why patreon forbid incest and rape (which are exist in movies and tv)
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If that's the argument, that's really weak. A movie can definitely pretend to be ''commenting'' on something when it's really exploiting it for titilation.
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It's not Patreon, it's the credit card companies influencing on PayPal, which then forces Patreon to abide by their rules. It's unfortunate, as that also means that you can't really do much about it if you want to get money through PayPal or even credit cards. PayPal gets forced to to shit way more than you'd think, I know a few cases where they closed peoples accounts for purchasing more right wing merchandise, but if you really want to know, it all comes back to the money. That is, the amount of it. People go to Patreon to try and start getting money for developing their games. You get from a few hundred bucks to over 30k (SS, for example). That may sound a lot, but it's nowhere near the amount of money movies make. If you have enough money, you can change the rules, but when it comes to free (or cheaper) content, you don't stand a chance with incest, neither as a game developer nor a porn video website that wants to make money (not from videos themselves, but from webcam and merch stuff).
You can avoid the whole Patreon shit telling you what you can and can't do, though, by using Patreon as a tipping jar. You have your own website and have nothing linking your Patreon to the content you're making, so people "tip" you, instead of buying your content through Patreon. I think Shadman has it that way and he draws plenty enough of loli, rape, incest, bestiality and similar, yet he's left alone. I've seen some game devs (like IA) take similar approach, they distanced themselves completely from Patreon and have nothing connecting their website (where they drop the updates) and Patreon (where people can simply give them money).
You can avoid the whole Patreon shit telling you what you can and can't do, though, by using Patreon as a tipping jar. You have your own website and have nothing linking your Patreon to the content you're making, so people "tip" you, instead of buying your content through Patreon. I think Shadman has it that way and he draws plenty enough of loli, rape, incest, bestiality and similar, yet he's left alone. I've seen some game devs (like IA) take similar approach, they distanced themselves completely from Patreon and have nothing connecting their website (where they drop the updates) and Patreon (where people can simply give them money).
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They certainly can, and a businessman might think it's better to distance himself from it, just like Patreon/Paypal are doing.
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Simple, TV and movies aren't funded by Paypal and they don't want anything to do with that kind of content.
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And they still can be censored and/or the author prosecuted because of this.
You can talk about a subject which is illegal, you can depict it. It can even be the central part of your creation, but you can't make an apologia for it. And here come the problem for games. Rape/incest/whatever isn't just some part of the background, they are the central part of the story. And, more problematic, you aren't just seeing the action, as player you are part of it ; you are the one who start the rape, you are the one who decide to have an incestuous relationship. Because of this, the limit between representation and apologia become really thin.
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Tagging a mod because there are several threads that discuss this already. No need for yet another.
Short answer. They actually don't ban incest in the context of softcore content, like Game of Thrones, which is explicitly mentioned in their guidelines. It is in the context of hardcore pornography that it's banned. Which like it or not contains all the games we play.
Tagging a mod because there are several threads that discuss this already. No need for yet another.
Short answer. They actually don't ban incest in the context of softcore content, like Game of Thrones, which is explicitly mentioned in their guidelines. It is in the context of hardcore pornography that it's banned. Which like it or not contains all the games we play.
It's about Money... seeings as most movie's are made in the ol' US of A where money is king, you can see how money is major factor. I am not sure how Patreon get's their revenue, so i am only guessing it's not as much as movies. Hands exchange money in different boardrooms under table's across the world so money is king. At least that is my cynical take on it.
For me is how parents allow their kids under age play Medal of Honor or GTA but as soon as there is a female nipple then it's a big problem. That is weird.
For me is how parents allow their kids under age play Medal of Honor or GTA but as soon as there is a female nipple then it's a big problem. That is weird.
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I don't know about the exact reasons for Patreon, but many countries don't recognize games as art, while they do recognize movies, tv shows, books and comics. The recognition as art gives movies a greater degree of freedom compared to games. Maybe Patreon or Paypal are therefore more careful, when it comes to games.
There was some controversy about Wolfenstein II in Germany. The orginal version of the game is banned there for displaying swastikas, while movies like Iron Sky and Inglorious Basterds are available. Movies are protected by the freedom of arts, while games are not.
There was some controversy about Wolfenstein II in Germany. The orginal version of the game is banned there for displaying swastikas, while movies like Iron Sky and Inglorious Basterds are available. Movies are protected by the freedom of arts, while games are not.
There's much more to it then Patreon or Paypal. whats at odds is US and State laws + Visa and Mastercard policy and Banking institutions in the US. There are ways of making it work with a dozen or so lawyers. High-Risk payment providers and Hosting a website offshore
Political Correctness, not in the form of the people demanding it, but in the form of the corporations being afraid they will, is the cause of this kind of stuff.
Because it's a far left platform.
They always contradict themselves. See Twitter that frequently blocks anyone with a a political backround to the right of Mao yet allowing legit terrorists like Assad to still own an account.
If enough people bitch about something, they will take action, no matter if it contradicts itself based on what is deemed acceptable on their platform.
P.S - I'm not making a political statement and i'm not arguing from either side of the aisle. I just genuinely think this is the case and most liberal intellectuals say the same (Sam Harris for example). This is a legit problem with radical leftism taking over outlets like Twitter/Facebook/Youtube and more relative to us, Patreon. So don't bother misrepresenting my post as an "attack on all leftists/liberals", because it's not.
They always contradict themselves. See Twitter that frequently blocks anyone with a a political backround to the right of Mao yet allowing legit terrorists like Assad to still own an account.
If enough people bitch about something, they will take action, no matter if it contradicts itself based on what is deemed acceptable on their platform.
P.S - I'm not making a political statement and i'm not arguing from either side of the aisle. I just genuinely think this is the case and most liberal intellectuals say the same (Sam Harris for example). This is a legit problem with radical leftism taking over outlets like Twitter/Facebook/Youtube and more relative to us, Patreon. So don't bother misrepresenting my post as an "attack on all leftists/liberals", because it's not.
Getting back to topic, rape is nothing to be applaud or used as an enticing entertainment factor. Incest is just taboo but i can see why it could be appealing or happen in real life even.
Would you agree?
Would you agree?
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For Germany it's yet another problem. In their Law, video games are seen as toys, so something targeting children. And for obvious reasons, when it come to toys, they ban anything related to the nazi period.
For most of the other countries, video games are entertainment, which give them some freedom but, like you said, not as much as for art.
Are you asking me if I would agree?
I think any fetish goes when it comes to digital entertainment (cartoons/Daz3D etc). So if you like shit that I generally think is disgusting (futa/loli/rape/murder/beastiality etc), then more power to you. Obviously the same wouldn't apply to real life porn because well, that's real life.
So yea, as far as fictional shit is concerned, literally anything and everything goes in my book. I'm of the mind as long as nobody is getting hurt, then I don't see why somebody shouldn't fap to the sickest shit that they can imagine. When you start policing fetishes just because you think it's morally wrong, then you start opening some doors that should never be opened as far as censorship and biases are concerned.
Can't start cherry picking fetishes based on the offence level as that is typically subjective and it opens a door to anything even remotely taboo as being immoral (even sex outside of marriage to some people). Everyone has different moral compases and everyone thinks certain things are more sick than others (Rape more evil than outright murder, etc). There is no universal standard so nobody should act like there is by banning some things and giving others a pass.
I mean, why is rape your cut off point as far as fictional "entertainment" is concerned? Should games that glorify murder be banned (GTA)? Why is rape the cut off point exactly?
TL;DR - If it's fictional then fap away friend.
I feel you dawg...
Would you not say your human compass would guide you when playing games? or is that what you would call a fetish, what applies to one will not apply to another?
Would you not say your human compass would guide you when playing games? or is that what you would call a fetish, what applies to one will not apply to another?
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Games are not defined as toys, but they are not explicitly defined as art in Germany either. Because of that, they don't get an exception from German anti nazi laws. Displaying a swastika in a game is basically the same as displaying a swastika on your homepage (up to 5 years jail). Movies are considered art, therefore movies like Inglorious Basterds get an exception. Austrian anti-nazi laws are slightly different from German ones, as they take intention into account - displaying nazi stuff is only illegal, if it's actually meant to promote nazi ideology or deny the holocaust - meaning Wolfenstein II is legal here, though it's not available in retail, while actual nazi propaganda, like performing a nazi salute in public is illegal in both countries.
I would say someone's moral compass might not necessarily be in line with what their fetish is and(or) what they seek entertainment out of.
I enjoy going on murder sprees in GTA for example, but I obviously find real murder reprehensible in real life.
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I after some search, apparently they still fall under the youth protection law (Jugendschutzgesetz). And all I can found regarding art is the acceptation of the video game developers federation inside the cultural council, but nothing regarding Law
So, if you have some links (er, not in German please), so I can update my knowledge.