What does everyone think of AR?

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I recently found this
Basically there is a 3d model that you can situate in any location without the use of paper or any image to center the video or whatever it is, and it gives the ability to have a character/actor to be in your own bed or anywhere you'd like.
Should F95 have a new AR category?
Have you tried AR?
Anything anyone would like to recommend?
 
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I recently found this
Basically there is a 3d model that you can situate in any location without the use of paper or any image to center the video or whatever it is, and it gives the ability to have a character/actor to be in your own bed or anywhere you'd like.
Should F95 have a new AR category?
Have you tried AR?
Anything anyone would like to recommend?
While I'm sure he just loves AR, @F95 is the name of the admin/owner. F95zone is the name of the site. ;)
 
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I dunno if there's really enough AR or even just VR adult content out there to really merit a category for it. As far as AR porn goes... well, I'd have to be really creative with my environment for any kind of AR porn to be of interest to me.

That would be hard because I'm kinda not creative in general. Having said that, I feel about AR (and even VR) now the way I felt about the WWW back when it was a whiz-bang thing that required a trip to a mall or a museum or something to use, even for those of us with home computers. I kinda read about it once in a while and think, "well, that's nice but I don't see the use of it yet." By the time ISPs started to become common and normal things, the applications for the web had pretty much started to arrive and I didn't need to imagine what use it could be. Right now, AR and VR are still too niche for there to be enough applications for there to be a huge variety of interesting things to choose from yet. It's probably different for one who's an early adopter and really into the basic technology.

Remember video phones? Even after the Internet became widespread and fast, even after CCDs and LCDs for display became cheap enough for shitty little consumer devices, it STILL took until smartphones with cameras became popular for the idea to really catch on with people. I forget why I brought that up except maybe as an example of an idea that's been around a long time, with essentially COTS technology that could feasibly implement it for a reasonable price, and has only recently become really common. AR's kinda in the same phase consumer video telephony was just as the flip-phone and candybar-phones were starting to look unattractive, I think. The concept is trying to find the right combination of societal, technological, and economic factors to allow it to catch on, even though it's an idea that's been around and maybe technically doable for some time.

That's just my take on it. I'm kinda insulated in my little corner of the universe, so maybe that stuff has advanced way beyond where I think that it is. I also need to get myself a user title that reads "perennial bullshitter" since I more or less just make all this up as I go.
 

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The concept is trying to find the right combination of societal, technological, and economic factors to allow it to catch on, even though it's an idea that's been around and maybe technically doable for some time.
I get what you're saying but I think this is different compared to the cases of VR, and the progression of tech with phones. As of right now, smartphones have pretty much hit the point where the tech has surpassed what is required of it for the average person. The only thing that can possible be in need of upgrading is the wireless aspect, battery, screen, data security and the cameras. I'm sure I missed a few things but the guts as far as processing power is concerned, is more than what anyone needs. Of course I'm generalizing here since there is 3 billion different phones on the market but when looking at the cheap accessible Xiaomi phones as opposed to the top tier stuff, it's clear that the average person is capable of having a powerful computer in their pocket. That right there is key.
VR headsets for PCs are ridiculously expensive, as is all the hardware needed to run them. Mobile VR/AR on the other hand isn't since all one needs is a headset for the phone.
It's just a matter of time for headsets to catch on and be seen as far beyond a gimmick.
 
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It'll be some time before AR or VR becomes popular enough to warrant it's own category, especially on a site such as this. I'm sure in time we will reach that point, but it's still too soon. VR is just now starting to catch on and stray away from its idea as a niche. The technology for both VR and AR is coming along well but AR isn't even ready for the slightest bit of consumer production while VR is only in its infancy for the stage its at for consumers.
 
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AR has been around for ages. The ARToolkit was first open-sourced back in the early 2000s. I remember back around the late 2000s there were some Japanese folks who put it to use along with maybe some MMD style stuff to make a program called ARis, which was like this interactive little 3D anime girl. Haven't really heard anything since; most of the links to that stuff seem dead now and most of the videos that were on Youtube from back then have been taken down as well. Looks like the original author of the old ARToolkit released a newer version of it kinda recently (in the past year or two) after the original project got bought up a few years back.

Here's a few relevant links:









Lol, after some digging around my old storage drive, I found an old copy of that ARis thing. No idea if it works or not. I grabbed it from a torrent back around 2010 or so, but I didn't have a webcam to test it out with back then. So I mostly just forgot about it until now. :LOL:

Anyhow, here are the files in a 7z archive, in case anyone wants to check it out and make sure the files are clean and try to get it working:
 
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AR has been around for ages.
Thanks for the detailed post! You sure know quite a fair bit.
What attracted me to this kind of AR is the fact that no image is needed for the model to be centered. Unlike those anime girls who were on the cube. However I have yet to test out any of the apps. I think I'll certainly give them a try sooner or later. I did find one by naughty america, the one I provided in the link but I was hesitant in downloading it on the phone. I put it in bluestacks but it didn't work for probably obvious reasons.
The rest of the apps require an AR mixed media head set unfortunately.
 
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Ya, AR was always something I thought had a fair bit of potential, in many ways more so than even VR. But no one's really done much with it so far. I know Microsoft had some AR stuff planned, I think using VR headsets called Mixed Reality or something like that, not sure what happened with that. HP had some interesting things going on as well a few years back, with things like their Sprout and Zvr displays, that last one in particular was a pretty neat concept, sort of an AR holographic display that used a special sort of monitor with a set of fairly normal looking glasses that I'm guessing probably had some sort of special polarized lenses to limit what direction light could pass through them to get the 3D effect like those 3D TVs and such. If I recall it had a stylus you could use to manipulate and interact with things spatially.

I think things have been slow mainly due to technology needing to catch up. The ideal AR setup would be some sort of glasses with mini high-fidelity projectors mounted to them, that could project images onto the glasses to superimpose images onto the world around us in real time. But that also requires high precision head tracking and real-time accurate environment scanning in order to do proper model positioning. Also the glass surface would have to be made in such a way where the projected images can appear opaque at any brightness level, without any excess glare and without impeding light from passing through, which is a tall order and probably not even feasible at this time.

As things like accurate positional tracking get better, we should see more stuff like what you linked to in your OP. I'm still not sure how well that stuff works. If I had to guess, it's probably pretty janky when you are moving the camera around. It's just unfortunate that we have to settle for composited video output to experience AR. I'll keep hoping for the day when that could change though, heh.

Maybe it would be better to sidestep tech all together and figure out how to do lucid dreaming. If I could have one ability, I really would love to be able to just close my eyes and have full control over vivid hallucinations, lol. Though I'd probably never get anything done ever again. :p
 

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Maybe it would be better to sidestep tech all together and figure out how to do lucid dreaming. If I could have one ability, I really would love to be able to just close my eyes and have full control over vivid hallucinations, lol. Though I'd probably never get anything done ever again. :p
What I want is today's mobile VR but with the camera function enabled thus making it AR. But without the use of something printed to center the digital model. Yet 99% of the apps want the end user to buy the MS mixed reality headset or the other one that I can't recall. Leap one? Idk
As for dreaming, I don't know how to lucid dream. But if you wish to recall your dreams, you simply journal them once you wake up. Then the dreams will become vivid and they'll stay with you
 
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As for dreaming, I don't know how to lucid dream. But if you wish to recall your dreams, you simply journal them once you wake up. Then the dreams will become vivid and they'll stay with you
Heh, ya, already do that, at least with the good ones. I've gotten a lot of great story ideas from my dreams in the past. Despite my love of creating art, my ability to mentally visualize things is quite weak most of the time, including in my dreams. I have a great spatial awareness in my mind, probably well above most others, but it's more of an abstract and intuitive understanding than a visual one, if that makes any sense. I can only hold fleeting and dim images in my mind that are usually gone as quickly as they form.

Though there have been a handful of instances where I had amazing moments of clarity, where I saw things clearer in my mind than I could ever even hope to with my own eyes. One happened in a dream shortly before I woke up many years ago, it only lasted a few seconds and I think the shock of it ended up waking me up. Which seems to be a theme, every time I get one of these clear and vivid images the excitement of it takes me right out of the mindset I'd need to maintain it. 2 of the other times were back when I read a book about astral projection some years ago and started doing the suggested exercises before, and as, I was falling asleep out of curiosity. On 2 occasions over a couple of month period I found myself with my eyes still closed but able to see my room with a level of clarity I've never experienced before. The first time was from my laying down in bed perspective, the other was from above my bed looking out over to the side of the room opposite of the direction my body was facing. In both cases I couldn't contain my excitement and within a second or two of becoming aware of the situation I was wide awake and the experiences had ended.

The last one was kinda weird. I do a fair bit of meditation to relax and every now and then I like to spend some time doing visualization exercises concerned with activating chakras. In the past I never gave much regard to whether they were real or not - all I knew was when I would go through such routines I would feel genuinely energized and refreshed afterwards, far more so than with meditation alone - and that was good enough for me. But this one time while deep in meditation the thought came to me, "I wonder what a chakra really looks like," and I directed my attention to the spot in my chest where the heart chakra is said to be located and basically willed my awareness to move to that location and somehow it seemed to work and for just a moment I saw one of the most amazing things I've ever seen in my life. What I saw in my mind's eye was something like a giant emerald that took up most of my vision. Though while it was faceted and gleaming like a gem, it wasn't solid, the best description I can come up with for it is liquid light with a semi-solid appearance. The surface of it kept moving and changing and it had this brilliant green glow emanating from it's depths and gave me the impression of gentle warmth and pulsating energy. Again the shock of this sudden vision ripped me straight out of my meditative state and I immediately lost it. I haven't managed to see it again since, I think because when I think about trying to see it, I automatically start to lose focus as my mind starts to race and the meditative state is gone before I can even consider trying to shift my perspective to other parts of my body, heh.

Now, I can't say any of those experiences are proof of chakras or astral projection or any of that. For all I know they could have been just ordinary hallucinations made possible thanks to the relaxed state of mind I was in combined with my desires and expectations. I have often had auditory hallucinations in the same sort of situations of deep meditation and drifting off to sleep, those usually happen in the form of a quick and sudden blast of clear sound, usually nothing intelligible, but they also usually catch me off guard and make me wide awake as well, at least for a few minutes while I calm back down. Though I will say, at least with the last one - before that vision I always thought of chakras as bright white points of light, that was always how I visualized them before then anyhow. So I'm not sure where my mind would have got the inspiration in that case if it was just a hallucination.
 
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I think its more of a gimmick than anything like 3D. It has a long ways to go before its considered viable I find and for porn I don't see anything cool happening currently with it.