What do you want to see in incest adult games?

[NeonSelf]

Again, you're looking into the whole ex-military Dad example too much. My point is saying what's the point of keeping the incest a secret, and thus keeping the allure of it, if you don't give a shit what people think in the first place? The whole ruin their lives angle is what I'm talking about but that doesn't work if what happens at home, stays at home. You're already fucking mom, sister and aunt. Absent a dad or brother, who the fuck is telling anyone about your incestuous relationship?

So, if your family lives on a distant farm and nobody else knows you have sex with all of them - it doesnt count as incest for you?

It seems you have different kink, you enjoy the risk of possible consequences. Like having sneaky sex in public.

 

[Night Hacker]

How about two paths we never see... a good and bad path, where if you go down the good path, you could make choices where you DON'T have incest. Bad path, you do. Similar to what I have seen in other games where, say, a wife can choose to cheat on her husband, or not, and there are options for both.

For example, your sister broke up with her abusive boyfriend, perhaps you defended her, comforted her. She comes home drunk after a night out with the girls and you help her to her room. She shows her feelings about all you done for her, hugs you, kisses you deeply and you have the option to do "the right thing" and refuse her, help her into bed and have a more loving relationship. Or, you go along with it and over time it could lead down a bad road, estrangement... guilt... real consequences for temporary fun. On the good path, you could end up with a girlfriend... perhaps a friend of one of your siblings, or daughter of your mom's friend you meet because of all the right things you did.

I have always loved stories where there is a good path, and a bad path, with benefits and consequences for both.

 

[Deleted member 4552948]

Again, you're looking into the whole ex-military Dad example too much. My point is saying what's the point of keeping the incest a secret, and thus keeping the allure of it, if you don't give a shit what people think in the first place? The whole ruin their lives angle is what I'm talking about but that doesn't work if what happens at home, stays at home. You're already fucking mom, sister and aunt. Absent a dad or brother, who the fuck is telling anyone about your incestuous relationship?

Any story can be devoid of tension if you just make the protagonists impervious to threats and consequences. That's not a flaw of the material, but the author. What is your point? Genuinely. Are you critiquing incest because you conflate it with authors who can't write good incestuous drama, or just bad writing in general?

I went back to your original example because when I made up other examples you didn't like that either. What do you want me to do to illustrate my point? Make up your mind, or focus on my actual point instead.

You can't say that because an author can chose to not add a risk and consequence element to a game, then the point of the premise is pointless. That's a foolish stance.

 

[Deleted member 6870930]

The point of adult game is a fantasy of getting what you cannot have in real life. There is no need for consequences.
- You want a nice girl with huge tits - here they are
- You want three of them - its ok, they will even agree to share you or even engage in a group sex.

As for me, being in danger is a turnoff. I hate it when porn game hints some big problems, but I have to keep going against the odds. Its ok in action or horror movie, but I personally play adult games to relax, not to confront my father with a baseball bat.

Its enough if sisters call me brother and live with me. Same as cheerleaders: if a girl wears uniform, its convincing enough to believe she is.

I guess you are not wrong either. You are referring to quick fuck games like Back Door Connection [Ch. 2.0] [Doux].
Yeah, this type of games also cool. But I want to create a little more complex stuff than that.

 

[Deleted member 6870930]

How about two paths we never see... a good and bad path, where if you go down the good path, you could make choices where you DON'T have incest. Bad path, you do. Similar to what I have seen in other games where, say, a wife can choose to cheat on her husband, or not, and there are options for both.

For example, your sister broke up with her abusive boyfriend, perhaps you defended her, comforted her. She comes home drunk after a night out with the girls and you help her to her room. She shows her feelings about all you done for her, hugs you, kisses you deeply and you have the option to do "the right thing" and refuse her, help her into bed and have a more loving relationship. Or, you go along with it and over time it could lead down a bad road, estrangement... guilt... real consequences for temporary fun. On the good path, you could end up with a girlfriend... perhaps a friend of one of your siblings, or daughter of your mom's friend you meet because of all the right things you did.

I have always loved stories where there is a good path, and a bad path, with benefits and consequences for both.

If I understand correctly if the player want to be a good guy there will be no incest, if the player want to be a bad guy there will be incest stuffs. So, why the player should want to be a "good guy" in the game he came to fap for incest sex

 

[Fauxcest]

One simple thing I'd like to see, and maybe someone might've already mentioned(sorry I didn't read other comments) is characters that act their age. I'm tired of seeing an adult male getting embarrassed because he hugged his sister and is like "awww oh my god I have a boner!! What do I do now?" and the story goes on as if that silly nonsense makes sense. I don't think that even when you're 10 years old you go around having random erections for hugging people, specially your family members. At least I didn't. Either that or when they act like a horny teenager.

I also find it very silly the typical "unaware MILF". People make these bombshell hot milfs and when there's some sort of corruption or seduction from the MC towards his mom, they're usually portrayed like "uhh what's this I'm feeling". Bitch, you've fucked multiple times and has multiple children, you know what lust, sex and sexual desire is.

Entertainment is important in AVN's and, of course, the sexual situations. Obviously you won't make a "realistic" approach to incest because, realistically, it's very difficult and, in most cases, impossible to seduce your mother/sister. But we already use our suspension of disbelief to enjoy the novels, I don't think there's a need to dumb down the characters to make things happen between them.

I think that if novels focused more in the "guilty" factor of incest (it's taboo, it's looked down upon, it's a bit weird, etc) instead of dumbing down/hornifying the characters to make them more open to this type of relationship, things could be more organic.

Story wise, I think that someting that could be different from the rest is finally making a character that has graduated university and is maybe starting a job or is already stablished in his position, maybe finding his place in something, maybe turning his hobby and passion into his main focus or anything of that kind. How many "college atendees" do we have as protagonists of these novels? Of course, I say this if the novel is supposed to take place in the modern world, but if it's a fantasy/sci-fi that doesn't have these aspects then it's another story.

 

[nln0]

1. In a lot of incest games once you have sex with the family member and that taboo is broken everyone else is ok with it.
If you are going to act like it's taboo then show it in other ways, have the characters keep the relationship secret from untrustworthy people or everyone, maybe there's a nosy neighbor who barges in that the worse times or a cop who has their suspicions.

2. Condoms if there is a risk of pregnancy

3. More Cunnilingus.

 

[Deleted member 6870930]

One simple thing I'd like to see, and maybe someone might've already mentioned(sorry I didn't read other comments) is characters that act their age. I'm tired of seeing an adult male getting embarrassed because he hugged his sister and is like "awww oh my god I have a boner!! What do I do now?" and the story goes on as if that silly nonsense makes sense. I don't think that even when you're 10 years old you go around having random erections for hugging people, specially your family members. At least I didn't. Either that or when they act like a horny teenager.

I am aware of this problem either. And have a solution for it.
Also, I am seeing so many times the mom character act like a child. MC slapping his mom's ass and the mom like " Oh my god, I think he accidentally touched my ass. ".

I also find it very silly the typical "unaware MILF". People make these bombshell hot milfs and when there's some sort of corruption or seduction from the MC towards his mom, they're usually portrayed like "uhh what's this I'm feeling". Bitch, you've fucked multiple times and has multiple children, you know what lust, sex and sexual desire is.

Also, the devs making the mom like pornstar/model and they act like an ugliest people on earth.

Entertainment is important in AVN's and, of course, the sexual situations. Obviously you won't make a "realistic" approach to incest because, realistically, it's very difficult and, in most cases, impossible to seduce your mother/sister. But we already use our suspension of disbelief to enjoy the novels, I don't think there's a need to dumb down the characters to make things happen between them.

I think that if novels focused more in the "guilty" factor of incest (it's taboo, it's looked down upon, it's a bit weird, etc) instead of dumbing down/hornifying the characters to make them more open to this type of relationship, things could be more organic.

Story wise, I think that someting that could be different from the rest is finally making a character that has graduated university and is maybe starting a job or is already stablished in his position, maybe finding his place in something, maybe turning his hobby and passion into his main focus or anything of that kind. How many "college atendees" do we have as protagonists of these novels? Of course, I say this if the novel is supposed to take place in the modern world, but if it's a fantasy/sci-fi that doesn't have these aspects then it's another story.

I agree mostly.

 

[watermankaku]

I want to see two sons and a grandfather enjoying themselves together.

 

[watermankaku]

See a mother taking care of her two sons and a father at the same time.

 

[kenpoy67]

i like the idea of a grandmother and grandson relationship maybe mom has moved away for work or passed away and mc moves in with grandma and side characters could be a couple aunts or grandmas friends optional for each but more realistic characters maybe grandma is busty but a bit chubby boobs sag a bit a few wrinkles no offense to the creators they do some great work but it takes the fun out of the game if the mother looks like the same age as mc or grandma looks the same as mom i like the fanasty part but there has to be some realism but i applaud all of these creators i couldnt make a stick man lol

 

[disturb-o-matic]

I would like to see more simulated risk & tension when a relationship happens. In most of the games I've played the only tension/risk that comes up is the "this is wrong", not also "someone might catch us," and all things that are implied by being caught. Much of the time there is no risk at all, just "let's fuck!" The guilt/morality question of it is fine, but a lot of these games seem to forget that it's so easy to get caught having sex with someone if you live in the same house with more than one person & aren't extremely careful. The difficulty in developing risk is, you want the danger of being caught to feel real but you also don't want heavy consequences such as "game over" screens (cause those suck & should never be used).

How you handle this is up to you, but there should be hard-coded scenes where you do get caught if you make the wrong choices, and being caught should then be a "side quest" of sorts where you then have to deal with the potential consequences. Nobody likes being caught, but making it interesting enough will mean less people will backtrack to make different choices to avoid it.

There also needs to be more interesting catalysts to relationships than simply "one of them suddenly finds the other attractive one day." This particular one happens in almost every game and it's not very interesting. Give a concrete reason or inciting event for the attraction. Why does it happen? Does it make sense? Could this happen in real life too?

Just some thoughts, hopefully they make sense.

 

[Deleted member 6870930]

i like the idea of a grandmother and grandson relationship maybe mom has moved away for work or passed away and mc moves in with grandma and side characters could be a couple aunts or grandmas friends optional for each but more realistic characters maybe grandma is busty but a bit chubby boobs sag a bit a few wrinkles no offense to the creators they do some great work but it takes the fun out of the game if the mother looks like the same age as mc or grandma looks the same as mom i like the fanasty part but there has to be some realism but i applaud all of these creators i couldnt make a stick man lol

I am also a huge fun for grandma-grandson content, and it will definitely be one of the main content. But not only focused to grandma though.

I also agree with your description about how mom-grandma must look.

 

[milfluv69]

The single most important thing for an incest game is taboo

Far too many incest games can't seem to do this properly. This is probably partially to do with a lot of devs having to hide the incest content from patreon and restore it with a patch, but some of it is just plain bad writing. In a lot of cases even with the patch the family members could just be any other role, they don't act like family.

A good incest game should focus on the "this is so wrong" element of the fetish. Most moms aren't going to want to fuck their sons, it would take a lot of very hard barriers being slowly removed to get to that point, and that's the thrill at the core of incest games.

Finally, I think this type of game benefits a lot from 'realistic' character design. Characters should look like their roles rather than supermodels. Moms should have some signs of age like some wrinkles and a bit of weight, sisters should take a girl next door look rather than looking like they're permanently modelling. Their clothes should reflect this too, they're family, they should be comfortable around the MC and wear day to day clothes rather than constantly being dressed like they're going on a first date with high heels and revealing dresses. That doesn't mean characters should be unattractive, just that they shouldn't constantly be 10/10 model attractive.

 

[Nulldev]

IMHO Father daughter makes more sense on average because males seek youth and fertility and females search for stability and strong personality.
Mother/son version makes this harder to achieve, or need more explanation what they see in each other.

 

[Hadley]

A somewhat realistic plot. I hate these Games where the Sister is just obsessively horny. Have some fucking backstory/flashbacks why she likes you.

 

[woody554]

It seems you have different kink, you enjoy the risk of possible consequences. Like having sneaky sex in public.

I think they're essentially wanting the same thing, only kytee wants the danger of reveal to come from an external threat, where as heathenfilth wants the threat of reveal to be written into the psychology of the relationship itself. the former is the cheesy action movie way to do it, the hacky way of using some 'mob plot' to generate obstacles, the latter is the drama way to do it. first is the fast & furious, second is jane austen.

both work fine for our purposes, but the latter is what good writers do exactly because of the reasons heathenfilth gave. it simply has 100% of the writing focusing on the incestuous relationship, where as the hacky approach shares its time between incest and some pointless 'high concept' external plot.

it's not that one is good and the other approach shit, it's just that some people are fine with the romance plot playing second fiddle to danny ocean robbing 11 banks, and others want the whole movie actually focusing on the relationship.

which doesn't mean it has to be uneventful, like in 'betty blue' where the girl among other shit stabs people, torches their house and rips her own eye out. the danger never has to be external unless you want to tell THAT story. focusing on the relationship should NOT be boring, and if it is you're not writing it right. if your characters are boring YOU are making them boring. it doesn't have to be that way.


edit: whoopsie. didn't see that heathenfilth already said basically the same shit right after the comment I was responding to. oh well.

 

[woody554]

Story wise, I think that someting that could be different from the rest is finally making a character that has graduated university and is maybe starting a job or is already stablished in his position, maybe finding his place in something, maybe turning his hobby and passion into his main focus or anything of that kind.

I agree with everything you said about people acting their age and not being retarded about sex, but with this last point I have a big problem. and the reason is because every time you make the son an actual adult man, it removes the difference in hierarchy between mom and son.

suddenly it's just two equals having a consensual adult relationship and the only difference is changing name tags from 'Evelyn' to 'Mom', which I think we all agree is the lowest category of incest games. it becomes a vanilla story where the man inexplicably calls his wife 'Mom'. the more 'adult man' you make the son the less there's power difference between the couple. they become peers rather than a mom and son exploring forbidden love.

 

[Fauxcest]

I agree with everything you said about people acting their age and not being retarded about sex, but with this last point I have a big problem. and the reason is because every time you make the son an actual adult man, it removes the difference in hierarchy between mom and son.

suddenly it's just two equals having a consensual adult relationship and the only difference is changing name tags from 'Evelyn' to 'Mom', which I think we all agree is the lowest category of incest games. it becomes a vanilla story where the man inexplicably calls his wife 'Mom'. the more 'adult man' you make the son the less there's power difference between the couple. they become peers rather than a mom and son exploring forbidden love.

It's a good point that you brought up, but I think that are a few ways to overcome it. For example, have you ever played Come Inside? The MC is still an 18 y/o in it, but all of his moments with his mom that we get to see are flashbacks of when he was younger and we can notice how innappropriate their relationship was. If something similar were done, we'd get to see the kid that had a fling and weird feelings for his mom and how he struggled along the years to bury/hide/try to forget it. If not that, either MC or Mom could be put under a situation of vulnerability that requires each other's care for a while. An accident? Sickness? Either of them unemployed? Witnessing domestic violence when he was younger and had no power to stop it but now he does? Being vulnerable is a great moment for people opening up, being honest with their feelings, accepting things and being easily swayed.... Or maybe the MC is just starting in his job and still living with his parents, we switch the now overused college scenario for a workplace, there'll be still people to meet and things to be done. It's not like the exact scenario matters much at the end of the day, given that the story always skips the boring parts. I wouldn't make the MC older than 24-25.

Whatever the case, the MC will still be hit with that "Shit, out of all the women in the world, I wanna fuck my mom?". That's why I said the guilty factor should be explored more, for both parties. I think they always get over it too easily. Unless the game states that the MC has a strong incest fetish, he shouldn't get into it in a clap of fingers just because his mom is hot.

But, being honest, I didn't think much of a solution for the very issue I pointed. I wish I had more hands on examples to give, but nothing comes to mind, specially since I haven't been playing much lately, exactly because of all these generic fuckfests that don't catch my attention anymore or the ones that are 10 years in development and getting nowhere. What I downloaded recently and am going to play after sending this comment is The Lost Love but apparently it's a B/S incest only

 

[muschi26]

For my part, so long as you set out to write a unique story and avoid falling into clichés, that’s all I can ask for. People have listed most of them: son coming back to live with his mother and sisters after his father died, mother/sister walking on MC in the shower, characters acting like ten-year-olds who grew up in a Catholic boarding school, random rich guy tries to destroy your family because we need forced conflict and a villain, etc. Some more variety in how the families act would be nice too (my own mother wasn’t waking me up for school and cooking me breakfast when I was 18 and going to college).

Personally though, I’m not a huge fan of mother-son games, because I generally prefer when women are younger than the man (in fact, I don’t really like MILFs at all).

One thing I’ve never seen which I’d like to see done is a really young mom. E.g. she could have been a teen mom and gotten pregnant at 15–16, which would make her 33–34 by the time her eldest daughter is 18.

(Honestly, the only incest that really appeals to me is stuff like oyakodon (mother-daughter threesome) and shimaidon (threesome with two sisters). The guy doesn’t have to be related to them at all. If he is, I don’t mind, but I don’t really care.)