Why does developers use the same mc in most games?
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Players can only self-insert if the mc is a loser with no personality beyond being a pervert.
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In my opinion, it's for marketing. Many people like a character with that physique (I saw a poll in a thread on this site), and perhaps the developers prefer to create a game that can appeal to as many people as possible.
1. There is a certain appeal where the male MC is physically smaller/shorter than than (some) female LIs, as it makes the conquest a little sweeter.
2. As for "pervert": developers add the fetishes they want to add in games.
3. And a general comment: the vast majority of developers are amateurs who are expected (usually in their first game) to create great art, write great story, code stable code and keep transparent release schedules, usually for free. Some developers are unable to keep all of the aforementioned balls in the air at the same time.
2. As for "pervert": developers add the fetishes they want to add in games.
3. And a general comment: the vast majority of developers are amateurs who are expected (usually in their first game) to create great art, write great story, code stable code and keep transparent release schedules, usually for free. Some developers are unable to keep all of the aforementioned balls in the air at the same time.
It's an interesting topic, considering that a good lot of male protagonist in recent years are most always middle aged though guy with a heart of gold such as Arthur Morgan( rdr2) , Snake (mg), Joel (tlou) and so so many more,
I'd be so bold as to assume it's some sort of self projection of insecurities in regard of a vulnerable subject such as sexuality, and the capacity to overcome them...
or maybe it's just an influence of japanese eroge where the mc is systematically a miserable little man, and THEY (the eroge writers) would be the ones projecting insecurities, and western devs are just copying.
I'd be so bold as to assume it's some sort of self projection of insecurities in regard of a vulnerable subject such as sexuality, and the capacity to overcome them...
or maybe it's just an influence of japanese eroge where the mc is systematically a miserable little man, and THEY (the eroge writers) would be the ones projecting insecurities, and western devs are just copying.
when mc doesn't force opinions on you, people complain why is he always so bland.
when mc is a bodybuilding millionaire ex-seal people complain why is he always such a massive douche.
when mc is a rapist people complain why is he a rapist.
when mc is a nice guy people complain why is he always such a pussy.
there's just no winning with people.
when mc is a bodybuilding millionaire ex-seal people complain why is he always such a massive douche.
when mc is a rapist people complain why is he a rapist.
when mc is a nice guy people complain why is he always such a pussy.
there's just no winning with people.
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having very mild customisation would be a good feature for renpy games, but devs are too lazy to implement
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Yes, Devs are lazy.
For each customization of a look, we would have to make a new character for the MC.
So let us say you can change body type, with 3 choices. Then you can change hair style with 3 choices. Then hair color, again 3 choices. Dick size, 3 more choices. So that comes out to 81 different combinations, give or take.
Our last update was around 2000 renders. Let us say only half of those had the MC (which isn't true, but just for argument sake) That would translate to 81,000 renders needed to have each choice of customized MC. For some of those I could spot render the MC into the scene, which takes a bit less time to render. Where a scene usually takes around 10-30 minutes to render, this might cut that down to 2-3 minutes for just the MC to be spot rendered. But of course for any sex scenes, I would also have to repose the MC as his body has changed, and to get him in the correct position which for sex scenes is necessary.
On average I can do around 10 renders a day. This includes posing, setting up the scene, etc. But let's double that, just to account for spot rendering.
81,000/20=4050 days to complete an update. So roughly 9 years to complete an update.
Fuck, you are right! I am one lazy son of a bitch! I will get right on making these customizations happen!
Don't take that as a personnal attack as I don't know you and I don't know your work, I speak in general.
I would argue that poor decision making isn't an excuse for the lack of option and content, unless you're making a game about a very specific character that have a determined look, adding some customisation option should be possible and thought into the process of making the game right from the start, and in a way to do things that allow that to happen.
a simple process for clothing is often to have a character in a determined pose and have overlaping layers of clothing that the player can chose to add, or to have specific clothing bound to events.
It's not a sign of inteligence to make complicated things.
I would argue that poor decision making isn't an excuse for the lack of option and content, unless you're making a game about a very specific character that have a determined look, adding some customisation option should be possible and thought into the process of making the game right from the start, and in a way to do things that allow that to happen.
a simple process for clothing is often to have a character in a determined pose and have overlaping layers of clothing that the player can chose to add, or to have specific clothing bound to events.
It's not a sign of inteligence to make complicated things.
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Making the choices for customization isn't difficult. That isn't the point. If the game uses sprites, that is easy to do and less time consuming.
If, however, scenes are rendered completely as an image, with interactions between the players, it becomes more time consuming. If my character has 3 different clothing options in a scene. And that scene has 30 renders. The scene has now become 90 renders. So you just tripled the time to render the scene. I can actually see doing this for some scenes, where it would make sense to do so. But if you are talking for an entire game, then it becomes a burden with little reward other than a player may feel he gets the choice, when in reality, 90% of players could care less or would never even notice.
I am talking DAZ here, which is what I work in.
That's how you work, it doesn't mean it's the most efficient way to do things and it's impossible to do differently, again it's not an offense, I perfectly understand your point and you're totally right.
I'm playing the devil's advocate here but there's what players can expect with the type of game they put their hands on, if it's a visual novel (in the strict definition of what a visual novel is) then no they shouldn't expect customization.
but IF I play an RPG, than I would expect some degree of customization, as I'm playing the character, I make the decision.
and once again, determined by what type of game you're making you have to think of ways to DO things and make it happens in an efficient way.
nobody in the world in their right mind would ask you to add customization to your game mid-way in development, I really don't think this specific subject apply to you and your game.
I'm playing the devil's advocate here but there's what players can expect with the type of game they put their hands on, if it's a visual novel (in the strict definition of what a visual novel is) then no they shouldn't expect customization.
but IF I play an RPG, than I would expect some degree of customization, as I'm playing the character, I make the decision.
and once again, determined by what type of game you're making you have to think of ways to DO things and make it happens in an efficient way.
nobody in the world in their right mind would ask you to add customization to your game mid-way in development, I really don't think this specific subject apply to you and your game.
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If you are playing an RPG game, made in a platform for that type game, using sprites, I would agree with you.
However,
This is the post I was responding to initially. It specifies Renpy games, which are, for the most part, VN's, not RPG's.
I'm not gonna endlessly debate with you as I don't fundamentally disagree, but the game engine and what you do with it as nothing to do with the content, for exemple Raven's quest or princess trainer gold.
The post you're refering to wasn't very well phrased and shouldn't have been specific to ren'py games. but then again you're not the one ren'py game jesus that stand for everyone, again I don't think it's addressed to you specifically.
The post you're refering to wasn't very well phrased and shouldn't have been specific to ren'py games. but then again you're not the one ren'py game jesus that stand for everyone, again I don't think it's addressed to you specifically.
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And I was only responding to the Devs are lazy part of that post, and showing that laziness is not the key factor in not having customization choices for the characters in a renpy game. I was not commenting on the general thread about MC's all being the same. Didn't plan on having a debate with you in the first place, so we are all good.
More than that.
1. Good artist(2d, 3d, painting, composition, framing).
2. Good writer(concept, tempo, characters growth, etc).
3. Good sound producer(sfx, ambient, appropriate music).
4. Good gameplay programmer(concept of gameplay, gameplay loop, balance).
5. Good programmer(engine, perfomance, UI, quality of life, etc).
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Easier to write, easier to insert fetishes into, and easier for the player to self-insert into. It works and as long as people don't mind it it'll continue to be used.
Thats completely unfeasible unless you make a 3D game.
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Because it works and that's what most people are interested in. Unless your game is text-based or has customizable 3D-models, having customizable characters means creating new assets designed for that character, and any additional content will have to be reflected on all other characters pickable. Even in a text game, all scenes where the customizations can change parts of the scene will have to have variations written for the.
Most players (at least what I've seen in the era games scene) also pick the default adult male because most content is designed with a generic adult male PC.
Most players (at least what I've seen in the era games scene) also pick the default adult male because most content is designed with a generic adult male PC.