when do you think its ok for game to put NTR in it ?

[khumak]

I'm with Dawncry on this one. If it's part of the backstory before the player had any control and it's just a memory of something that already happened then that's fine. If it's something the player very clearly did something to deserve then it's fine. If the whole game is focused on that theme then it's fine if it's unavoidable but that should be pretty clear from the beginning. She's going to cheat on you no matter what. Some people are into that, but it should not come as a surprise.

If the game implies that the wife/GF is not out to cheat on you no matter what then NTR should not be unavoidable. It should also not be something you can accidently stumble into. One wrong answer to some choice where the consequences are not very clear should not trigger it. Some trivial "infraction" by MC should not trigger it. Unless the game is premised on MC's SO being a complete slut it should not feel like she's just dying to fuck every guy she meets unless MC spends every waking moment trying to prevent it. It's fine if MC's SO is a total slut as long as that's not really a surprise.

 

[Hagatagar]

Are the developers creating a game to satisfy the players or to tell a story?
With the latter, yes, it's fine to put NTR into it.

If you have a one time trigger to get a girl and the player misses it, it's also fine. Although that's not even NTR.
I've seen players get angry because a girl whose route they didn't even follow got a boyfriend.

If you put it in just to be a dick or to anger the player, it's not fine.

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[woody554]

are there any examples of NPCs fucking 'your girls' without it enraging sane-ish people who don't enjoy it? specifically I'm looking for the sort of non-ntr 'ntr' examples.

for me the limit goes in that I don't want to be railroaded into watching some other guy fucking My Girl. romantic rivalry seems okay. as do husbands etc. but if and only if I'm never forced to watch them fucking.

if eric hadn't been shown doing all the stuff he did, I don't think I would've been triggered. obvious he'd still get the boot as early as possible, but because he'd be an obstacle to my goals, not because of getting rid of ntr scenes.

the dad in milfy city is fine. although he gets no sex so not ntr. but just his agreeable character makes him totally tolerable, and even pity inducing. I think that one would even work if the mom occasionally gave him some. provided I don't have to see it.

the real problem for us non-ntr people is that ntr opens a vast number of effective plot possibilities even in a very static story setting, but using them kills the game for us. it has similar in-built dynamism as incest has. you can throw incest or ntr into ANYTHING and at least you instantly have a story. they're like the sex-version of "suddenly a man holding a gun enters the room."

 

[DawnCry]

woody554 , overall here we have the conflict of the issue, fans of NTR would want to see the scenes, while those that dislike them don't wanna see them, then to end there are people like me that gives 0 care related to that because I only care about the competition aspect.

Overall I have found a few games that perhaps would be acceptable in the way they use NTR for you, for example the game leane of legitimate crown, in this one your female officers can be captured and raped, but you don't see any scene unless you use a magic crystal that will show it to you if you want.

But personally I would just add a "skip scene" and be done with it in that situation.

Are the developers creating a game to satisfy the players or to tell a story?
With the latter, yes, it's fine to put NTR into it.

If you have a one time trigger to get a girl and the player misses it, it's also fine. Although that's not even NTR.
I've seen players get angry because a girl whose route they didn't even follow got a boyfriend.

If you put it in just to be a dick or to anger the player, it's not fine.

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I would have totally played that harvest moon, ironically it bothers me more in games that I can only follow 1 character route but all of them have so much shit and psychological traumas that I can't help to think "you only show me the happy part, because the other characters that I didn't help are truly messed up", in fact I truly wished that all the girls would get boyfriends and solve their traumas rather than me getting a happy ending with one and knowing how much shit they back in the back.

 

[Adabelitoo]

I highly differ with most of the comments so far. For me the right moment to add Netorare (or bestiality, incest, monster girls, whatever) is whenever you feel is the right moment and that's it. There are a lot of things I could say but I'm gonna keep it short for netorare.

1) In the same way that I don't like when a dev says that he "will add genres according to what people want" I also don't like when a dev has to ask for permission to add genres. This game is your story, tell players your story as it is, let players love it or hate it as it is. You will eventually find your own public regarding of the content you add.
2) Most people don't even know what Netorare actually is and they just scream "NTR alert" whenever they see something that don't please them. I've seen that happening in a lot of different situations and the only thing they had in common was that there was an angry dude behind a pc ranting, most of the times for something that he could avoid and/or understand if he at least read the dialogue.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's a great thing for a dev to ask for feedback on how to make the game more enjoyable for all, the thing is that the line in between "making a game better" and "making this same game better" is very thin and it's super okay if a game isn't enjoyable for all. Every game has its own story, its own subjects and genres and its own audience.

In any case, if most of the comments weren't what you were expecting and/or feel very uneasy about the subject, I would highly recommend you to entirely avoid NTR. Just having that tag on your game will get you lots of hate and shit from players, even from people who didn't play your game. No matter how much you warn players about it, somehow some people will still miss all the signs and blame you about it. Netorare is interpreted as a super heavy topic here so be sure to really want to do it before actually doing it.

 

[Deleted member 229118]

As others pointed out:
If the dev's believe there is a reason too.

Then there is the problem with ntr being miss interperet.
To a lot of people any sex scene between a victem and a none main character male is considered ntr.
This is false.
Ntr is design to invoke jelousy.

For example: Seeing your father fuck your mother isnt ntr.
It is just two people fucking.
Now seeing your son fuck your wife and making her his plaything.
That would be ntr.
Because the intent is clearly to hurt the father in the prosses.

Now personaly(and i think a lot of people share this point of view)
Ntr as an optinal part of the story is fine.
As a failure condition is fine.

For example: I felt bad chucking the dad in the tyrant.
I mean sure i fuck all the woman but seeing him get hurt makes me feel sad.
For some reasons i just dont like hurting man in these types of games.
I mind break woman all day but hurting men seems wrong.
I am wierd i know.

On the other hand cheating with the woman and keeping her husband in the dark adds the thrill of the risk of getting caught.

It is all about the very simple question:
Does ntr enhance my game?
Yes?
Do it.
No?
Dont do it.

People like me want the feeling of conquest.
The feeling that we got the fucktoy.
Getting them to break up with her current boyfriend.
Sleeping with them behind there husbands back.
Having an affair with your daughter while keeping your wife in the dark.

All these things are fun because at there core:
You have a risk of losing.
A risk.
Not a garrutee.
If the game forces a but thou must on me it will end up deleted.
Any game.
Not just porn games.
I really hate forcing defeat on me without giving me the tools to prevent it.

 

[Scapest]

When it's on the premise of the game, so people who don't like won't play, the whole problem with NTR, it's like a lot of developers only put NTR when the game is already with a lot of updates, then they do only to praise some people, but the initial game who brought players there wasn't any NTR content, so thats the problem.

 

[215303j]

are there any examples of NPCs fucking 'your girls' without it enraging sane-ish people who don't enjoy it? specifically I'm looking for the sort of non-ntr 'ntr' examples.

In Lancaster Boarding House there was a red-headed girl. Depending on the path you take, you'll see her fucking your "rival". You had the opportunity to join them in a MMF threesome.
That scene didn't enrage me because she was not my main girl anyway, although it did surprise me as I thought she was way too shy to do something like that. But considering that we already had a MFF threesome with her, the MC and the main girl.... *shrugh*...

In Mid-Life Crisis you have the choice to share your wife in the future. Considering how many girls you banged at that point, her request seemed fair to me... Why should the MC be able to act as a total slut but still demand absolute faithfullness from all his partners?

The common thing between these two situations is: they make sense within the context.

But in general, unless you make very clear in the beginning that the game is about cucking, cheating or swinging and nothing else, then the NTR should always be fully avoidable.

if eric hadn't been shown doing all the stuff he did, I don't think I would've been triggered. obvious he'd still get the boot as early as possible, but because he'd be an obstacle to my goals, not because of getting rid of ntr scenes.

The interesting thing with Eric was that he was the main driver behind the game.
"Must keep Eric from fucking Lisa and Alice" (those two in particular, Kira was a slut and Ann was his legitimate girlfriend) was as much a goal as "Must fuck all girls before Eric gets to them".
After removing Eric, the goal was simply "Must fuck all the girls". Boring, in my opinion.

Also the fact that "Eric" has become a porn game trope in itself says a lot about the impact that character had on the entire "industry".

 

[215303j]

When it's on the premise of the game, so people who don't like won't play, the whole problem with NTR, it's like a lot of developers only put NTR when the game is already with a lot of updates, then they do only to praise some people, but the initial game who brought players there wasn't any NTR content, so thats the problem.

I think the whole problem of NTR is the jealousy factor.

If I expect the girls to cheat on the MC: no jealousy
If I am not into the girls that much: no jealousy
If I am really into a certain girl and she seems faithful to the MC, but suddenly isn't: BAM! Jealousy!

Personally I could play the first two for the hot scenes, but the third one is definately a very hard NO! from my side.

 

[redsling]

after v0.4 let players have a chance to get attached to the character, then wham

O so you wanna be EVIL EVIL lmaooo

 

[aattss]

Adding NTR is the same as adding femdom or vore or scat or guro. Let people know what fetishes are in the game, and if you want to let the player customize which fetishes they encounter then make it clear and convenient how to activate or deactivate those fetishes.

If you understand that people who don't like the specific flavor of NTR you're adding won't be interested in your game, and it's clear not just from the tags but also from the title/summary/blatant and clear warning message that the game has or will have unavoidable NTR, then there's nothing whatsoever wrong with adding unavoidable NTR.

As for avoidable NTR, it's possible to attract people who don't like NTR only if the non-NTR content and gameplay is as robust as the NTR stuff, and if it is clear how to avoid the NTR for people who don't want that. As in, add a setting to turn the NTR off, or give guides and difficulty options where relevant.

 

[the_observant]

The short answer is never. The only legally allowed form of ntr in lewd gaming is when you're the one doing the cucking.

Completely agreed

 

[the_observant]

Adding NTR is the same as adding femdom or vore or scat or guro. Let people know what fetishes are in the game, and if you want to let the player customize which fetishes they encounter then make it clear and convenient how to activate or deactivate those fetishes.

If you understand that people who don't like the specific flavor of NTR you're adding won't be interested in your game, and it's clear not just from the tags but also from the title/summary/blatant and clear warning message that the game has or will have unavoidable NTR, then there's nothing whatsoever wrong with adding unavoidable NTR.

As for avoidable NTR, it's possible to attract people who don't like NTR only if the non-NTR content and gameplay is as robust as the NTR stuff, and if it is clear how to avoid the NTR for people who don't want that. As in, add a setting to turn the NTR off, or give guides and difficulty options where relevant.

Yep, don't force players to play one way stories where NTR(including pseudo-NTR where the girls that MC has emotional attachments are NTR-ed by others) is not avoidable.

 

[mrmcfappen]

Time-wise? Put it as early as you like. In fact, imagine this, the game starts with two people fucking near the outside pool of the house and after the man finishes he says to the woman 'Where did you say your husband is at this hour?' she replies 'Fuck that spineless loser' then the camera turns towards the house and there is the mc hiding in the shadows crying his eyes out, then the prompt for entering a name would come up.

 

[Deleted member 2466386]

For me it's ok to put it in when it's actually make sense in the game, I personally don't like it when all of sudden the main female protagonist just start making out(whether forcibly or not) with a random NPC without any reason.

NTR is enjoyable for many reasons and one of that is to slowly watch the main female protag getting corrupted and slowly giving it to pleasure without her boyfriend/husband knowing it.

 

[Techn0magier]

I have a question, the MC (no matter if male, female or land mower) fools around with several NPCs.
Now the MC sneaks out/comes back from a party (the kind of party is part of your imagination).
There is still light in the parent's bedroom (happy marriage). If the MC would take a peek through the keyhole/outside window, would you consider an appearing sex scene between the married couple NTR?

 

[Adabelitoo]

I have a question, the MC (no matter if male, female or land mower) fools around with several NPCs.
Now the MC sneaks out/comes back from a party (the kind of party is part of your imagination).
There is still light in the parent's bedroom (happy marriage). If the MC would take a peek through the keyhole/outside window, would you consider an appearing sex scene between the married couple NTR?

The usual NTRhater will tell you that it is, call a cuck to anyone who disagrees with him and claim his superior alpha male medal.

Imo, it isn't. A lot of people automatically thinks that everything that has a hole must end on MC's dick and if that doesn't happens is NTR. People has different opinions on what NTR is but I think the most basic thing we should all agree is that the girl in question must at least have a reason why she should be "loyal" to you like being your girlfriend/wife (that and the MC must be the one bothered by it, not the player).

The mother in a scene like you describe doesn't have any reason why to be loyal to you, she is doing her thing with her husband, nothing crazy on that. The same applies if we see the girl the MC always had a crush on (but never dared to speak with her) fucking with her bf. She probably doesn't even know that MC exists in the first place. Why she should be loyal to MC? Why MC thinks of it as a betrayal? It doesn't make sense.

Regarding the mother, maybe we could think of it as NTR if both of them (the MC and mom) already developed some level of feelings when that scene happens, but at the same time you're dealing with a married woman and she is married to no other than your father, you already know what you may be getting into. If someone doesn't like that scene I totally understand but if someone complains about it I think it's kinda stupid.

 

[Techn0magier]

That is, why I wrote, that the two have a happy marriage. I too think that this shouldn't be considered vanilla NTR, I don't know if there is some sub-genre, where the feeling was one-sided.
The scene I have in mind is regardless of the feelings the couple has as parents towards the MC, Showing a happy couple delving into their marital bliss, and nothing else.
I strongly believe, that primary and secondary characters should have wants and needs besides the plot or the goals of the MC. That gives them depth and fleshes them out. I would be laughing if those self-proclaimed alphas were also the ones, that were going berserk and yell that the NPCs feel like flat paper cut-outs when they get their wishes granted.

 

[Asia Argento]

I prefer a lack thereof of run-on sentences. Punctuation is a wonderful thing. It helps people understand you and not grow crosseyed after 10 words.

I personally hate “first person NTR” when a game tries to make YOU feel NTR/Netorare... BUT I enjoy scenarios like President Yukino, where NTR happens but NTR is the fetish of the co-protag and all... and he goes down the corruption tubes with his lady. Tbh, I like the slut ending of Yukino... It is quality NTR but Branded Azel where they give you the chance to name the blacksmith and you subsequently get NTR’d within a few scenes by the ugly bastard in the bar... Not my cup of coffee.

 

[Virulenz]

Never.
Games with NTR are only playable if the NTR is 100% avoidable, anything else is just deko for the trash bin.
I dont want my girls defiled by guys and i dont want to steal used sluts from others.
I dont have anything agains sharing girls with other girls as long as it stays just for fun, but this whole jealousy, messing up releationships and forced shit just makes me sick.