a rule. From political leaning standpoint the conservative right is extremely rigid about what you can do with children.

The "fetish" elements are derived from normal desires and then refined to be specific rather than just "its loli, enjoy".

Idk about young girls and what you say. Yes, youth is more atractive for men, but only applies on adult girls by nature, not underage girls anything else is not arousal.

 

[Hegzblarg]

Do you mean actual underage loli girls or a girl that just look and act like loli? For example I like Marie Rose from Dead or Alive video games series and she is 18 year old in the game. But the character in your example Oni Boku Molesting Ogress Girl is just too young. I'm not disgust by it and I'm not judge people who like that kind of loli but its not for me.
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I mean about the loli genre controversy in general.

My example and opinion was more about your question although. I find more atractive the loli looking and acting in adult characters than the real age play and personality fetish.

I find your example atractive too, My university crush was a friend that used to act a little childish and looked like your character... and she's older than me, lol. Sadly, I never liked her and our friendship was very complicated due some problems between us and a common friend.

 

[AhoyLaddies]

So I was thinking about this subject the other day and I found a Quora post that a guy made and I think It can explain how/why people enjoy shota or loli under an adult theme:

Well actually, let me explain to you what can be exciting about lolicon and shotacon. On a male perspective, doujinshi only (no hentai/anime).

Lolicon is the act of an adult (but not always) having sex with a child. The age of the child in those doujinshi can be quite different:

• From 4 to 8. It’s quite rare. Here the child has no idea what is going on. The fantasm is right here, it’s to have sex without having the partner to know it’s sex.
• From 8 to 13. A huge majority of lolicon. The child has some idea of what sex is about but has absolute no experience. The fantasm here is to have sex with someone that is not judgemental about sex performances. It’s really important for japanese people since they are judged in every freaking aspect of their life. Moreover, the attraction to the child has less to do with sexual attraction (eros) and more with attraction to purity (agape). In Lolicon, the girl is cute looking, has a sweet demeanor, is non judgmental, is easy to dominate (i.e to guide through the act of sex - not t necessarily to be SM on her) and has no expectations. It’s the paramount of what a perfect woman is for japanese people. Of course this kind of character is seen throughout the whole eromanga industry…
• From 18 to infinity. Typically either an adult with a petite body or a magical being with a child-like body. Often those girls have quite the experience and the only difference with a normal adult woman is the body. They do have the mind and the character of an adult woman. It’s still considered as lolicon.

Shotacon is not very different, it’s the act of an adult woman having sex with a boy child. What is exciting is that having sex with an adult good-looking woman (or even better several at the same time) when one is underage feels like winning at the game of life with passing colours.

In Japan, the japanese men have a huge pressure to be successful and are often frustated about not being popular in their teen years. For a male, the shotacon genra enables him to reenact its teen years in the best way possible or even to reenact the perfect unconditional love they felt with a motherly figure.

In short, it has everything to do with the psychology and sociology of japanese people, and less with being kinky with children.

While I don't agree with everything he says, I do agree with the idea that people who enjoy loli and shota aren't exactly in it for the underaged appearing character, but rather the fantasy and kink that comes along with it.

I'm still somewhat averse to shota and loli. However, I think that the fact that it is shota and loli allows for certain events to be written and directed, while also executing on a particular fantasy and capitalizing on a fetish that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do otherwise, or at least to the same degree if it werent shota or loli.

Loli and Shota tend to be centered around of sort of taboo, and thats often the focus in a lot of games and novels where shota and loli are present. The concept of forbidden sex, secrecy, it's all quite taboo and can scratch an itch for people. It makes sense too. A lot of shota and loli often have tags related to incest, cheating, NTR, milf, etc.

Of course, I'm coming at this primarily from the angle of shota. Though I believe this could probably apply to lolicon as well.

Just trying to offer an explanation. I will say though, that personally a few of the adult games I've played had a great way of building sexual tension and really selling it's taboo fetish, and they happened to involve an MC that could almost be described as a shota. For example, Summer Memories Plus and Bones: The Manor.

In those games I think that writing the character and portraying them as a younger individual allows the author to create a fantasy that wouldn't be believable or possible without it.
For a time I had avoided those two particular games because of the fact the MC was quite similar to a shota.