Why is netori as rare as it is?

[suprisedcrankyface]

I read none of what you cherry picked from what you said as negative, because they weren't negative..which is why you cherry picked them.



The above is what I read as negative and the source of your insecurity, because it is negative and the source of your insecurity. It is also objectively incorrect since the very point of netori is that you turn the husband (or wife if FMC) into the side piece.

You talk of 'cherry picking' then grab a SINGLE sentence and try straw man argument it. A side piece is still a piece. Just cos you are eating 90% of the pie doesn't mean someone else isn't eating the remaining 10% of the pie. There might be a huge distinction in your mind, but to most there isn't, hence

it is a niche subcategory that is either overshadowed by its more popular cousin or de-prioritized and incidental to other other aspects of a game.

 

[tanstaafl]

You talk of 'cherry picking' then grab a SINGLE sentence and try straw man argument it. A side piece is still a piece. Just cos you are eating 90% of the pie doesn't mean someone else isn't eating the remaining 10% of the pie. There might be a huge distinction in your mind, but to most there isn't, hence

Ah, I see the source of our contention. You can't accept a woman being with anyone other than the MC without actually shitting a brick. This, obviously, precludes any chance of you actually looking at any of the ntr brands as anything but negative in your "objective" descriptions. I understand and will duly disregard anything you have to say in the future along this line of thought.

This is obviously due to the question being aimed more at people who don't soil themselves at the thought of ntr of any kind.

Edit: For clarity, to put this in a way that you'll understand: You giving an objective opinion on this topic is like a vegan giving their objective opinion on what kind of steak they prefer.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Ah, I see the source of our contention. You can't accept a woman being with anyone other than the MC without actually shitting a brick. This, obviously, precludes any chance of you actually looking at any of the ntr brands as anything but negative in your "objective" descriptions. I understand and will duly disregard anything you have to say in the future along this line of thought.

This is obviously due to the question being aimed more at people who don't soil themselves at the thought of ntr of any kind.

Edit: For clarity, to put this in a way that you'll understand: You giving an objective opinion on this topic is like a vegan giving their objective opinion on what kind of steak they prefer.

You really love projecting don't you.

To use your analogy - you have asked why people don't eat more steak. Someone states many people prefer a balanced diet, you throw a tantrum and attack them for hating steak.

TO explain it further-

Main NTR categories that are generally the primary focus of the game
-Netorare: Unwilling cuck
-Netorase: Willing cuck

Something that is generally NOT the main focus of the game but is literally in 100's of games on this site as an incidental activity
-Netori: MC does the cucking

Let me explain this in another way to you....

I Love James Bond movies, particularly the older ones. I love James bond as a character. A chunk of these movies consists of him being so awesome and charismatic that he often seduces the 'bad guys' attractive partner. The point of the movie however is to stop the bad guys plans, not get with their partner. There are MANY games like this here.

It all comes down to perspective, MC is just a controllable character at the end of the day, so if a game focuses heavily on that aspect whether the MC is cucking or being cucked, the game is still about cucking (so people will play an NTR games focused on that from category 1 & 2).

 

[tanstaafl]

I understand and will duly disregard anything you have to say in the future along this line of thought.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

I understand and will duly disregard anything you have to say in the future along this line of thought.

So... let me get this right

1. You asked a question
2. have a persecution complex about the answers so begin to project onto that person, and argue against your own assumptions and points in your own head rather than what they are saying
3. Refuse to read anything further so you can pretend you are right

Just had to do a quick double check to make sure this wasn't reddit

EDIT: well rage quitting the conversation seems to be the closest we will get to you admitting you are wrong, so I will take it

 

[seifukulover]

If I've learned one thing from my time on f95zone it's that most people here are masochists who like losing their girls (netorare). So of course its opposite, being a winner where you gain a girl (netori) would be unpopular

 

[tanstaafl]

If I've learned one thing from my time on f95zone it's that most people here are masochists who like losing their girls (netorare). So of course its opposite, being a winner where you gain a girl (netori) would be unpopular

Total netorare games:
Total non-netorare games:

Where are you getting most?

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

If I've learned one thing from my time on f95zone it's that most people here are masochists who like losing their girls (netorare). So of course its opposite, being a winner where you gain a girl (netori) would be unpopular

Save your time & sanity, OP isn't asking for anyone to discuss or answer, they are just looking to aggressively pick arguments...

Edit: Unless you want to prove your own point masochist point by engaging with someone like that haha

 

[tanstaafl]

Save your time & sanity, OP isn't asking for anyone to discuss or answer, they are just looking to aggressively pick arguments...

Edit: Unless you want to prove your own point masochist point by engaging with someone like that haha

As I said, just you.

 

[desmosome]

Netori (A male perspective power fantasy), as a genre, has a blend of actual netori fans and the much broader harem enjoyers. And that is the reality of it. By and large, the average harem enjoyer are gonna look for a relatable MC to live out their fantasies. They want to be a good guy, they want to be handsome, they want to be a chad, they want to be loved. So the deviant nature of stealing a happily married woman is rarely the focus. It's usually framed in a way where MC is saving a girl from a shitty marriage or abusive relationship. The MC isn't corrupting anything. It's usually just a harem plot, which makes sense since the harem fanbase is much larger.

In truth, it's this appeal to the harem crowd that prevents netori from really coming to its own. The netori MC should be a complete deviant—basically the NTR antagonist with a massive cock that corrupts women and makes them fall. I mean, that is the fetish, isn't it? You want to play the non-repentant asshole that corrupts and steals the women who is happily married. Look at some of Black Lilith games like Ochiru Hitozuma or Kangoku Senkan. Now that is peak netori.

Those games don't feature much of actual cucking, but your assumption that netori is primarily about the act of fucking a woman in front of their husband or something is wrong. Netori is a mix of male power fantasy and female corruption, whereas netorare is a mix of cuckoldry fantasy and female corruption. In both cases, it's the corruption of the female that is the significant aspect of the existing relationship, not the male that is getting cucked.

But you are certainly correct that whether we take your criteria or mine, netori is still extremely underrepresented. When devs sit down to make netori games, they inevitably end up trying to appealing to the harem crowd (or even romance crowd if it's single LI netori). Basically, they want a good guy MC. And by the end, it actually just is a harem game with minor netori aspects.

 

[woody554]

I think it's just one of those cases like dead dads in m/s incest games, where it requires creating and working on additional non-fuckable characters for zero more pussy. it's a better story of course, sneaking behind someone's back, but you can always just as well cut the third character and still get the same girl.

so unless you're REALLY into that cheating aspect, it's unnecessary work for people who probably won't survive the workload even without it.

 

[Rafster]

Edit: Unless you want to prove your own point masochist point by engaging with someone like that haha

As I said, just you.

Get a room, you two.

 

[Letstryitout]

the average harem enjoyer are gonna look for a relatable MC to live out their fantasies. They want to be a good guy, they want to be handsome, they want to be a chad, they want to be loved.

Sir, that part wasn't necessary. It's quite rude.

 

[MissCougar]

I think it's just one of those cases like dead dads in m/s incest games, where it requires creating and working on additional non-fuckable characters for zero more pussy. it's a better story of course, sneaking behind someone's back, but you can always just as well cut the third character and still get the same girl.

so unless you're REALLY into that cheating aspect, it's unnecessary work for people who probably won't survive the workload even without it.

This is usually how it goes.

Some non-fleshed out character is the female targets love interest like a boyfriend or husband, and is mentioned but that's about the jist of it.

This person exists simply to make this particular fetish work, but you don't ever know how good or bad he is or why they are in this situation, it's just kind of a lay up to the female getting boned by new love interest man. Sometimes they go for a paragraph of "months later, she is pregnant and served former man divorce papers/left him and now lives happily with new love interest"

This whole trope is a popular thing. Might just still be getting its feet wet in video games thanks to cellphones and AI art. Be prepared to be inundated!

 

[tanstaafl]

In truth, it's this appeal to the harem crowd that prevents netori from really coming to its own. The netori MC should be a complete deviant—basically the NTR antagonist with a massive cock that corrupts women and makes them fall. I mean, that is the fetish, isn't it? You want to play the non-repentant asshole that corrupts and steals the women who is happily married. Look at some of Black Lilith games like Ochiru Hitozuma or Kangoku Senkan. Now that is peak netori.

True, but as I said earlier in the thread, there are more than enough story options to add these aspects and not make the harem lovers feel bad about themselves. It just takes a bit more thought and work, and therein lies the problem probably.

Those games don't feature much of actual cucking, but your assumption that netori is primarily about the act of fucking a woman in front of their husband or something is wrong. Netori is a mix of male power fantasy and female corruption, whereas netorare is a mix of cuckoldry fantasy and female corruption. In both cases, it's the corruption of the female that is the significant aspect of the existing relationship, not the male that is getting cucked.

I have to disagree. Without the cucking aspect it's just cheating. I will say that they don't have to be forced to watch, just the knowledge along with the inability to do anything about it would be enough to elevate it to netori, or at least closer to it.

I think it's just one of those cases like dead dads in m/s incest games, where it requires creating and working on additional non-fuckable characters for zero more pussy. it's a better story of course, sneaking behind someone's back, but you can always just as well cut the third character and still get the same girl.

I hate to think that it's just laziness, but, yeah.

 

[desmosome]

I have to disagree. Without the cucking aspect it's just cheating. I will say that they don't have to be forced to watch, just the knowledge along with the inability to do anything about it would be enough to elevate it to netori, or at least closer to it.

And if the guy only learns about it at the end, in the climax of the story after you spend the whole game corrupting the girl? Is that just cheating or netori?

 

[Letstryitout]

Netorare doesn't need to have cheating, it basically means taken away/stolen away. There is no need for an established relationship. So same deal is the case for Netori, tho majority of NTR content doesn't show the one who is getting cucked as much, sometimes they just appear as a flavor in first parts to make it NTR and doesn't appear after that. EG: most of the Rocket Monkey doujins.

 

[HornyMonsterGirlEnjoyer]

I'm gonna try to tackle the whole not as many netori games deal. I think because people on here tend to get bent out of shape about any form of NTR they just avoid all forms of it. I enjoy netori but no other types of NTR. When I play h games I like to feel powerful/in control. Every form of NTR takes control or power from someone. But that's just my opinion. I think the reason netori isn't as popular in terms of h games because a lot of people don't want to be cucks and they see NTR and otherwise disregard the game because they assume they get cucked. I assume this might discourage some devs from attempting any form of NTR.

 

[tanstaafl]

And if the guy only learns about it at the end, in the climax of the story after you spend the whole game corrupting the girl? Is that just cheating or netori?

If there's only one LI and the game is the act of seducing/corrupting the that one, then yeah, doesn't matter if it's at the end.

It doesn't have to happen right away, this is why I still consider Away from Home mostly a cheating game so far rather than netori like so many others, but it isn't done yet. You've only cucked one dude so far out of however many, but the opportunity is still there for all the other guys to find out what you've been doing.

 

[tanstaafl]

I'm gonna try to tackle the whole not as many netori games deal. I think because people on here tend to get bent out of shape about any form of NTR they just avoid all forms of it. I enjoy netori but no other types of NTR. When I play h games I like to feel powerful/in control. Every form of NTR takes control or power from someone. But that's just my opinion. I think the reason netori isn't as popular in terms of h games because a lot of people don't want to be cucks and they see NTR and otherwise disregard the game because they assume they get cucked. I assume this might discourage some devs from attempting any form of NTR.

That's entirely possible, just the ignorance of what the term means and "being safe" by avoiding it. I don't think it quite explains the glut, but it could be a part of it.