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I don't get the appeal of unrealistically large boobs and butt
With as many games out there that center around this particular stereotype, I'm actually surprised how poorly it is doing on the ranking.
I don't get the appeal of unrealistically large boobs and butt
I'm sorry that this thread hasn't been helpful to you but I have actually found it quite enlightening. My aim here is not to find out what every individuals preference are but to see what the ratios of interest in the various physical archetypes that I have seen in existing VNs these days.This is a stupid question to ask. You are going to get as many different answers as there are people who respond. All this covers is appearance.
Loli uber alles, uber alles en der verlt!
Seriously though, lolis are always welcome, as are tomboys, well toned girls, redheads, dark-skinned girls with white or black hair... Honestly, pretty much all are good, except for 50+ or comically oversized body parts.
It's definitely something worth being concerned about. Unfortunately, this is a topic that many localities frown heavily upon.I considered adding loli as a character type to the poll and while animation featuring underage characters is (last time I checked) legal in my country, I am sure that other countries have different views. The last thing I want to do is make a VN that ends up sending someone to jail.
With that being said, it could be ignorance/fear on my part. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong!
You know there is already published information on the demographics of readers such as book and visual novel and stuff like Manga... The vast majority of reader tend to like characters they can associate with or want to imagine themselves as.I'm sorry that this thread hasn't been helpful to you but I have actually found it quite enlightening. My aim here is not to find out what every individuals preference are but to see what the ratios of interest in the various physical archetypes that I have seen in existing VNs these days.
While I agree with you that the character's physical appearance should match their personality, it's helpful to know what kind of character the majority of players would enjoy. Based on the current poll results, I can clearly decide that it might not be in my best interest to make a VN centered around an elderly futa couple. While I am sure there are people out there that would enjoy such a VN, based on the data in the poll, I would be worried about it being able support me financially enough that I could continue to make it.
A story revolving around younger characters with average to muscular body types would appeal to a larger audience on the whole. If I adjust my story so it caters to said audience, it would mean more patreons supporting my story. More patreon supporters means I have incentive to keep working on the VN and can make them faster, due mainly to my ability to reduce or even eliminate having to rely on a regular job.
The worst thing for a VN developer to do is spend hundreds or thousands of labor hours on developing a story that generates little to no interest. It's one reason why so few VN's make it past their first few chapters. There are other reasons, like real life, but that goes back to not getting enough fans interested in helping support the developer. If a developer isn't getting enough (or any) help financially via patreon or wherever, there's no incentive for them to continue pouring hour after hour, day after day, month after month of painstaking effort into making a VN.
VN's are a b*tch to develop. So, at least in my mind, obtaining information that can actually help me cater my VN's to a larger audience then I'm that much more incentivized to continue working on them.
So why even does this forum exist if your answer to everything is “google it”? I want to engage with a community of people that are discussing VN’s. I didn’t realize doing so would get members of this community so butthurt.You know there is already published information on the demographics of readers such as book and visual novel and stuff like Manga... The vast majority of reader tend to like characters they can associate with or want to imagine themselves as.
So you aren't really learning anything that you couldn't just found an answer to with a google search.
The short answer is if you want to appeal to the widest audience of readers of this type you write a story about a male age 18 to 26. 18 being the legal low limit of characters because of the laws around creating porn. The industry might not admit it but there are plenty of minors playing these games. Just out of high school or in college. Or trying to deal with there first income and becoming an adult. That's why there are so many games of that type already.
This forum also isn't representative of the general populace in what it likes and doesn't like. An example of how that can be pornhub supposedly has a 75% male and 25% female demographic. That's different from the rest of the internet regarding porn which is 90 / 10. Here we tend to see a lot more people who like certain fetish and so on.
Soo, you’re saying that the best thing to do as a producer of VN’s is to do your research? Plan out your VN’s and find out what the community wants? Make a good story that people will enjoy based on feedback you received from oh, I dont know... polls? And with that plan complete a story?One thing I notice when it comes to patreon the people providing the money are catching on. They realize the people who rare complete products and or create shit products tend to be those who don't have a planned out story and so on to start with and are basically flying by the seat of their pants and just trying to add one scene on top of another. That usually results in shit.
I actually find the full spectrum of muscle attractive. My issue is that the art is often badly done. I could play this game all day:I think it depends on how you define muscular. I would bet for women, most people are thinking well toned and athletic, not someone with bigger muscles than most guys.
You know what? Thanks for that link. I'll check it out! (I'm actually being genuine here, I'm not above rejecting any help)Lets say you find this one here: ...
No, no you weren't. You were being an arse. I know it. You know it. If you really wanted to help someone, you don't start off your messages by saying something like:Hint: When I said stupid I was being nice.
dude.. you're probably right on most accounts, but please, remember Wheaton's law.The fact you think a person's time on this site is in anyways indicative of their experience and knowledge that isn't related to this site gives me serious doubts you could ever create any sort of story or game worth anyone's time.
So a community that is built around pirating software / games has more insight into game development than the actual industry researchers of the adult industry developers who's livelihoods and fortunes balance on it.
What I was trying to point out there are more accurate sources than trying to pull this type of information from a community that is heavily biased in various ways and not exactly representative of the general community of people who play adult games.
Take for example there are lot more people who like futa and ntr in this community vs the adult game players in general. That's just an example.
Lets look at your solution:
You are going to ask a question on a site that the populace of it isn't exactly representative of the adult game player community in general. Of that populace only a fraction will answer this post and so the data is even more skewed. And that's the shit you want to use to plan with.
Hint: When I said stupid I was being nice.
A person with some intelligence might have asked for sources of the information and if there was any methods currently in process that are effectively live sources of the information on trends and so on. Even if you do figure out all the sources you are stuck looking at data from this point forward because you haven't looked at it for the last year or several years or more.
Lets say you find this one here:You must be registered to see the links
You haven't followed these games over the last couple years and paid attention to the comments they made over that time to see what their development process was.
That however isn't going to give you game trends like what the players want. This site here could in a way be a sign of game trends if you where able to look at say the downloads of the games per month and how many people play it. The question is are you looking at long term trend or short term, is the site indicative of the rest of the market in general? Then maybe you could look at more sites that sell adult games or even just have them up to play.
Maybe, you could find a clearing house for that data or a site that took the time to accumulate it and publish that information.
Honestly, given your response above I seriously doubt you could find this let alone complete a decent enough story to make it worth anyone's time.
Why are sources like this important to me well I'm a developer of a different nature. Imagine you want to create a product that various studios can use to stream line the process of making games and reduce if not cut out many of the issues. Well that's just one aspect of my business.
But don't worry I won't bother trying to point you in a better direction any more. Like the old saying says, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." I wasted way to much time responding to you. Yep, in fact I'm going to create a new rule for myself. If I see someone post something stupid I'm just going to assume from now on they are to stupid to learn and not bother replying to correct them. Fuck it let the idiots fail.
Yep, I could have handled it better. 20/20 hindsight.You know what? Thanks for that link. I'll check it out! (I'm actually being genuine here, I'm not above rejecting any help)
No, no you weren't. You were being an arse. I know it. You know it. If you really wanted to help someone, you don't start off your messages by saying something like:
"This post is stupid. You're stupid. I'm the only one here that knows anything and everyone else are idiots..."
Instead, if you had posted something like:
"Hey, you are looking for some data regarding VN's? Check out some of these links I'll provide. Hope they help! Good luck on your VN!"
And I would have said:
"Wow! Thanks! That's great! I really appreciate it! You're awesome!"
And everyone would be happy! Instead you decided to activate "aNgRy TrOlL Im bEsT oN ThE nEt!" mode. So be it. If you want to post any more links to sites. Great! I'd be happy to check them out. If you want to continue you internet ranting, well I'm pretty much finished with that phase of our conversation so maybe find another thread to vent that pent up anger on.
Toodles!
Hey, I honestly really appreciate that. Thanks! Of course, it takes two to tango and I'm not above admitting returning a little snark. So here is my apology to you and anyone else that may have gotten offended by my comments.Yep, I could have handled it better. 20/20 hindsight.
So I'll go ahead and apologize now for those who read through my tirade.
To each their own. She's too muscular for me. I'd be much more likely to go for a chick like this who would run my ass into the ground and light a fire under me to get my ass to the gym:I actually find the full spectrum of muscle attractive. My issue is that the art is often badly done. I could play this game all day:
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Frankly, I am surprised that the response rate (42%) for muscular is as high as it is.I think I may need to do another poll just on muscular body types lol
I have a feeling that depends on their relative scarcity overall... most games have big titted, milf, runway model and gneric hot babe covered. maybe people are angling for something that isn't as prevalent.Frankly, I am surprised that the response rate (42%) for muscular is as high as it is.