What do you think about loli fetish? just a fetish or something else?

[baneini]

Even in Japan, where loli have a long tradition, there's more and more voices rising against it, while not necessarily wanting to raise the, really low, age of consent in the country.
I doubt that it's the fault of some US conservative right guys. Not because they don't have such influence outside of their country, but because "loli" was looked badly in those countries before they even exist.

The trend tends to be government removes freedoms, and they're not then given back. Loli porn obviously doesn't have public defenders since it's so uncomfortable. Circumstances guarantee only one side gets repeated in public and the ones wanting freedom to enjoy their porn aren't going to expose themselves due to internet retaliation mechanics.
Saying it's looked badly is a given since thats the only opinion allowed. Some commentator defending loli porn will get a reddit thread asking for FBI to raid his pc since he confessed to being a criminal.

 

[Doorknob22]

Fantasy is just fantasy. Personally, I am considering adding under aged fictional characters to my game at some point.

 

[おい！]

I personally have no problems with loli games, but I do have the mental capacity to distinguish the difference between reality and fantasy.

 

[Banality]

Every heterosexual male is attracted to underage characters from visual representation alone, then some who have been socially brainwashed lie about only being attracted to 18+ characters because in america the social reputation ruining is hardcore.

Where did you get THAT from? I don't think *every heterosexual man* is attracted to underdeveloped girlbodies. Speak for yourself and not for others.

Youth is nice and valuable for obvious reproductive reasons, if a creator isn't artificially restricted from depicting characters who display youth then they'll just include that since it's so commonly sought after. Where the visual depictions maximize arousal generally aren't preteen though, but in the range where they're still growing/developing but depict definite female features that indicate childbearing age.

Nope. These "in-beetweens" are barely existing. you have eighter a preteen childbody or a flatchested womantype. From nature (as far as i know, so don't take my word and look it up for yourself) this "Childcoding" served a certain purpose: the purpose to protect the offspring and maybe incite mercy to possible predators. That's why they are CUTE. (big eyes, bigger head, small mouth and so on...) to get hard on this displays a certain problem in your sexual development; you combine two triggers that shouldn't be combined, but i'm not here to judge.

These biologically adult depictions are categorized simply as loli, since it's convenient way to differentiate between the typical payment processor safe young adult woman vs younger girls.

i think you mean the typical "300 year old vampire loli". Make her adult in canon and you're on the safe side? Jep..... same goes for "Stepsiblings" to avoid the "incest".... we all know what is really meant. As far as i am concerned thoughts are free. Enjoy your kinks and perversions in your fantasy but don't take em to the real world when it means real... "inconveniance" (or for that matter:criminal acts)

btw i agree with you in one point: the Shotas shouldn't be treated differently to Lolis... (both is for me... "not for me" )

 

[baneini]

Enjoy your kinks and perversions in your fantasy but don't take em to the real world when it means real... "inconveniance" (or for that matter:criminal acts)

This phrase gets mentioned sometimes since it seems reasonable but it's insidious, if they actually believe it that is. The presumption being the people being talked down to are waiting for the opportunity to find children to fuck. It indicates the speaker doesn't consider them to be part of same group of people as themselves betraying the pre-existing categories in their brain.
The group of people doesn't exist, it's not some life-crippling condition they need to medicate with porn. They'll never negatively impact your life. It's just entertainment for fun.

 

[Banality]

and again you claim to speak for the whole mankink [edit] mankind.... but that's your thing i guess.

It indicates the speaker doesn't consider them to be part of same group of people as themselves

that is right because i have different kinks/fetishes than they have. And here is a newsflash: i don't need to be friend with everyone. As long as i don't harm anyone it is fine.
But you my friend should stop betraying your brain (or better yourself) by claiming being attracted to underage kids is "natural". i guess you've been brainwashed into thinking that

 

[Trickstar]

The general argument against lolis tends to be the same one towards videogames and how it causes it to happen irl. This is already been proven false and not only that, loli can actually help the problem since pedos already have mental problems and if a drawing can help them surpress their desires and keep them from going out and attacking real children then it is good. People need to realize that fantasy and reality are two different things and if you can't distinguish between the two then YOU are the problem.

I would also like too point out loli just doesn't mean "underage", to qualify as a loli a character must have "childlike" qualities, they do not necessarily have to be a child. This is why there are many different terms for lolis such as oppai loli, legal loli, etc.

Every heterosexual male is attracted to underage characters from visual representation alone, then some who have been socially brainwashed lie about only being attracted to 18+ characters because in america the social reputation ruining is hardcore.

As for this I wouldn't say every but it is extremely common for this to happen just like how it is not unusual for women to have rape fantisies. Neither is it anything to be ashamed of too have such fantasies as long as they stay fantasies.

Moral grandstanding against loli/shota is fucking retarded. Everyone is free to like or dislike anything they want, but pointing fingers and raising pitchforks is wildly illogical since other illegal and abhorrent acts doesn't seem to bother them.

There are some caveats. Real porn of minors is obviously very very bad. Drawings of real children is very bad. Don't fucking do it. Depictions of fictional characters played by real people (child actors) is quite bad. There is some shaky ground to stand on, but just don't do it.

This 100%.

 

[Hadley]

I love it if they are between 10-15.

 

[おい！]

I love it if they are between 10-15.

Stone?

 

[262177]

Fantasy is just fantasy.

Pretty much this to keep it short. I also prefer 2D (and dislike 3D) so I cannot exactly comment on "real" or "realistic-looking" characters.

I do love flat-chested adult women (and absolutely hate massive breasts) but I honestly doubt this has to do with some kind of lolita complex at all. Or if it does, well, I have no qualms admitting that I'm in denial!

 

[claus001]

Loli doesn't automatically means childsex, some girls simply has flat and short body type. A good example is game "Mist", there is a loli character that certainly is adult. The opposite example is game "proud father", that game is serious paedophilia stuff, unless you don't want to see how paedophiles see the world, don't play that game. It is that seriously messed up and banned for a good reason.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

I was into straight shota when I was one myself. I liked the ageplay angle. Have moved onto other fetishes since.

 

[Walnutt]

Like what you like, I don't give a shit. Just leave the real children alone and we're all good.

 

[Xaoyu]

it's the definition of pedophilia. You don't need to have actual sex with children to be pedophile. It means that you are physically attracted by them.

There are a lot of people like that. It's not forbidden as long as you don't touch those children.

Loli are not just flat. They are small with a childish face. They are basically children the only difference being the fake age the dev gave them to not make it complete obvious pedophile content.

 

[262177]

The important part is they can be mutually exclusive and don't even automatically apply.

Someone may enjoy that kind of content without feeling any sexual attraction at all, which means lolicon or shotacon doesn't even apply. They just find loli and shota to be fun or cute stuff and don't derive any sexual pleasure (arousal) from it. This is hardly a paraphilia, let alone

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as a MHD.

Ryahn's thread still is very informative for people feeling a bit in the dark on what constitutes F95-unsafe content (and still won't judge people who have this as a fetish) as well as the difference between loli/shota and lolicon/shotacon.

 

[Blaspheme]

I absolutely love loli in games, hentai, toys and books, but I totally condemn pedophilia and I don't get excited by kids. As many have said before me, there's a huge difference between fiction and reality. It's like watching violent movies like Baby Cart and watching ISIS beheadings: first case, you're enjoying a great fiction, second case, you're borderline psycho (imho).

 

[DanThaMan]

I absolutely love loli in games, hentai, toys and books, but I totally condemn pedophilia and I don't get excited by kids. As many have said before me, there's a huge difference between fiction and reality. It's like watching violent movies like Baby Cart and watching ISIS beheadings: first case, you're enjoying a great fiction, second case, you're borderline psycho (imho).

I enjoy watching beheadings and all stuff of that nature, i'm far from a psycho, people enjoy different stuff.. don't kinkshame!

 

[Duke Greene]

I enjoy watching beheadings and all stuff of that nature, i'm far from a psycho, people enjoy different stuff.. don't kinkshame!

He was talking about ISIS beheadings though. You know, beheadings of real people.

 

[Uthuriel]

Great... another of those threads....

 

[DanThaMan]

He was talking about ISIS beheadings though. You know, beheadings of real people.

So was i..