What happens to these writers?

[Fake Smile]

The lack of creativity of visual novel writers is noticeable, they all seem more of the same, it even seems that the same writers wrote all the stories.
Cliché scripts, effeminate or oversexualized characters, the lack of narrative construction of the characters is noticeable in 90% of the characters, female or male. The achievement factor present in the old visual novels has been totally lost and it's getting boring.
I didn't come here to attack the creators, but to bring a reflection, so that they invest more in the stories, so that they become more interesting again and that people read again.

 

[shabadu]

The achievement factor present in the old visual novels has been totally lost and it's getting boring.

Do you have any examples of what this achievement factor is, or the old games that have it?

 

[coffeeaddicted]

The lack of creativity of visual novel writers is noticeable, they all seem more of the same, it even seems that the same writers wrote all the stories.
Cliché scripts, effeminate or oversexualized characters, the lack of narrative construction of the characters is noticeable in 90% of the characters, female or male. The achievement factor present in the old visual novels has been totally lost and it's getting boring.
I didn't come here to attack the creators, but to bring a reflection, so that they invest more in the stories, so that they become more interesting again and that people read again.

Funny.
But true to some extend.

I got bored with most of them a long time ago. The narrative is usually the same. I haven't seen anyone breaking a boundary but i haven't played a recent game either.

My gripe would include never ending stories as well.

As for writing itself, most games want to give the player what they want. Meaning either sex or tension. For some games this works fine, others maybe not.
I usually like the more smaller indies, if you can call them that way.

But in a sense, i compare the games to porn movies you see and this may sound harsh but a lot of stories are uninspiring. Now, i can say what i want and not everyone will agree and i have to admit, that writing a story including the dialog is a science in itself.
Not everyone can do that. It takes a lot of skills and i am not even sure i can do that.

I think that the paying customers are probably proof that people like where games go. So it's hard to argue that it isn't good. It's just not what you like.
I think it starts for me with choice and mostly there isn't a real choice. More of an illusion of choice where you get to the path by a diversion so you have had the impression that you made a choice.

Oversexualizing is the norm. It's the world we live in so games reflect that.

 

[jamdan]

Most VN devs aren't writers. They just copy other games that are popular or create something that is easy to create sexual content from. Look at the various trope threads on here, many games have nearly identical plots.

Another thing holding back the writing of these games are the fanbase themselves. If someone makes a story based game with little lewd content, they'll get called a blueballing milker. If someone makes a slow burn game, they'll get tons of comments bemoaning the lack of sexual content. And so on.

The "market" if you want to call it that rewards lower quality sex games over story based adult games.

 

[coffeeaddicted]

Most VN devs aren't writers. They just copy other games that are popular or create something that is easy to create sexual content from. Look at the various trope threads on here, many games have nearly identical plots.

Another thing holding back the writing of these games are the fanbase themselves. If someone makes a story based game with little lewd content, they'll get called a blueballing milker. If someone makes a slow burn game, they'll get tons of comments bemoaning the lack of sexual content. And so on.

The "market" if you want to call it that rewards lower quality sex games over story based adult games.

That is absolutely true.
It's like the dev can not make it right at all. He is always wrong.

I think when i started i liked certain games. AWAM is pretty good. Though there are some plots i don't like really.
This game has incest, though i never encountered it. Perhaps in a distant future there will.
The other i liked was Fashion Business. Though it fell for me in some regards, nevertheless the story is actually really good.
The speed is good balanced i think. I want to be fair to the devs.
On the other hand i did not play a lot of games. I don't have that much time to spare.
It's just a hobby and a boring now for me.
Even me, like millions before, thought i just make my own but it's really hard to make a game. So you look what people like but as i learned, you should do what you want to do and not what the crowd wants.
But even so, you most likely will be only good at one thing but not at the others. So dialog is something you got to learn. Even we speak daily but that doesn't mean you can write a dialog.
There are some smaller games that i think are great too. It really depends what your expectations are. Be ready to disappointed.
I think its probably to much of an expectations that a game here will be a true novella with interesting plots and an end that leaves questions. (This is the way i see a good movie is)
So far, the titles i mentioned are in development for years and i probably will never see the ending if there is one.

So that is that.
And yes, there is for sure there is a lot of copying because certain themes are just that. And with the constraints of legality, there is more or less a certain vanilla feel to all of them. So nothing really earth shattering. The only difference is sometimes just how great the animations are. Or how good the expressions of a character are.

I think i am ok. I rarely download a game these days. I rather toy with a render for my pleasure. More fun.

 

[Fake Smile]

I agree in part, but I don't know if it's really what the public wants what they're offering, and besides, it might be a bit of a conspiracy theory, but like all entertainment media today, there's corporate funding in these games.

Sounds like a primer to me, they all sound a lot the same. It may or may not, but I'm suspicious by nature, but I like to say that when something doesn't seem right to me nowadays, and with the recent events that are very similar around the world, where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[Fake Smile]

Funny.
But true to some extend.

I got bored with most of them a long time ago. The narrative is usually the same. I haven't seen anyone breaking a boundary but i haven't played a recent game either.

My gripe would include never ending stories as well.

As for writing itself, most games want to give the player what they want. Meaning either sex or tension. For some games this works fine, others maybe not.
I usually like the more smaller indies, if you can call them that way.

But in a sense, i compare the games to porn movies you see and this may sound harsh but a lot of stories are uninspiring. Now, i can say what i want and not everyone will agree and i have to admit, that writing a story including the dialog is a science in itself.
Not everyone can do that. It takes a lot of skills and i am not even sure i can do that.

I think that the paying customers are probably proof that people like where games go. So it's hard to argue that it isn't good. It's just not what you like.
I think it starts for me with choice and mostly there isn't a real choice. More of an illusion of choice where you get to the path by a diversion so you have had the impression that you made a choice.

Oversexualizing is the norm. It's the world we live in so games reflect that.

I agree in part, but I don't know if it's really what the public wants what they're offering, and besides, it might be a bit of a conspiracy theory, but like all entertainment media today, there's corporate funding in these games.

Sounds like a primer to me, they all sound a lot the same. It may or may not, but I'm suspicious by nature, but I like to say that when something doesn't seem right to me nowadays, and with the recent events that are very similar around the world, where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[coffeeaddicted]

I agree in part, but I don't know if it's really what the public wants what they're offering, and besides, it might be a bit of a conspiracy theory, but like all entertainment media today, there's corporate funding in these games.

Sounds like a primer to me, they all sound a lot the same. It may or may not, but I'm suspicious by nature, but I like to say that when something doesn't seem right to me nowadays, and with the recent events that are very similar around the world, where there's smoke, there's fire.

I haven't digged deep into where the money is coming from. The monetization is sometimes very opaque. Most comes surely from people that "donate". Do you have a lead in that corporate funding? I am interested.

 

[Fake Smile]

I haven't digged deep into where the money is coming from. The monetization is sometimes very opaque. Most comes surely from people that "donate". Do you have a lead in that corporate funding? I am interested.

Not really, I'm suspicious, I don't know if it's possible to trace the funding, if possible it would take time, it's a qualification I don't have yet, but everything seems very strange to me, because not everything is so simple in this world. For the time being I hope they make better productions and that in the future everything will be revealed, if there is anything to be revealed.
I just say.
There is a world behind this world.

 

[SatinAndIvory]

I agree in part, but I don't know if it's really what the public wants what they're offering, and besides, it might be a bit of a conspiracy theory, but like all entertainment media today, there's corporate funding in these games.

Yes, as an aspiring dev, my corporate overlords at my McDonald's job are funding my adult game escapades and thus control the narrative I'm pushing .

More on topic with OP, these games are pretty niche. Finding developers of these games with working knowledge in programming and art and and competence in writing is exceedingly more rare. Furthermore, combining adult content with good writing is, I'd argue, a new frontier that is still being explored. Until this industry starts putting forth some incentives for people with major skills to come forth, what you have is what you've got.

 

[Brosewood]

I agree in part, but I don't know if it's really what the public wants what they're offering, and besides, it might be a bit of a conspiracy theory, but like all entertainment media today, there's corporate funding in these games.

Sounds like a primer to me, they all sound a lot the same. It may or may not, but I'm suspicious by nature, but I like to say that when something doesn't seem right to me nowadays, and with the recent events that are very similar around the world, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Which one is more likely?

Most developers are amateurs and most people who play adult games are generally content with basic smut?

Or big corporations are funding the most low-effort games to prevent better adult games from being made, even though these games don't compete with whomever these corporations are, nor is the money they make even a drop in the bucket compared to any big corporation?

 

[Meaning Less]

There is a world behind this world.

You have been watching too much ergo proxy, it isn't that deep.

You are just late to realizing something that always has been, adult games were always cliched and oversexualied, that's the point of them...

 

[Geigi]

I don't play every game here, so I can't say that I've noticed everything that op said.

 

[Droid Productions]

Y'all Got Any More Of That Sweet Corporate Funding?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Droid Productions]

Joking aside, there is actually corporate funding in this space. It's just not going into Big Brother: Another Rehash In Space, or any of the random incest games, half-baked Unreal games or parody games.

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are going into reskinning mobile F2P bullshit and nickle-and-diming the players for porn updates. This is how *corporate* games look, because it pays a whole lot better than making story-based patreon games.

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[Icarus Media]

Yes, as an aspiring dev, my corporate overlords at my McDonald's job are funding my adult game escapades and thus control the narrative I'm pushing .

So basically we're gonna see a Mcdonalds version of this soon?

https://f95zone.to/threads/i-love-y...ickin-good-dating-simulator-v1-0-1-kfc.37407/

 

[Doorknob22]

there's corporate funding in these games.

Is this claim based on any sort of fact? Anything at all?

 

[anne O'nymous]

Is this based on any sort of fact? Anything at all?

Well, my barber got it from the sister-in-law of the cousin of his neighbor, who works as janitor for a big pharma, so I don't see why it would be false.

More seriously, what does he mean by "corporate money" ? Illusion is a company, and Winterwolf Winter is one of the few professional studio on the scene. And like Droid Productions reminded, there's Nutaku and few other websites ran by a company dedicated to adult games. It's obvious that there's "corporate money" involved in those games... since they are games made by a "corporate".
But this do not apply for the rest of the scene, therefore for the majority of the games. The worse case would be an indie creator working on his game during his payed holidays. Strictly speaking he would be payed during the time he's working on it, but it still wouldn't be the same than being payed to works on it.
I mean, with this kind of logic, why not say that there's state money on the scene ? Most European countries, but not just them, offer benefits to unemployed citizens, in order to help them until they found a new job. Anyone who would starts an adult game during this period should then be seen as being payed by the government ? It would be ridiculous thinking.

 

[VMiller]

It's very simple. People are trying to keep up with trends. But they are almost always late.

 

[TessaXYZ]

I agree in part, but I don't know if it's really what the public wants what they're offering, and besides, it might be a bit of a conspiracy theory, but like all entertainment media today, there's corporate funding in these games.

Sounds like a primer to me, they all sound a lot the same. It may or may not, but I'm suspicious by nature, but I like to say that when something doesn't seem right to me nowadays, and with the recent events that are very similar around the world, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Wait, where's my share of the corporate funding pie? This is an outrage!