What is going on with f95zone?

pk2000

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I'm just wondering what is happening on the past 6 months with the forum.

- At the beginning, no proper english translated games were allowed
Then the last 6 months months the games section was "polluted" with MTLs without a tag to distinguish/hide them, or an mtl subsection.
- Games with no sexual content starting to appear.
- "Mira and the Mysteries of Alchemy" translation request was active and shared untranslated for two years.... And when was officially and fulfilled by a member, the mods realized that violated the forum rules....
- Now games with no sexual or even erotic content like "Internet caffe simulator" start to popup in an "Adult Games" section.

What on earth is going on...???:confused:
 

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Kagura released Mira and the Mysteries of Alchemy a few days ago. Why hasn't it been released here by now?
 

anne O'nymous

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- At the beginning, no proper english translated games were allowed
Then the last 6 months months the games section was "polluted" with MTLs without a tag to distinguish/hide them, or an mtl subsection.
- Games with no sexual content starting to appear.
Those two perhaps happen more often recently, but there were always machine translated games and games with no sexual content.
If someone want to play a badly translated game, why shouldn't he be allowed to ? Especially since, some times, human made translation aren't necessarily better ; I assume that it's also the reason for the lack of tag. This said, if the translation is really this bad, it's exceptional that you don't see it mentioned in the comments of the first page. So...
As for the games with no sexual content, the forum is for adult games, not for porn games. Of course, the former imply the latter, but it don't limit to it. Plus, unless the game is finished, no sexual content at first don't mean that there will be no sexual content at all.


- "Mira and the Mysteries of Alchemy" translation request was active and shared untranslated for two years.... And when was officially and fulfilled by a member, the mods realized that violated the forum rules....
And the point is ? Moderators have others things to do than play a game in a language that they perhaps don't understand, just to see the request is valid or not.


- Now games with no sexual or even erotic content like "Internet caffe simulator" start to popup in an "Adult Games" section.
While I agree that this particular game is far away from the usual content, note that the name section is "Adult Games", then read again what I said above in my answer.
 

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While I agree that this particular game is far away from the usual content, note that the name section is "Adult Games", then read again what I said above in my answer.
A big issue is people thinking games for adults equal porn... Not necessary games containing mature topics and themes that is intended for adults and not kids...
 

pk2000

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Those two perhaps happen more often recently, but there were always machine translated games and games with no sexual content.
If someone want to play a badly translated game, why shouldn't he be allowed to ? Especially since, some times, human made translation aren't necessarily better ; I assume that it's also the reason for the lack of tag. This said, if the translation is really this bad, it's exceptional that you don't see it mentioned in the comments of the first page. So...
As for the games with no sexual content, the forum is for adult games, not for porn games. Of course, the former imply the latter, but it don't limit to it. Plus, unless the game is finished, no sexual content at first don't mean that there will be no sexual content at all.
I disagree, before 2019 some games were denied because they were not properly "translated".
For not mentioning the rule https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2020-07-23.5589/
Games / comics / others must be understandable by English speakers
About Adult and not porn. Since when?
And the point is ? Moderators have others things to do than play a game in a language that they perhaps don't understand, just to see the request is valid or not.
I partially agree (even though reviewing it should invlove viewing some images).
What I do not understand is the ergent need to delete an entire thread that existed for 2 years instead of removing the links and close it to replies to prevent future requests
While I agree that this particular game is far away from the usual content, note that the name section is "Adult Games", then read again what I said above in my answer.
And why "Internet caffe simulator" is considered and adult game? Not even steam marks it as one...
A big issue is people thinking games for adults equal porn... Not necessary games containing mature topics and themes that is intended for adults and not kids...
What is so mature about a net caffe management game? ???
 
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anne O'nymous

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I disagree, before 2019 some games were denied because they were not properly "translated".
And some were not. I really don't recommend to play it, unless the link have finally be updated with the 2019 translation, it's the worse English I ever had to witness.


About Adult and not porn. Since when?
Well, since ; note what's wrote right bellow the logo.


A big issue is people thinking games for adults equal porn...
To be fair it's at least 90% of the content, but people should really pay more attention to the "About Us" section at the back of each pages.
 

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The site cannot be more polluted than it already is, 99% of the games are trash written in what barely can be called English.

We never tried to tell people what they should or should not play, and will not start now.
 

pk2000

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Well, since ; note what's wrote right bellow the logo.
I remember the old logo. But "Internet cafe simulator" can be "considered" as adults game only because
developer comments said:
Inside the strip club there are strippers wandering around in bikinis.
You can buy private dance at the strip club. The stripper performs a provocative private dance in front of you.
The next step is to see game-mods with nude bodies, GTA4 mods or even "Meta Gear Solid" because in a seen the mc could pick in the toilet... :LOL: Because someone requested it....
The site cannot be more polluted than it already is, 99% of the games are trash written in what barely can be called English.

We never tried to tell people what they should or should not play, and will not start now.
I agree.
What I'm asking is:
- if the rules (content) of the game section have changed or or not.
- if we will see more old threads/requests get zapped instead of being locked.
 

morphnet

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Rules are posted here : https://f95zone.to/forums/site-news-announcements.19/ and are clearly marked with (updated ) along with date of update so it's easy to check which have been if any and what the new rules state.

if old or new threads / requests get deleted it's because the mods are protecting the site from illegal content which is also directly protecting us the members.

On the no sexual content issue, this site acts as a middle man of sorts, a member requests something and then another kind soul / dev hopefully fills that request and sometimes someone shares something interesting they think others will like or a dev shares their game.
Just like with kinks people don't like if it's not your thing you can just ignore it and keep looking till you find something interesting. There are not enough no-sexual content games to slow down searching and with the search function and the tag function they can be easily bypassed.

hope this helps :)
 

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1. Machine Translation DLSITE games, taking there place with partial translation
2. Some Furry/GAY games have adult content, and we can't judge on someone taste (what they like or not)
3. About proper English, 65% games are here not made by an American idol blood.
 

Astriedax

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I know it's a selfish desire, but it's how it works on other sites and makes most people happy. Also, it makes it easier to browse and find stuff.

Gay content is left on an exclusive subforum for this genre only. Both straight and gay people would have an easier time to find what they seek and less time wasted, not only that but there's also the factor of disgust. One person could just be browsing for a new game, see a gay image, and feel disgusted about it.

I don't see why non porn content couldn't follow the same principle as above. Not wanting to be a jerk or anything, but not everyone knows how to make great games, without the porn part there's almost zero reason to play any of these games, simply because they kinda suck already. Besides, we already have dedicated platforms to advertise non porn games, like Steam, GOG, Epic, etc.
I mean, why does anyone has to suffer from spam from a mostly likely inferior game, that otherwise would have brought zero interest and awareness that most people simply do not care about, which could otherwise be found in other platforms?
I mean, people on this site/forum do search for porn content inside games or games without it? I assume the answer is quite obvious.
 

morphnet

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I know it's a selfish desire, but it's how it works on other sites and makes most people happy. Also, it makes it easier to browse and find stuff.

Gay content is left on an exclusive subforum for this genre only. Both straight and gay people would have an easier time to find what they seek and less time wasted, not only that but there's also the factor of disgust. One person could just be browsing for a new game, see a gay image, and feel disgusted about it.

I don't see why non porn content couldn't follow the same principle as above. Not wanting to be a jerk or anything, but not everyone knows how to make great games, without the porn part there's almost zero reason to play any of these games, simply because they kinda suck already. Besides, we already have dedicated platforms to advertise non porn games, like Steam, GOG, Epic, etc.
I mean, why does anyone has to suffer from spam from a mostly likely inferior game, that otherwise would have brought zero interest and awareness that most people simply do not care about, which could otherwise be found in other platforms?
I mean, people on this site/forum do search for porn content inside games or games without it? I assume the answer is quite obvious.
On the gay content note, using advanced search would allow anyone not wanting that content to remove it from results.
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As for browsing a new game, seeing a gay image and being disgusted, when the page loads at the very top long before screen shots is a list of tags. It only takes a moment to look at them and see the "gay" tag.

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If a person continues scrolling down without looking at those tags, there is a second tag box and again it's before the screen shots.

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The site's layout give everyone alot of warning about the content before they can stumble on the screenshots. So if people don't take the time to use the sites features it's kind of on them.

On the no sexual content side, people can use advanced search to exclude "no sexual content" games from their results.
I mean, why does anyone has to suffer from spam from a mostly likely inferior game, that otherwise would have brought zero interest and awareness that most people simply do not care about, which could otherwise be found in other platforms?
If it "spam" is that bad then taking a moment to use the search function would be alot quicker than scrolling through the games. It would be good to remember though, that if someone took the time to upload a game with
"no sexual content" and then create a thread here then the chances are that there is at least some interest in that game and those people also have the right to have their requests / interests filled.

hope this helps
 

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On the gay content note, using advanced search would allow anyone not wanting that content to remove it from results.
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As for browsing a new game, seeing a gay image and being disgusted, when the page loads at the very top long before screen shots is a list of tags. It only takes a moment to look at them and see the "gay" tag.

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If a person continues scrolling down without looking at those tags, there is a second tag box and again it's before the screen shots.

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The site's layout give everyone alot of warning about the content before they can stumble on the screenshots. So if people don't take the time to use the sites features it's kind of on them.

On the no sexual content side, people can use advanced search to exclude "no sexual content" games from their results.
If it "spam" is that bad then taking a moment to use the search function would be alot quicker than scrolling through the games. It would be good to remember though, that if someone took the time to upload a game with
"no sexual content" and then create a thread here then the chances are that there is at least some interest in that game and those people also have the right to have their requests / interests filled.

hope this helps
Thanks for the heads up. Well, when I search for games, I click on latest updates. There's a game name, then I hover the mouse to check picks before entering. Well... Some gay games does have gay pictures. And there are some images that I'd rather not have seen.
Your solution approach would only take more navigation time. It also would remove some UI important features for decision makings, such as the number of stars, number of views, and the overall showcase of the game from the pictures, without having to enter said thread, just in a glance. It's very practical.

Edit: Btw, if you think about it, the sole reason why anybody would complain about the current system is because he's wanting to save time.
Therefore a solution that leads to spending more time doesn't solve the problem, only aggravates it.

Unless I am missing something, the latest updates, I can only select the tags that I want to see, but not remove unwanted tags.
I can include the gameplay genres, the architect (game/comic/animations), engine and time limit, but not remove.

Besides even if we did had the option to remove tags (which would still be handy), it would simply add macro time wasted every time anybody wanted to search for something.
If however gay games had their own forum, then the problem would be solved completely. People looking for gay games would find them with the exact amount of time spent but would have an exclusive selection of only gay games, therefore they would have a bigger pool to choose from without games from genres that they aren't looking for. Meaning a more cleaning experience.
Straight users won't have to deal with gay games that does spam the list, nor run on unwanted pictures.

As for non porn games. I never said they need to be excluded, I said they could use their own subforum category.
Just as the gay subforum example, but for nonporn games.
Likewise, the searching experience would be cleaner and faster to anyone looking for for non porn game. Also google and typing the name of the game would also direct to the correct thread, therefore it would have absolutely no problem to find a game, to who is already seeking for it, however, it would save slots (which could be otherwise called as spam) from who doesn't seek for this kind of games.
I don't really see how making a subforum to solve these problems would by any mean be harmful to those groups of people, quite the contrary, would make it easier for them to find what they're looking for, while also offering a more clean navigation experience as a whole.
 

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Thanks for the heads up. Well, when I search for games, I click on latest updates. There's a game name, then I hover the mouse to check picks before entering. Well... Some gay games does have gay pictures. And there are some images that I'd rather not have seen.
Your solution approach would only take more navigation time. It also would remove some UI important features for decision makings, such as the number of stars, number of views, and the overall showcase of the game from the pictures, without having to enter said thread, just in a glance. It's very practical.

Edit: Btw, if you think about it, the sole reason why anybody would complain about the current system is because he's wanting to save time.
Therefore a solution that leads to spending more time doesn't solve the problem, only aggravates it.

Unless I am missing something, the latest updates, I can only select the tags that I want to see, but not remove unwanted tags.
I can include the gameplay genres, the architect (game/comic/animations), engine and time limit, but not remove.

Besides even if we did had the option to remove tags (which would still be handy), it would simply add macro time wasted every time anybody wanted to search for something.
If however gay games had their own forum, then the problem would be solved completely. People looking for gay games would find them with the exact amount of time spent but would have an exclusive selection of only gay games, therefore they would have a bigger pool to choose from without games from genres that they aren't looking for. Meaning a more cleaning experience.
Straight users won't have to deal with gay games that does spam the list, nor run on unwanted pictures.

As for non porn games. I never said they need to be excluded, I said they could use their own subforum category.
Just as the gay subforum example, but for nonporn games.
Likewise, the searching experience would be cleaner and faster to anyone looking for for non porn game. Also google and typing the name of the game would also direct to the correct thread, therefore it would have absolutely no problem to find a game, to who is already seeking for it, however, it would save slots (which could be otherwise called as spam) from who doesn't seek for this kind of games.
I don't really see how making a subforum to solve these problems would by any mean be harmful to those groups of people, quite the contrary, would make it easier for them to find what they're looking for, while also offering a more clean navigation experience as a whole.
I'm afraid you are incorrect, using the search function does not remove "some UI important features for decision makings, such as the number of stars, number of views, and the overall showcase of the game from the pictures, without having to enter said thread" the only thing it does remove is the additional tags and images, which if you added your dislikes to the ignore list means the list you are viewing should have what you searched for.
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red marks replies and blue marks stars / reviews, those without stars have no reviews.

There's a game name, then I hover the mouse to check picks before entering. Well... Some gay games does have gay pictures. And there are some images that I'd rather not have seen.
As for adding gay and non sexual games to their own subforum, as they are games and get updates they would still show up in the lastest updates list so you would still end up seeing them there. Unless you are saying that once given their own subforum that they only appear there and are not added to the "Latest Updates" page? If that's not what you are saying then my advice still seems to fit and will only take a few extra minutes and these would be spent reading reviews or comments anyways to find out about bug problems or update issues or help with tricky parts in the game and come with the added bonus of not seeing images you'd rather not see.
 

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I'm afraid you are incorrect, using the search function does not remove "some UI important features for decision makings, such as the number of stars, number of views, and the overall showcase of the game from the pictures, without having to enter said thread" the only thing it does remove is the additional tags and images, which if you added your dislikes to the ignore list means the list you are viewing should have what you searched for.
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As for adding gay and non sexual games to their own subforum, as they are games and get updates they would still show up in the lastest updates list so you would still end up seeing them there. Unless you are saying that once given their own subforum that they only appear there and are not added to the "Latest Updates" page? If that's not what you are saying then my advice still seems to fit and will only take a few extra minutes and these would be spent reading reviews or comments anyways to find out about bug problems or update issues or help with tricky parts in the game and come with the added bonus of not seeing images you'd rather not see.
I agree that this is a solution, but still. I do prefer the latest update UI in general. I think being able to see pictures beforehand is valuable. Also knowing the number of views the thread has, helps to know if it's a recent release or it's an older game, and also helps to know how much traction it had.
Removing tags is only beneficial to absolutely hatred themes, but there are categories that can fallen in between, depending on how good the content creator is.
I believe everyone here has played awesome incest games, but equally awful incest games. Meaning the exclusion of this tag probably won't solve anything for most users. Well, accessing the initial data that I have previously described can give insight about the game's quality. Pictures (renders, model, background, text), overall tags (story direction) does give a better idea than entering the same thread blindly. More UI info is always better than less.
I simply think the UI from latest updates is superior.

Well. these subforums could be divided into "straight, gay and nonporn" the last updates from each subforum category shall only portrait the group that each game falls into. It would function as a sort of barrier but also as a search facilitator at same time.
The principle of this function would be, person enter f95zone, select for instance "nonporn" subforum, then click on latest updates, then only nonporn games would be available. It's just a small pre research configuration and nothing more. This sort of research field is used already on most adult porn sites, it's nothing new nor experimental neither.

That said maybe there's a better solution to the problem, maybe something else could be done. However, I don't think prefer the research UI over latest updates for a quick of the new games and updates. The search function is meant to help to find specific games from a category, that's a very different intent for the tool.
 

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I will try to give a better example.
Say I use the research function. It selected "Sex Gods" as one of the possible threads.
It has corruption and lesbian, I like both features, it also has 3.5 stars, sounds promising. Then I enter said thread... Then I'd have just wasted my time, because I cannot stand the art style and the overall plot. Even though it doesn't necessarily have any tag that I dislike, I would still never play this game.
Meaning I'd have to memorize every single tag that I may dislike, even then for example "monster" I have played a few very good games with this tag, although the majority doesn't appeal to me, I don't personally want to exclude this tag, because I know it comes down to who is developing the game and not the tag itself.
Another flaw from the research is, if you ignore a thread, it would still appear in the research.

Honestly, it's a nonbrainer, the last update is a much superior tool to find new games and updates.
Research is meant to research a specific game, or a specific category when someone is looking for something that doesn't remember the name or doesn't know if it exists or not.
Both tools are meant to be used to completely different reasons.
 

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I will try to give a better example.
Say I use the research function. It selected "Sex Gods" as one of the possible threads.
It has corruption and lesbian, I like both features, it also has 3.5 stars, sounds promising. Then I enter said thread... Then I'd have just wasted my time, because I cannot stand the art style and the overall plot. Even though it doesn't necessarily have any tag that I dislike, I would still never play this game.
Meaning I'd have to memorize every single tag that I may dislike, even then for example "monster" I have played a few very good games with this tag, although the majority doesn't appeal to me, I don't personally want to exclude this tag, because I know it comes down to who is developing the game and not the tag itself.
Another flaw from the research is, if you ignore a thread, it would still appear in the research.

Honestly, it's a nonbrainer, the last update is a much superior tool to find new games and updates.
Research is meant to research a specific game, or a specific category when someone is looking for something that doesn't remember the name or doesn't know if it exists or not.
Both tools are meant to be used to completely different reasons.
You would not have to memorize every single tag you dislike, you have only mentioned gay and no sexual content and said you want them to have their own subforums, so you would only need to add those 2 to the leave out list. On the example you mentioned, you would have to go to the gay subforum anyway because lesbian would be under "gay" unless you are saying only games with male on male should go to the gay subforum?
You are also not taking into account all the games that have gay content and straight content, below are the 3 first in the list games i found in search using gay, milf, incest as tags. Where would you have those? in the straight, gay or have a 4th subforum for mixed gay/straight games?

https://f95zone.to/threads/life-of-desmond-v0-13-badvado.63842/
https://f95zone.to/threads/blackmailing-the-family-v0-02-warped-minds-productions.61053/
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-dragons-request-v1-01-large-battleship-studios.53216/

But lets say that the site mods/owners decides to make those 2 subforums, what happens when people ask that NTR or graphic violence games get their own subforum because it disgusts them? Then incest and futa/trans, then.... where do they draw the line?

You said you did not want to see gay content, you want to see reviews/stars, views, pictures and plot. The last picture i shared under the title gives a good part of the overview/ plot, reviews/stars, replies and can be sorted by date the only thing it's missing is pictures and views, opening the page and scrolling to gallery section would only take a second (depending on your internet speed) and the "Latest updates" thumbnails don't give a game plot/overview so you would still have to open the page to read about storyline/overall plot which is one to the sources of information you said you needed to decide if you would play the game so either way with the search or "Latest Updates" pages you would still have to open the thread page, the search function is guaranteed not to show you gay or non sexual content unlike the "Latest Updates" page.