Which game has the smartest Main Character?

[anne O'nymous]

From what I know of Annie, apology wouldn't save him, nor would anything else. At that point, he was a threat, and opportunity to be eliminated has presented itself.

I didn't thought about Annie, she isn't the one offended. But obviously Annie should be a witness of those apologies. And the threat can be removed relatively easily :
"I know that I've been a jerk. I didn't expected you to take this seriously, but I also shouldn't have gone this far. I don't have excuse, except this fucking mission. I mean, the V wasn't ready for it and isn't working fine yet. This while I wasn't planed on the mission until the last minute. All this stressed me, and the way I tried to deal with this stress wasn't the good way to break the ice that it seemed to be in my head. I'm not like that usually, and I hope that, before the end of the mission, you'll have more proof of this than you need."

All a consequence of player's actions, of course.

I agree. But shouldn't a smart MC be smarter that the player, and do everything he can to save his ass, despite the stupid guy who decide for him ?

 

[Akamari]

I didn't thought about Annie, she isn't the one offended. But obviously Annie should be a witness of those apologies. And the threat can be removed relatively easily :
"I know that I've been a jerk. I didn't expected you to take this seriously, but I also shouldn't have gone this far. I don't have excuse, except this fucking mission. I mean, the V wasn't ready for it and isn't working fine yet. This while I wasn't planed on the mission until the last minute. All this stressed me, and the way I tried to deal with this stress wasn't the good way to break the ice that it seemed to be in my head. I'm not like that usually, and I hope that, before the end of the mission, you'll have more proof of this than you need."

Sorry, I can't see that working at all. When he's outside to fix the air brake, Sarah is on the bridge and out of equation. The communication is between him and Annie.

He was trying to blackmail her friend. That's not just being a jerk and not something you can excuse by stress. This is calculated and serious. If you take into account that Annie's biggest pet peeve are asshole officers, and this goes far beyond that, I'm pretty sure an apology wouldn't cut it.

I agree. But shouldn't a smart MC be smarter that the player, and do everything he can to save his ass, despite the stupid guy who decide for him ?

Technically yes, if the "player" part of his brain decides to do something stupid he should try to make the best out of the situation, but in this case it was too late. At the same time, however, he should NEVER question player's orders. Player's authority is absolute.

 

[vneotpolemus]

Simon from The Last Sovereign.

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[Volta]

Simon is a good call, he knows his shit but i'd say that it's equal parts experience and intelligence, definetly smarter than average though by good margin.

Most of the DeLuca characters come across as smarter than average, but they have to be sharp, it's a crime family, if you're not sharp you're dead. Both of the MC's from Philly's games are smarter than average IMO, they still get blindsided now and then but they aren't just brainless prosthetic dicks like like most MC's, hell a lot of his characters are smarter than average, i guess that is a benefit of characters that are a little deeper in general.

on the other hand you have you ICSTOR style MC's, yeah, i doubt i need to explain but that last milf city update had me in fits with the whole "stick a taser in in her and she'll love you for life" thing, Judy is the only character with enough sense to get through life in that game and she's gonna leave some chaos in her wake while she does it.

 

[vneotpolemus]

Simon is a good call, he knows his shit but i'd say that it's equal parts experience and intelligence, definetly smarter than average though by good margin.

Most of the DeLuca characters come across as smarter than average, but they have to be sharp, it's a crime family, if you're not sharp you're dead. Both of the MC's from Philly's games are smarter than average IMO, they still get blindsided now and then but they aren't just brainless prosthetic dicks like like most MC's, hell a lot of his characters are smarter than average, i guess that is a benefit of characters that are a little deeper in general.

Got a point on experience being a big part of Simon's effectiveness. Still, he's an outright expert at military strategy and foreign affairs, can keep up with specialists in economics and politics, and has a solid grounding in religious doctrine and magical theory. It clearly took study and practice, but you don't get there without brains.

Given the direction the game's headed DeLuca MC will presumably have to be sharp, but so far I don't think he's done much to demonstrate it yet. DA MC seemed more gutsy than brilliant to me, his talent was that he just didn't stop. Agree that CoBD MC is above average.

H5 MC comes off as a rational (although potentially amoral) adult who's competent at his job, which is not the case in many games. Again I'd say its too early to call him really intelligent though.

 

[215303j]

they have to be sharp, it's a crime family, if you're not sharp you're dead.

Actually most gangsta's don't come across as having an IQ of more than, say, 70.
Even old skool Italian Maffia doesn't come off as that smart or professional, usually.

Back to topic:
The MC from Our Fate is fairly intelligent
Kelly from Intimate Relations (I do count her as MC by now) is also pretty smart (and determined).
Jensen from Retrieving the Past is also a good candidate.

Generally speaking though, I do think that evil MC's have more chances to show off their intelligence in games compared to good guys. Manipulation and deceit require intelligence, and eventually gets the girls. Romance also requires some intelligence but it's less obvious.

 

[ShangTsung]

Max from Big Brother is the True Mastermind.

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[Duke Greene]

Steins;Gate.

 

[Tanwise]

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who wants a game where the MC has common sense and isn't pouting about not getting laid or drooling over every girl around him. It would be really nice if there were NO inner dialogue, or at the very least just snippets of thoughts. On top of that: games where the NPC's treat the MC with respect and those games involving close friends and family (especially the girls show the MC deep fondness or at the very least not insulting or degrading remarks). Male NPC's showing gratitude or just equal respect.

It's fine that everyone has different kinks, but I've only come across a few games where the MC is treated with respect, fondness, and has some common sense.


Why so games purposefully treat the MC like a doormat to be stomped on, is beyond me! It's like the game developers are telling their audience; "Ok, you can have a porn game! But in return of you playing as the MC, we get to chastize and insult you at every turn and you have to accept that!" Each time I come across this (before deleting the game), that's the way I picture the developers. Either that or there are a lot of copy cat developers out there, unwilling to try a more balanced approach, without any belittling or insulting dialogue and/or situations.

Any MC that isn't constantly worried about having a boner or have obsessive thoughts about creeping on women is sufficiently smart enough for me not to get annoyed...

It also helps if he has more actual dialogue than inner monologue to show that he's not a complete social moron.

 

[215303j]

Why so games purposefully treat the MC like a doormat to be stomped on, is beyond me!

Maybe it is due to the fact that many games choose the premise of a 18 y.o. virgin boy who lives with his *cough* landlady.
The personality that you describe does kind of fit.

Personally I prefer MC's which are a bit older, around 30-40. At that age, it's much more natural to be confident.

 

[Tanwise]

Maybe it is due to the fact that many games choose the premise of a 18 y.o. virgin boy who lives with his *cough* landlady.
The personality that you describe does kind of fit.

Personally I prefer MC's which are a bit older, around 30-40. At that age, it's much more natural to be confident.

Hmm, ok, I can respect that point of view. Except, that nearly every single game with that "18 year old virgin doormat" scenario I've come across has the same character persona. So much so, that it's like nearly every developer decided to clone all the other developers.

On top of that add the insults from the NPC's, in particular the women who are close to the MC, and it becomes an insufferable experience.

As for the MC's who are around 30-40, yeah, their personalities do tend to have more confidence. But unfortunately a lot of those MC characters, still have the habit of deferring to someone else's expertise, in some case a 20ish year old person. That seems to be there only for that reason. It really gets annoying when said scenario is unnatural. It's like the MC is saying, that's an easy answer, but I'll defer to this other person who's here just for this reason.

With that being said, those games with older MC's DO also have NPC's around them that show a LOT more respect to the MC and the MC does usually have far more confidence then those with the 18 year old MC.

I still find it really disturbing though that people play games were the NPC and at times even the MC itself, insults and walks over the MC, or in the MC's case, lets themselves be walked over.

I'd like to see more games that break those habits and leave out all the unnecessary and pointless twists.

Oh and a game I'd really like to see, would be were the 18 year old MC, (or the 30-40 year old MC) has the ladies around him who show actual great fondness and care about the MC when it comes to the build up and sex. I'm refering to little things like the ladies seeing the MC and getting excited and wanting a hug, cuddle, or otherwise. Instead of being shown at a distance with an expression that's either to serious or anything other than happy to see the MC.

 

[215303j]

Oh and a game I'd really like to see, would be were the 18 year old MC, (or the 30-40 year old MC) has the ladies around him who show actual great fondness and care about the MC when it comes to the build up and sex. I'm refering to little things like the ladies seeing the MC and getting excited and wanting a hug, cuddle, or otherwise. Instead of being shown at a distance with an expression that's either to serious or anything other than happy to see the MC.

Try https://f95zone.to/threads/wvm-day-1-5-v0-5-2-2-braindrop.35910/
It sounds right up your alley!

Personally though (although WVM is a great game) I do find the MC a bit too perfect (even when he does things that are kinda out of character like fucking random strangers) and his life a bit too easy.

I prefer a bit more realism, which means that the MC also encounters problems and rivals.
Like the MC of https://f95zone.to/threads/our-fate-a-new-family-v0-15-se-cedsense.7220/

 

[Tanwise]

Try https://f95zone.to/threads/wvm-day-1-5-v0-5-2-2-braindrop.35910/
It sounds right up your alley!

Personally though (although WVM is a great game) I do find the MC a bit too perfect (even when he does things that are kinda out of character like fucking random strangers) and his life a bit too easy.

I prefer a bit more realism, which means that the MC also encounters problems and rivals.
Like the MC of https://f95zone.to/threads/our-fate-a-new-family-v0-15-se-cedsense.7220/

Thank you for the recommendations, Thialf! I had only just noticed that WVM game but hadn't really given it much thought. Considering my annoyance with other types of games, this game with an MC that, as you put it, "a bit too perfect", might be just the type of game I need to have some fun. At least, that's my hope at the moment, lol.

I'm also going to try out the other game you recommended. I don't mind a game where an MC has his own share of problems and rivals, as you put it. My annoyances in part are when everyone in the game and even the MC himself, considers him to be the problem or at least the low rung on the ladder...that sort of thing.

So anyway, thank you! I'm going to try out these two games right now!

:EDIT: I just looked at the second link, the "Our Fate" game, and based one the characters in the images. I think I've played that one before! Not just that but if it is the one I'm thinking, it's, in my opinion, one of the BEST on this site! The main characters, truly appear to have a real bond that gets stronger and more intimated as the game progresses. It's a shame it's been on hold for so long though.

 

[215303j]

So anyway, thank you! I'm going to try out these two games right now!

You're welcome!
If you add https://f95zone.to/threads/retrieving-the-past-s03e01-mrknobb.13009/
Then you are set for the Christmas holidays!

 

[kytee]

WVM's MC is way too perfect it's kinda annoying. How can I relate to an absolute perfect human being who is good at everything with no flaws and has praise showered at him at every turn? If it wasn't for the constant supply of tits and pussy distracting you at every turn, I wouldn't be able to get through the game.

 

[ThunderRob]

MC in High Rise Climb...shoutout to the little games not enough folks play

 

[Deleted member 805449]

WVM's MC is way too perfect it's kinda annoying. How can I relate to an absolute perfect human being who is good at everything with no flaws and has praise showered at him at every turn? If it wasn't for the constant supply of tits and pussy distracting you at every turn, I wouldn't be able to get through the game.

Considering how most protagonists are losers who contribute little to society and are overall horrible people, that is kind of refreshing.

That being said, MC from Where The Heart Is is also not a complete moron.

 

[dacris69]

Mc from Drawing my life

 

[Robin_Scales]

Simon from the Last Sovereign, and it's not even close.
Dude is as rational as it gets, always plans 5 steps ahead and listens to his advisors/girls on all matters.
He knows economics, statecraft, warfare, combat and philosophy. And if he doesn't know something, his first instinct is learning.

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[Grape Juice]

Simon from the Last Sovereign, and it's not even close.
Dude is as rational as it gets, always plans 5 steps ahead and listens to his advisors/girls on all matters.
He knows economics, statecraft, warfare, combat and philosophy. And if he doesn't know something, his first instinct is learning.

The Last Sovereign -and to some extent other games by SierraLee- are pretty much the only porn-games that i consider actual capital "g" Games. everything else i played until now is just... porn. TLS is art.